Canon EOS R5 Mark II unconfirmed specifications

[David_E]

"Increased battery performance (don't expect a quantum leap here)"

O, dear, another person who does not know that the quantum is the smallest possible amount of anything, be it length, mass/energy, or time. A "quantum leap" is a Planck length, 1.616255(18)×10e−35 m. Inconceivably small, IOW. So: "Increased battery performance (don't expect a huge leap here)"

 

[vikingar]

"Increased battery performance (don't expect a quantum leap here)"

O, dear, another person who does not know that the quantum is the smallest possible amount of anything, be it length, mass/energy, or time. A "quantum leap" is a Planck length, 1.616255(18)×10e−35 m. Inconceivably small, IOW. So: "Increased battery performance (don't expect a huge leap here)"

In fact not. Neither the dictionary definition nor the physical phenomenon matches your definition. It comes from the abrupt transition to a higher energy quantum state. EDIT: Very very small distance yes, but still a huge abrupt jump for an electron.

Definition of QUANTUM LEAP

an abrupt change, sudden increase, or dramatic advance… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

quantum leap - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Physics:

Quantum jump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AlanF]

"Increased battery performance (don't expect a quantum leap here)"

O, dear, another person who does not know that the quantum is the smallest possible amount of anything, be it length, mass/energy, or time. A "quantum leap" is a Planck length, 1.616255(18)×10e−35 m. Inconceivably small, IOW. So: "Increased battery performance (don't expect a huge leap here)"

I know as much quantum theory as most here. A quantum leap in common parlance means an abrupt transition and is not restricted to E = hv. It refers to a change being discrete and not continuous.
Edit @vikingar my post overlapped in the ether with yours

 

[vikingar]

I know as much quantum theory as most here.

Sorry for derailing the thread. I was genuinely curious about the phrase and had to look it up. Sometimes definitions get bastardized or inverted over time, but it seems like here it's stayed the same.

 

[neurorx]

I really like the specifications so far, I would love to have similar or at least 1 stop improvement in low light performance over the R5. I pre-ordered the R5 early but it took a bit of time, hopefully the backorder delays are less with the R5M2.

 

[vishaltpt]

"I know as much quantum theory as most here. A quantum leap in common parlance means an abrupt transition and is not restricted to E = hv. It refers to a change being discrete and not continuous."

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(English Vs Physics)

So as to satisfy both the above opposing definitions of ‘Quantum’: My guess is -

"As per rumors, the Canon R5II won’t be a ‘Quantum Leap’ (drastic increase) in features as compared to the R5. Consequently, the Canon R5II is expected to be a ‘Quantum Leap’ (minor increase) in features as compared to the R5."

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The R3, R7, R6II and R8 all lack the 30
minute limitation.

Everything in the lineup besides the R100, R5, and RP.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

"I know as much quantum theory as most here. A quantum leap in common parlance means an abrupt transition and is not restricted to E = hv. It refers to a change being discrete and not continuous."

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(English Vs Physics)

So as to satisfy both the above opposing definitions of ‘Quantum’: My guess is -

"As per rumors, the Canon R5II won’t be a ‘Quantum Leap’ (drastic increase) in features as compared to the R5. Consequently, the Canon R5II is expected to be a ‘Quantum Leap’ (minor increase) in features as compared to the R5."

I took it as that IK would go back in time in the body of a Sony user and would need to fix his life before I could use Canon again.

 

[AlanF]

"Increased battery performance (don't expect a quantum leap here)"

O, dear, another person who does not know that the quantum is the smallest possible amount of anything, be it length, mass/energy, or time. A "quantum leap" is a Planck length, 1.616255(18)×10e−35 m. Inconceivably small, IOW. So: "Increased battery performance (don't expect a huge leap here)"

(English Vs Physics)

So as to satisfy both the above opposing definitions of ‘Quantum’: My guess is -

"As per rumors, the Canon R5II won’t be a ‘Quantum Leap’ (drastic increase) in features as compared to the R5. Consequently, the Canon R5II is expected to be a ‘Quantum Leap’ (minor increase) in features as compared to the R5."

Oh dear, there is real confusion here about both physics and English.

