Canon EOS M Vanishes from Canon USA Web Site

[c.d.embrey]

Tiny camera in jean pocket, but it requires a luggage of speedlite to shoot. Umm.... :

In my experience, you are the first to call a Profoto Studio Strobe a speedlight If you want the ON CAMERA speedlight look (think Terry Richardson) the iPhone already has a built-in flash For those paid jobs that require Studio Strobes you will no longer have to deal with bulky Pocket Wizards

Seriously, modern battery powered Studio Strobes are small and light. The Profoto B1 is a 500ws battery powered monolight that weighs less than 7 pounds. It even works with Canon TTL.

 

[privatebydesign]

Tiny camera in jean pocket, but it requires a luggage of speedlite to shoot. Umm.... :

In my experience, you are the first to call a Profoto Studio Strobe a speedlight If you want the ON CAMERA speedlight look (think Terry Richardson) the iPhone already has a built-in flash For those paid jobs that require Studio Strobes you will no longer have to deal with bulky Pocket Wizards

Seriously, modern battery powered Studio Strobes are small and light. The Profoto B1 is a 500ws battery powered monolight that weighs less than 7 pounds. It even works with Canon TTL.

And in fairness even Profoto call the B1 an "off camera flash" not a strobe.

 

[BiscottiGelato]

Dual pixel AF system in the next EOS M = winning product.
My ha'penny worth.

I hope this comes true. I love my little M, yesterday was my daughter's school play and when it came time to leave I chose the M with 18-55stm over the 5d3 and I am glad I did.

I would pre-order the EOS M with dual pixel! That way I can send my M out to be converted to infrared.

You should try the Fuji or the EM-1. Yes it's pricey compared to the EOS-M, but you get the size with much better performance

 

[BiscottiGelato]

A crop sensor mirrorless is not going to threaten the success of the Full Frame Sony a7.

I totally agree!

That's why I will never pay ludicrous amounts for APS-C sensored mirrorless cameras and lenses that can only handle APS-C imaging circle [like Fuji X-stuff] but will rather wait for the next generation mirrorless FF camera ... as compact as the A7 ... and even more "competent" as a relly universal photographic tool.

Specifically: better AF [fully tracking-capable], fully electronic shutter [absolutely silent, 100% vibration-free], better battery charge [500+ shots] and user interface/ergonomics like a Canon EOS ... with thumb-wheel, back-button AF and mode dial with AvTvM plus 3 custom positions and WiFI and a Canon RT-flash controller built in ... now that I have finally splurged on 600EX-RTs

I think you don't want to hold your breathe on a mirrorless FF. It'll be an extreme niche with very poor lens line-up and support.

Read the previous arguments on smaller side sensor replacing FF and FF going the way Medium Formats have gone today.

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

 

[Loswr]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

When it comes to sensors, bigger is better. I guess physics is scary to some people.

Granted, smaller might be good enough, depending on the application/output.

 

[bdunbar79]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

When it comes to sensors, bigger is better. I guess physics is scary to some people.

Granted, smaller might be good enough, depending on the application/output.

Physics is scary.

 

[privatebydesign]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

It is mind boggling how some people are so easily led to the next great "new" thing. The overwhelming reality for me, and the reason I can't see me ever moving from 135 format, is lens choice. I use everything from 15mm -300mm f2.8 primes, I use 17 TS-E's, I use IS macros, I use f1.4 primes that actually give me subject isolation, my smallest print is 16" x 24" and whilst crop cameras can do that, they can't do it in the same number of shooting situations a ff camera can, I need a camera that can cover everything I cover, no mirrorless crop sensor system comes close, not in the same league, as a FF camera system.

If mirrorless works for you, all power to you, but don't try and tell me it could/should/would work for me, it is nowhere near working for me.

Funnily enough I actually looked at the X100s last year as an idea for a travel and backup camera. I got an EOS-M, as a backup it works way better as I am already carrying the lenses and it works natively with my flashes. As a travel camera, the thing is nothing but fun and I don't care if it is lost, stolen, or damaged. As for price, well $299 with a lens vs $1,299 for virtually the same IQ, WTF!

