Canon EOS R1 & Canon EOS R5 Mark II announcement coming July 17

[Michael Clark]

Is this true though? I've read more than one story about news organizations dropping Canon in favor of Sony. Aren't these agencies the exact target market for the R1?

That's more the result of the equipment decisions in those news organizations now being made by bean counters with MBAs instead of seasoned photographers who rose to Chief Photo Editor positions. Sony is practically giving their stuff away to the AP and Reuters.

 

[frankchn]

That's more the result of the equipment decisions in those news organizations now being made by bean counters with MBAs instead of seasoned photographers who rose to Chief Photo Editor positions. Sony is practically giving their stuff away to the AP and Reuters.

Be that as it may -- if the large photo and news agencies are not using Canon and buying R1s by the truckload, who are the customers of the R1?

I can't imagine many smaller news organizations will have the budget to upgrade in today's environment. Independent sports and photojournalists earning enough to buy $6k cameras out of the gate seems to be a dying breed as well. Wedding photographers are likely going with R5s and R5IIs instead of R1 and R3s.

Wealthy amateurs? Not sure they would go for the R1 over the A1 or Z8/9 if they want to get an do-everything camera -- everything from action to landscapes.

 

[Michael Clark]

The whites are fine, it is the 28-70F2 that has been most noticeable.

Are you talking about the glass or the housing?

 

[Michael Clark]

Be that as it may -- if the large photo and news agencies are not using Canon and buying R1s by the truckload, who are the customers of the R1?

I can't imagine many smaller news organizations will have the budget to upgrade in today's environment. Independent sports and photojournalists earning enough to buy $6k cameras out of the gate seems to be a dying breed as well. Wedding photographers are likely going with R5s and R5IIs instead of R1 and R3s.

Wealthy amateurs? Not sure they would go for the R1 over the A1 or Z8/9 if they want to get an do-everything camera -- everything from action to landscapes.

I'm not the one who's claiming Canon is only competing against itself with the R1...

 

[neurorx]

Are you talking about the glass or the housing?

Housing, the black parts and the metal parts connecting to the camera. They scuff and collect dirt so much more than the EF L lenses.

 

[snapshot]

What kinds of flashes are you using that can put out any appreciable amount of energy to compete with the sun in only 0.0625 milliseconds? That's only 62.5 microseconds!

Good catch, i guess my AD600Pro is only good for:1/10100 seconds, Support 1 / 8000s sync speed.

 

[David - Sydney]

Your electricity cost each month is not based on how much electricity you use?

Sure, EVs make more sense for certain types of driving patterns, much less sense for others. And yes, the energy cost per mile to charge at home is less than the cost per mile for an ICE pretty much everywhere.

But I've never lived anywhere that gave me free electricity, or even an "all you can eat" buffet at a fixed price.

You are assuming that there is a fixed price/kWh and that is not the case. It is common for there to be peak and off-peak/shoulder rates.

One of the strange quirks of the Australian electricity is that we have the highest rates of home rooftop solar in the world as there used to be great feed-in-tariffs.
This means that there is a huge surplus of electricity during the middle of the day giving rise to the Duck Curve
https://www.synergy.net.au/Blog/2021/10/Everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-Duck-Curve

Some electricity providers are actually starting to charge home rooftop for the feed-in-tariff. This will incentivise a massive personal investment in home batteries eg solar to battery at home during the day and the feed back to the grid in park evening time.

The old coal generators (when they work) are base load and can't change to differing demand. During midnight-6am, they are running but not much demand so there have been cheaper rates then as well. This prompts hot water heating and home car charging during this time and any delayed appliances like washing/drying machines. This doesn't help those who are renting (minimal benefit hence investment for owners) or living in apartments.

 

[Jethro]

This will incentivise a massive personal investment in home batteries eg solar to battery at home during the day and the feed back to the grid in park evening time.

Part of that battery capacity is likely to come from EVs themselves, as at least some can already be hooked up into the household 'grid' - to charge and then feedback. Which, given the price of external batteries, helps offset the cost of the EV itself. Battery prices will, obviously, continue to fall over the next few years anyway.

 

[David - Sydney]

Part of that battery capacity is likely to come from EVs themselves, as at least some can already be hooked up into the household 'grid' - to charge and then feedback. Which, given the price of external batteries, helps offset the cost of the EV itself. Battery prices will, obviously, continue to fall over the next few years anyway.

Vehicle to grid is in its infancy and up to the manufacturers to include as a feature. There is no benefit for them.
Vehicle to load wasn't included in the refreshed Model 3 this year unfortunately but is in the much lower selling Ioniq 6. Maybe in the refreshed Model Y at the end of the year which may move the needle as the biggest volume BEV sold globally.