A quantum leap or jump in physics is not a Planck length, it refers to a discrete change in energy:

“An orbiting electron in an atom makes jumps between energy levels, known as quantum leaps or jumps. The atom creates a photon when an electron moves to a lower energy level and absorbs a photon when an electron moves to a higher energy level or leaves the atom (ionization).”
https://energywavetheory.com/atoms/quantum-leaps/

Now photons are what we photographers live by. The energy, E, of the photon/quantum leap is not a fixed quantity but depends on its wavelength: E = hν, where h is Planck’s constant (not length) and ν the frequency of the photon, or written alternatively E = hc/λ, where c = velocity of light and λ = wavelength. So, a quantum of energy of blue light is greater than green, which is greater than red light as the wavelengths get progressively longer. And x-rays that have very short wavelengths are far more energetic. h is a very, very small number, 6.62607015×10−34 J·s, but it is multiplied by very large numbers like the velocity of light and 1/λ to give the energies. Planck Length is the minimum possible wavelength a photon can have.

The definition of a quantum leap given in the, Cambridge, Merriam-Webster and Oxford Dictionaries is absolutely clear:

A great improvement or important development in something
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/quantum-leap
an abrupt change, sudden increase, or dramatic advance
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quantum leap
A sudden, significant, or very evident (usually large) increase or advance.
https://www.oed.com/search/advanced/Entries?q=quantum+leap&sortOption=Frequency
And that's what meant by quantum leaps in every day language.

 

[David_E]

In fact not. Neither the dictionary definition nor the physical phenomenon matches your definition. It comes from the abrupt transition to a higher energy quantum state. EDIT: Very very small distance yes, but still a huge abrupt jump for an electron.

Definition of QUANTUM LEAP

an abrupt change, sudden increase, or dramatic advance… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

quantum leap - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Physics:

Quantum jump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So you got the point. A very small distance.

 

[Berowne]

Ok, here we are. Is there a difference between Quantum jumps and Quantum leaps? And guess who did not believe in Quantum jumps?

 

[kaihp]

I'm sure I missed it somewhere, but have they eliminated the 30 minute maximum for video in the R5II?

The 30 min limit was, as far as I understand the issue, simply to avoid a (stupid) tax rule in the EU (cameras that were able to record more than 30 minutes of video got extra taxation; cameras below that were considered 'stills' cameras).

Now that the tax rule has been removed, there is no longer a need to limit 'stills' cameras to 30 minutes of video capture.

 

[tomislavmoze]

Canon should definitely continue the R5C line with the R5C Mark II upgrade.
Adding these video features on the Canon R5II would to be too much to ask.

Internal NDs on the R5C MK2 will be a game changer.
We need a small form factor FF cinema camera with internal NDs and 32-bit float audio recording. The Canon R5C MK2 has that potential.

It can be the equivalent of the Panasonic GH7 in the FF world. The GH7 has added some amazing features, making it a true modern-day hybrid pro stills + pro video camera.

Wish list for the Canon R5C MK2 (to be a true upgrade and a pro cine/hybrid cam): These are the Features already present in similarly priced cameras.

1. Internal ND (the Blackmagic 6K Pro has done it years ago at an affordable price point, so I guess Canon can too, if they want).

2. 32-bit float audio recording (like the GH7).

3. Better audio Preamps and physical audio dials.

4. two Mini XLRs and a locking 3.5mm audio input mic jack. ( (the Blackmagic 6K Pro has done it years ago)

5. Full-sized HDMI. (Blackmagic has it)

6. IBIS.

7. Canon Log2.

8. Canon RAW Light in 4K and 6K. Make Canon RAW Light as easy to edit as the RED R3D files. Canon needs to work on this. If they can manage to smoothen the post- production workflow of Canon RAW, then RED might have serious competition.

