Canon EOS R7 Mark II & EOS R6 Mark III Announcement Delays?

[tareqphoto]

Ok, if i can't afford R1/R3 level and R5ii is almost at maximum reach of my budget then i am happy that i waited long to see the upgrade of R7 and R6II, i might end up getting R5II maybe, but i always like to have two fast cameras bodies so one is mainly for sports and the other is for birding/wildlife, and both can be a backup of each other too, i don't need anything of both for landscape or portraits because i use another brand, so now i will see what R7II and R6III carry for us then i can decide which one i will get.

I prefer a crop factor or APS-C for sports for better crop and that is also nice for birds, but we get used to full frame, i am still using so old cameras such as 1DX [original] and 1D MarkIII, so if i will upgrade and jump it is better i jump like a decade or 15 years since that time, i don't jump or upgrade every half decade like before, even before i was upgrading like every 2-3, but not anymore, and good that i didn't buy R5mk1 or R6mk1 or even R7, and of course i will not wait much longer for any more newer versions, but since i started to think about upgrading last year then i have this year or next year to decide and buy, and i will get the latest one or the newest releasing from Canon and another brand, i can wait until end of this year so the announcement or the rumors will be clear by then.

 

[Eloniel]

Ok, if i can't afford R1/R3 level and R5ii is almost at maximum reach of my budget then i am happy that i waited long to see the upgrade of R7 and R6II, i might end up getting R5II maybe, but i always like to have two fast cameras bodies so one is mainly for sports and the other is for birding/wildlife, and both can be a backup of each other too, i don't need anything of both for landscape or portraits because i use another brand, so now i will see what R7II and R6III carry for us then i can decide which one i will get.

I prefer a crop factor or APS-C for sports for better crop and that is also nice for birds, but we get used to full frame, i am still using so old cameras such as 1DX [original] and 1D MarkIII, so if i will upgrade and jump it is better i jump like a decade or 15 years since that time, i don't jump or upgrade every half decade like before, even before i was upgrading like every 2-3, but not anymore, and good that i didn't buy R5mk1 or R6mk1 or even R7, and of course i will not wait much longer for any more newer versions, but since i started to think about upgrading last year then i have this year or next year to decide and buy, and i will get the latest one or the newest releasing from Canon and another brand, i can wait until end of this year so the announcement or the rumors will be clear by then.

Why you don't plan to use your new Canon FF body (R6 MK3 or R5 MK2) for portraits ? What other brand seems to suit this use more for you ? Is it medium format (Fuji/Hasselblad) ?

 

[tareqphoto]

Why you don't plan to use your new Canon FF body (R6 MK3 or R5 MK2) for portraits ? What other brand seems to suit this use more for you ? Is it medium format (Fuji/Hasselblad) ?

The only mirrorless camera i have now is Sony A7R, that time it was surpassing or outperforming Canon really, i mean that time i was using my 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 for my landscapes and portraits over 1DX for example, but yes, i also have Hasselblad, first it was H3D-39II when there isn't any DSLR 35mm at that level then traded it into H4D-60, i couldn't upgrade that camera since, but it is still a powerful camera even over Sony A7R5 or Canon R1 or even Sony A1 and Fuji equivalent 35mm mirrorless, medium format is only outperformed by medium format, so as long i get used to Sony A7R for landscape and portrait and even still life and Macro i will keep using that brand, i want to upgrade to Sony A7R5 unless this will have an upgrade too, i never use Sony for sports, i used it for birds few times but i felt that speed is for Canon and i won't buy the fast cameras from Sony anyway, still i have lenses from Canon, but for landscape and portraits i can use any lens because speed isn't a factor.

 

[tareqphoto]

The bottom line is, for still subjects or controlled no action no fast movements i prefer highest mp resolution and bigger sensor, and i don't look for fastest focus or cleanest EFV or best ISO or even incredible body design, just nice high mp and big sensor is all what i want, i didn't see huge difference of landscape or portraits using a current camera or 30 years old cameras anyway, while for sports and birding i see improvements significantly really, so in this term i will stick with Canon for sports and birding even i don't do birding at all, i stopped photography since long time for reasons, but now my hunger of it is back, and i want to start with sports first, and hopefully i will get a new body before i am back rather than still using my old cameras, and funny that i only use my Sony a7R for simple snapshots and unboxing new items i buy.

 

[Eloniel]

The only mirrorless camera i have now is Sony A7R, that time it was surpassing or outperforming Canon really, i mean that time i was using my 1Ds2 and 1Ds3 for my landscapes and portraits over 1DX for example, but yes, i also have Hasselblad, first it was H3D-39II when there isn't any DSLR 35mm at that level then traded it into H4D-60, i couldn't upgrade that camera since, but it is still a powerful camera even over Sony A7R5 or Canon R1 or even Sony A1 and Fuji equivalent 35mm mirrorless, medium format is only outperformed by medium format, so as long i get used to Sony A7R for landscape and portrait and even still life and Macro i will keep using that brand, i want to upgrade to Sony A7R5 unless this will have an upgrade too, i never use Sony for sports, i used it for birds few times but i felt that speed is for Canon and i won't buy the fast cameras from Sony anyway, still i have lenses from Canon, but for landscape and portraits i can use any lens because speed isn't a factor.

Ok but I'm still not sure to understand why do you feel a R6 MK3 / R5 MK2 (that you plan to buy) would not be good enough to shoot portraits and landscapes and that you will still need to use another brand (Sony) ?