That said, there will be increasing number of batteries from written off cars that will add to the market (safely) as home batteries even those that have reduced range. Then again, the lifespan of car batteries with >80% remaining capacity is taking much longer to happen than the critics have foreseen

 

[Michael Clark]

You are assuming that there is a fixed price/kWh and that is not the case. It is common for there to be peak and off-peak/shoulder rates.

Not really. I'm assuming the more kWh one uses, the more one has to pay. The cost can be less during off-peak hours and more during peak usage hours, but either way there is a cost per kWh unless one is doing 100% of the charging using solar (which carries a greater capital cost up front).

 

[koenkooi]

Not really. I'm assuming the more kWh one uses, the more one has to pay. The cost can be less during off-peak hours and more during peak usage hours, but either way there is a cost per kWh unless one is doing 100% of the charging using solar (which carries a greater capital cost up front).

Unless you start using an order of magnitude more, then you’ll start paying less. Regular consumers pay a lot more for utilities per unit than businesses, at least over here.

 

[Michael Clark]

Part of that battery capacity is likely to come from EVs themselves, as at least some can already be hooked up into the household 'grid' - to charge and then feedback. Which, given the price of external batteries, helps offset the cost of the EV itself. Battery prices will, obviously, continue to fall over the next few years anyway.

Using the car battery for storage in that way will put more charge/discharge cycles on it in the same time period and shorten its lifespan, though. It may or may not be more cost efficient to buy separate batteries. There's also the myth that the car's entire battery system must be replaced at the same time. There are a number of refurbishers who take the old full battery that has been replaced, change out the worst outliers among the individual cells, and then resell them as reconditioned batteries. If one knows how to test each cell, the worst cells can be isolated and replaced for a much lower cost than replacing the entire system.

One needs to be a DIYer for it to make sense, though, as it's a time intensive process that needs to be repeated every few months as eventually more and more cells reach end of life. But replacing the bad cells in the first quarter or so of the bell curve can double the effective life of a battery before it makes sense to replace the whole thing.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Unless you start using an order of magnitude more, then you’ll start paying less. Regular consumers pay a lot more for utilities per unit than businesses, at least over here.

That's true in the US, too. My company lab/office space is not that large (about double the floor area of my home), but the utility bill for my company is only slightly higher than what we pay at our house (despite using substantially more power for lab automation, multiple -80 °C and -30 °C freezers, much higher HVAC flow needed for lab spaces, etc.), because for the company space we're paying the fractional cost of our space as part of the total power consumption of a 45,000 square meter building.

 

[Michael Clark]

Unless you start using an order of magnitude more, then you’ll start paying less. Regular consumers pay a lot more for utilities per unit than businesses, at least over here.

You might pay less per unit, but you'll still pay more than if you weren't charging your EV and not using that additional electricity. Even if you're paying less per kWh, that lower rate only applies after you've reached each tier. It's not retroactive to the rate you'll pay on the first few hundred or thousand kWh. At least where I live, the rate for the first 500 kWh is one rate, the decrease is miniscule (0.112%) for the next 500 kWh, then the rate for anything past that is a few percentage points (6.6% compared to the initial rate) lower. It doesn't matter how much one's usage is here, if it's a residence one pays residential rates for single phase service at 240V coming into the meter.

Business rates are based on additional factors such as how many phases and at what voltage the power is delivered. It's also based on what their peak usage reservation is. They pay a LOT more per kWh if they draw more than their rated peak. If a manufacturer has a 5000 kW connection and they load more than 5000 kW, the rate for the power they consume while drawing over 5000 kW is substantially higher than the rate they pay for the power they consume drawing less than 5000 kW. Industrial customers and large business customers (who typically run at least a 500 kW load at peak) are charged varying amounts based on time of day that is tied to peak overall system demand (but not necessarily the peak demand for that particular customer). Residential customers in my electric cooperative do not have rate fluctuations based on system demand/time of day. I do have friends who live in other areas where their local provider does have tiered rates based on overall system demand or time of day.

Businesses that only use single phase/240V/60Hz, such as small offices, typically pay more per kWh here than residences do.

 

[Michael Clark]

That's true in the US, too. My company lab/office space is not that large (about double the floor area of my home), but the utility bill for my company is only slightly higher than what we pay at our house (despite using substantially more power for lab automation, multiple -80 °C and -30 °C freezers, much higher HVAC flow needed for lab spaces, etc.), because for the company space we're paying the fractional cost of our space as part of the total power consumption of a 45,000 square meter building.