 

[sdsr]

Has the inertia factor been discussed at all? The heavier the body and lens are, the more resistant to movement/torque they are. Our are we assuming in this dystopian future the camera fully adjusts for all hand shake and movement?

You may have a point. I read somewhere recently about a pro photographer whose solution to the Sony A7r shutter-shock problem was to attach a 24oz metal plate to it! (I'm not in the least bit tempted to emulate this....)

On the other hand, the current Olympus OM-D IBIS & light lens combinations seem to combat this very well - perhaps they have the balance right; they allow successful hand-held shooting at ridiculously low shutter speeds. It would be nice if Sony could change how the shutter in the A7r works and add IBIS to its successor (or if Canon could conjure up something similar).

 

[Dylan777]

A crop sensor mirrorless is not going to threaten the success of the Full Frame Sony a7.

I totally agree!

That's why I will never pay ludicrous amounts for APS-C sensored mirrorless cameras and lenses that can only handle APS-C imaging circle [like Fuji X-stuff] but will rather wait for the next generation mirrorless FF camera ... as compact as the A7 ... and even more "competent" as a relly universal photographic tool.

Specifically: better AF [fully tracking-capable], fully electronic shutter [absolutely silent, 100% vibration-free], better battery charge [500+ shots] and user interface/ergonomics like a Canon EOS ... with thumb-wheel, back-button AF and mode dial with AvTvM plus 3 custom positions and WiFI and a Canon RT-flash controller built in ... now that I have finally splurged on 600EX-RTs

I think you don't want to hold your breathe on a mirrorless FF. It'll be an extreme niche with very poor lens line-up and support.

Read the previous arguments on smaller side sensor replacing FF and FF going the way Medium Formats have gone today.

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

I owned x100s for 3-4 months. Yes, the body design is nice. However, without flashes, shooting in low light/indoor is a challenge . IQ can't be compared with FF at this moment.

 

[c.d.embrey]

And in fairness even Profoto call the B1 an "off camera flash" not a strobe.

Off camera flash is a marketing term used to entice Strobists. Please notice that they didn't call it a speedlight even though it's TTL. Any flash that is used off camera is an off camera flash My off camera flash of choice is the Profoto Acute 600B pack and a 600B head (total weight about 12 lbs). Most of the time, for location product shots, I use it with a light weight Paul C .Buff 73 in diameter PLM. No problem to get an f/16 at 15 feet. Try that with your speedlight

 

[privatebydesign]

And in fairness even Profoto call the B1 an "off camera flash" not a strobe.

Off camera flash is a marketing term used to entice Strobists. Please notice that they didn't call it a speedlight even though it's TTL. Any flash that is used off camera is an off camera flash My off camera flash of choice is the Profoto Acute 600B pack and a 600B head (total weight about 12 lbs). Most of the time, for location product shots, I use it with a light weight Paul C .Buff 73 in diameter PLM. No problem to get an f/16 at 15 feet. Try that with your speedlight

Speedlight is Nikon specific, Speedlite is Canon specific, Profoto hope to get the CLS working on the B1 Air so calling it a Speedlight, or Speedlite, might have caused confusion and possibly trademark issues, off camera flash is pretty generic, but I thought it interesting they don't call it a strobe.

As for appealing to "strobists" well it appeals to me and depending on the 1Dx MkII rumours might well be my next heavyweight purchase. With 500Ws and TTL, important for recessionals with white dresses and differing subject distances, possible FW for HSS, and the portability, it is a winner in my book.

 

[dickgrafixstop]

Good riddance! The only good that may come out of this is Canon marketing execs realize a crippled, mediocre attempt to enter a market is never a good idea, regardless of company reputation. Now then can concentrate
on making the sl1 even smaller, introduce new lower end ef lenses, and focus on a top end competitor to Nikon and Sony full frame cameras. Maybe this lesson will also carry over to any attempts in the medium format range if Canon decides to play in that sandbox - you'd better have a strong product right out of the box.

 

[dtaylor]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

When it comes to sensors, bigger is better. I guess physics is scary to some people.

Granted, smaller might be good enough, depending on the application/output.

People over play this card. With current sensors you're not going to see a difference until about ISO 3200. And that's if you print 20". FF is amazing in low light, but the majority of images are not produced there.