9. ProRes RAW and Arri RAW (like the GH7...but would canon do that?).

10. 16-bit RAW photos in stills mode to rival Hasselblad X1D

11. All Cinema Features like Waveform monitor, False Colour etc. etc. to stay.

12. Better organic High light Roll off in Video mode.
13. improved DR.
14. Digital Focus breathing correction ( aka Sony)

A Camera that could have all this listed would have to be at least size of c70 but considering they where saving space on c400 with mini xlrs I would say that is the minimum camera size that can do all you want without some sacrifices maybe even larger if you want NDa and IBIS together.
I do not understand what is problem with canon Raw I edit my c70 raw files easy enough. Ok the R5 8K raw is a bit troublesome but the cinema raw is pretty great to edit.
Even with 12bit image c70 is pulling 16stops of DR so I presume if R5mk2 stays with 12bit it could provide similar results like c70 if the sensor and processor will allow it.
Also expecting an 8k sensor camera to provide 6k and 4K raw without a crop in that price range is silly.
I don’t expect internal nds any time soon on a hybrid camera that is smaller than c70

 

[Loswr]

So you got the point. A very small distance.

So you didn’t get the point. You’re both wrong.

 

[AlanF]

So you got the point. A very small distance.

@Canon Rumors Guy used the expression "quantum leap" absolutely correctly when writing about battery life. Did you get the point that a quantum leap is not a Planck Step? Indeed, a photon of the wavelength of the Planck Step would have the energy of 12.3 billion Joules (12.3 GJ). That should be enough energy for all of our batteries for a long time to come.

 

[vishaltpt]

A Camera that could have all this listed would have to be at least size of c70 but considering they where saving space on c400 with mini xlrs I would say that is the minimum camera size that can do all you want without some sacrifices maybe even larger if you want NDa and IBIS together.
I do not understand what is problem with canon Raw I edit my c70 raw files easy enough. Ok the R5 8K raw is a bit troublesome but the cinema raw is pretty great to edit.
Even with 12bit image c70 is pulling 16stops of DR so I presume if R5mk2 stays with 12bit it could provide similar results like c70 if the sensor and processor will allow it.
Also expecting an 8k sensor camera to provide 6k and 4K raw without a crop in that price range is silly.
I don’t expect internal nds any time soon on a hybrid camera that is smaller than c70

Agree – ‘the size has to be increased’.

If you can have an increase in size, say up to R3 or Black magic 6K PRO size, what’s the harm?...While delivering internal ND with IBIS should be acceptable to video users. An increase in size can also facilitate a larger battery, thereby addressing the biggest gripe of the R5C line: its poor battery life.

So yes, if increasing the size adds killer features, then why not? It might even pull customers away from the competition.

 

[vishaltpt]

Competition Talk - SONY manager Nobutatsu Takahashi-san quotes:

“It’s not impossible to add electronic ND on small Alpha cameras. If the market wants, we can deliver.”

https://www.cined.com/sony-cinema-line-cameras-interview-with-nobutatsu-takahashi-san/

 

[frankchn]

Agree – ‘the size has to be increased’.

If you can have an increase in size, say up to R3 or Black magic 6K PRO size, what’s the harm?...While delivering internal ND with IBIS should be acceptable to video users. An increase in size can also facilitate a larger battery, thereby addressing the biggest gripe of the R5C line: its poor battery life.

So yes, if increasing the size adds killer features, then why not? It might even pull customers away from the competition.

The R5C was a relatively cheap re-engineering of the R5 to add more cooling while maintaining the same hardware platform, so if they decide to build an R5C Mark II, I think it will be a similar re-engineering.

Changing the chassis shape, making a new battery, adding additional moving optical ND parts, and engineering a better IBIS + heatsink combination and soon you are just developing a new cinema camera, and it won't be an R5C Mark II with the relatively low additional cost any more.

Canon will probably also be getting close to C400 prices there, so they have to consider market positioning then.

 

[Kuau]

Four years after the original R5, it would be very disappointing (to put it mildly) if the Mark II didn't offer some big improvements. But 16 stops DR from a 45 MP stacked BSI sensor? That would be something.

personally if the new R5ll does have a 45mp BSI sensor, that would be amazing for shooting 20-30FPS with very little rolling shutter.

 

[David - Sydney]

Canon RAW started on cinema cameras as well.
The main difference is that Cinema RAW Light has greater compression.
The newest is Cinema RAW Light LT which has the most.

The R5 has raw light video for 30/24fps modes. There is also IPB light for a bunch of lower resolution modes
For raw light the bit rate goes from 2600Mbps down to 1700Mbps but only one option.

The cinema bodies/R5C then have alternative compression rates which I guess the initial poster was asking for.
Perhaps they weren't aware of the firmware update when it was added to the R5.