It depends upon where in the U.S. you are located. Most states have regulatory commissions or boards that govern the rates for-profit utilities and non-profit cooperatives can charge. The regulations vary widely from one state to the next. I am in a rural area with an electric management cooperative as my electricity provider. There are a good number of large industrial customers on the edge of the system next to a large river and and just out of the area served by a municipal system. Residential rates per kWh are lower than for commercial/business customers who don't use a much greater amount of electricity per month. Industrial customers pay a fee for contract demand (that is, if they want to be able to pull a 5000 kW load at any given time, they pay a fee to reserve that capacity) then pay a slightly lower rate per kWh than residential customers or what they actually use.

A business with less than 50 kW contract demand and less than 15,000 kWh per month usage currently pays 3% less connection fee per month than I do, 21.714 cents/kWh on peak and 9.435 cents/kWh off-peak. On peak hours are from 1-7 p.m. April-October and 4-10 a.m. November-March. I pay 12.440 cents/kWh all day and all night for the 1st 500 kWh per monthly billing cycle, 12.426 for the next 500 kWh, and 11.669 for anything past 1000 kWh (which I rarely reach). Rates are lower in April, May, October, and November, slightly higher in May-September, and almost as high as May-September in December-March. (Summer is highest, Winter is almost as high, and Transitional months are lowest.) All rates are also adjusted on a monthly basis due to any changes in the wholesale rates charged by the Tennessee Valley Authority to the Electric Management Cooperative.

Large industrial customers with contract demand or peak billing demand for greater than 1000 kW pay $15.89 per month per kW of contract demand (the charge per billing period for 1000kW demand would be $15,890, for 3000kW would be $47,670, and so on) plus 9.891 cents/kWh billed during peak hours and 7.190 cents/kWh off peak. If they exceed the contract demand with the billed demand (actual load on the system) at any time during the billing period, they pay an additional fee of $3.56/kW of the excessive demand up to 2,500 kW, and an additional $15.89/kW for any billing demand in excess of 2,500kW more than their contract demand.

 

[OldrockyGN]

Speaking of wifi - I can't get my R5m2 to connect to the wifi. It thinks it wants to
connect to an FTP server. Is that it? Or can it connect to the web in a more 'normal'
method.. I tried to teach it a different way but no joy.
Due to this glitch I can't even get the canon connect SW to run (thinks the camera is
not registered).

 

[koenkooi]

Speaking of wifi - I can't get my R5m2 to connect to the wifi. It thinks it wants to
connect to an FTP server. Is that it? Or can it connect to the web in a more 'normal'
method.. I tried to teach it a different way but no joy.
Due to this glitch I can't even get the canon connect SW to run (thinks the camera is
not registered).

If you want to connect to a phone/tablet,
you have to select that option: https://cam.start.canon/en/C017/manual/html/UG-06_Network_0100.html
Scroll down to the ‘without bluetooth’ bit if you want to using an existing wifi network.

Every ‘generic’ network setup I tried ended with FTP, like you said.

 

[OldrockyGN]

OK, for now I have turned off both WiFi and Bluetooth - but I think I will -need- it for something or other
sometime ... ???
However - when I turn on the camera is still prompts me for "connect this camera to your smartphone" (sic).
Perhaps there is a setting that will turn that off as well?
I also think that until the camera has been connected to the internet at least one time it won't know that it is
registered with Canon. I registered it using the document that came in the box so it is registered ... but the
camera doesn't think it is. :-(
A friend of mine has a similar problem with her HP printer. I can't wait for the mfgrs of all of our "smart"
devices learn to not do this/do it differently. I get it why they want to do this (marketing) and I accept that
as a fact of life (if you are going to own a 'smart camera' then you have to put up with this) ... but if the
camera/device can't find the web on its own - it turns a 'feature' into a major irritant.

 

[David - Sydney]

Not really. I'm assuming the more kWh one uses, the more one has to pay. The cost can be less during off-peak hours and more during peak usage hours, but either way there is a cost per kWh unless one is doing 100% of the charging using solar (which carries a greater capital cost up front).

Again, your assumption is incorrect.
As per the duck's curve with peak solar input, the market price can be negative during those times and some retailers can either provide the power for free or - as is starting to happen - charging homes for them feeding in power. The incentive is now for homes to buy batteries to store the solar power during the day and then feed it back into the grid during peak usage which tends to be in the evening when people come home from work and prepare dinner when solar feed-in is low.
I have no solar but can take advantage of zero cost power from 11am-2pm based on everyone else's solar investment. Australia has one of the highest rates of home solar in the world based on incentives and higher cost electricity. The timing of power generation and usage is now the issue with batteries, pumped hydro or worst case - peaking gas turbines - providing backup. The old coal power stations are becoming less reliable ie higher maintenance and unplanned outages.