 

[bdunbar79]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

When it comes to sensors, bigger is better. I guess physics is scary to some people.

Granted, smaller might be good enough, depending on the application/output.

People over play this card. With current sensors you're not going to see a difference until about ISO 3200. And that's if you print 20". FF is amazing in low light, but the majority of images are not produced there.

Apparently you don't shoot digital photography and have digital photos?

 

[jdramirez]

When I first got my mkiii shot in good light and the images were good... but they didn't blow my old 60d out of the water. But the more I used the miii, the more I appreciated it for how great it was. I screwed up some photos, but I was able to salvage the image because of the mkiii... the crop bodies are fine, but they aren't as good for grain... and saying that you don't notice until 3200 is a crock. Maybe some people don't notice... but they are wearing blinders.

 

[Loswr]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

When it comes to sensors, bigger is better. I guess physics is scary to some people.

Granted, smaller might be good enough, depending on the application/output.

People over play this card. With current sensors you're not going to see a difference until about ISO 3200. And that's if you print 20". FF is amazing in low light, but the majority of images are not produced there.

So it's a card trick. That must be why I only reluctantly raised the ISO on my 7D past 800, but will go to ISO 6400 on my 1D X with little concern.

 

[Etienne]

It's mind boggling how brainwashed people are on FF being the god all-mighty form factor. I guess change is scary to a lot of people.

When it comes to sensors, bigger is better. I guess physics is scary to some people.

Granted, smaller might be good enough, depending on the application/output.

People over play this card. With current sensors you're not going to see a difference until about ISO 3200. And that's if you print 20". FF is amazing in low light, but the majority of images are not produced there.

There's over 2 stops advantage from FF vs crop for pics. It's closer to 3 stops for video. The 5DIII video is pretty damn good even at ISO 10,000. The 60D starts to degrade over 1250. The EOS-M video is not very good at 1600, so you have to stay at 800. Magic Lantern can help things there, but larger sensors win almost every comparison, but you have to pay to play

 

[AvTvM]

There's over 2 stops advantage from FF vs crop for pics. It's closer to 3 stops for video. The 5DIII video is pretty damn good even at ISO 10,000. The 60D starts to degrade over 1250. The EOS-M video is not very good at 1600, so you have to stay at 800. Magic Lantern can help things there, but larger sensors win almost every comparison, but you have to pay to play

I agree, except on price. Rather good Ff cameras can be had at decent prices (6D, D610, A7) .. And they can be really compact too (A7/R/S). Prices will fall further, functionality will further increase.

There will be a space for smaller sensored cams for some more years (until phones and tablets have earen them completely) but those 'tweener cams (mft, aps-c) need to be even more compact and definitely way cheaper than ff gear. I am talking cameras in the 299-599 range with lenses in the sub 100 to 399 range ... Once the eos-m was in that price bracket it sold pretty well ... Even in the US and Europe.

Fuji X systems and mFT cameras will not be sucessful in price bands of 1000+ for every camera and every other lens .. As soon as the hype is over and as soon as compact ff mirrorless cameras plus matching lenses can be had at decent prices, people wil buy those rather than half- and quarter-sized sensors.

 

[bholliman]

Rather good Ff cameras can be had at decent prices (6D, D610, A7) .. And they can be really compact too (A7/R/S). Prices will fall further, functionality will further increase.

Fuji X systems and mFT cameras will not be sucessful in price bands of 1000+ for every camera and every other lens .. As soon as the hype is over and as soon as compact ff mirrorless cameras plus matching lenses can be had at decent prices, people wil buy those rather than half- and quartet-sized sensors.

+1 the Fuji APS-C and mFT systems are very nice, but can't survive much longer at their current price points. As AvTvM pointed out, there are good FF system alternatives in the same price range. APS-C's main advantages over FF are size and system price at the expense of some IQ. The APS-C size advantage is legitimate (even compact FF bodies will require large glass once you move beyond maybe 85mm) but price advantage does not exist with $1,200 bodies and $1k lenses.

As camera phones improve these high end APS-C systems will eventually disappear.

 

[garyknrd]

As camera phones improve these high end APS-C systems will eventually disappear.

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