 

[tareqphoto]

Ok but I'm still not sure to understand why do you feel a R6 MK3 / R5 MK2 (that you plan to buy) would not be good enough to shoot portraits and landscapes and that you will still need to use another brand (Sony) ?

They are great and amazing i am sure, i just like to have each subject a specific camera, even in Canon category i was using 1Ds3 more or over than 1DX although both are a full frame, i even have 5D1 and i didn't use that more than 1Ds2, and later 1Ds3 became my best landscape portraits camera over 5D1/1Ds2 and before i buy the Hasselblad, so it is just kind of feeling, i even liked images from Sony A7R over anything from my 1DX or 1Ds3 regarding landscape and portraits, i felt that images from 1Ds3 is more natural than 1DX while 1DX is more vivid or richer, but Sony A7R was higher dynamic and sharper really out of camera i don't know why, and i looked at images and results by others and i see that Sony and Fuji images of portraits i prefer more than Canon and Nikon, i don't know why, while for birding and wildlife Canon and Nikon are still kings, and for sports it is Canon playground, i can use one camera for everything, but i didn't do that even in the past, i feel that R1-R7 they are more suited for fast actions birding sports to my mind, they are also amazing for anything else, but in birds and wildlife i didn't see people using Fuji or Hasselblad for example or even Panasonic or Lumix, in mobile phones you will see majority are using iPhone or Samsung equivalent although others are ok too.

 

[tareqphoto]

Also processing or editing images out of camera from Sony for landscape and portraits for me is always easier and nicer, i can spend like 1-2 minutes with Sony file and i am done, while for Canon i might take longer time to make it as match or better than Sony if i can, i even imaged same subject with my 1DX and Sony A7R and processed both and showed my family, they all preferred and chose that from Sony over 1DX, maybe now with mirrorless camera it is a change game for sure, but i want to upgrade from 36mp to 60mp, Sony has that, which Canon body has 60mp or more??? 50mp is more than enough yes i know, but i always look for more, people always look for more, give me a 60mp or more and nicer sensor from Canon and i will forget Sony or anything else.

 

[rombe3jr]

What kind of price point is the R7 II supposed to be hitting?

Anybody have a guess how much the R6 III will cost?

Wild guess here but if they keep the same introductory price points but at a 15% tariff then these would be $1,725 for the R7 II and $2,875 for the R6 III.

 

[justaCanonuser]

We all have different preferences. I carry an FF body for birding (R5ii or R5) and the R7 as a back-up. The reason is that for birds in flight, a wider angle of view is much easier for me to handle for finding and keeping in frame fast flying birds. Also, with narrower lenses, like the RF 100-500mm and the RF 200-800mm, the diffraction-limitations mean that in practice the R7 has little or no more reach than the R5.

I exactly know what you mean, and it also depends on the behavior of a bird species. Shooting puffins works quite well with a long tele lens, I did that often in the past with my old EF 500mm + 1.4 TC (III) = 700mm and often my 7D2 attached. In the beginning it was a steep learning curve but I quickly learned that puffins are relatively easy to frame because they fly mostly in straight lines. Now, this June we spend several hours shooting sandwich terns returning to their colony with fishes in their beaks. I used an EF 600mm (III) and my R7, and that turned out to be a real challenge, because those terns swiftly and erratically change their flight direction to escape the gull bandits patrolling around to rob their fishes. That was really hard work with a lot of misses, but finally also some good BIF shots.

 

[AlanF]

I exactly know what you mean, and it also depends on the behavior of a bird species. Shooting puffins works quite well with a long tele lens, I did that often in the past with my old EF 500mm + 1.4 TC (III) = 700mm and often my 7D2 attached. In the beginning it was a steep learning curve but I quickly learned that puffins are relatively easy to frame because they fly mostly in straight lines. Now, this June we spend several hours shooting sandwich terns returning to their colony with fishes in their beaks. I used an EF 600mm (III) and my R7, and that turned out to be a real challenge, because those terns swiftly and erratically change their flight direction to escape the gull bandits patrolling around to rob their fishes. That was really hard work with a lot of misses, but finally also some good BIF shots.

I got some Sandwich Terns last month that were so far away I needed 800mm on the R5ii. At the long distance, they just occupied a small fraction of the image and so they aren't good shots any way. However, last year, I zoomed out the 800mm to 400mm on the R5 for Puffins as I could track them as they got close for the best shots, and the images were reasonably sized.

 

[justaCanonuser]

The puffins are great, Alan, and I am always happy to see them with a good collection of sand eels, because many puffin colonies are losing that important food source since the water is getting locally too warm for the sand eels. And I like the one flying tern. Here is one of mine I catched past June with the EF 600mm III R7 combo (handheld) - light was optimal to get its eye visible, often you get only a black "eyeless" cap in images when the light conditions are less favorable:

And here is one of the many puffin BIF images I shot over the years, just lying around on my MacBook, this one I made with my 7D2 and my EF 500mm F4.5 L USM - challenge with those high-speed puffins was always that the 1st gen USM motor of that vintage lens was (is, I still have it) a bit slow:


In fact, if possible I prefer to catch bird portraits - this one I could use in a science article in a big newspaper I write frequently, it was about seabirds and the question how climate change affects them (shot with my 7D2 and the EF 500/4.5):

 

[Del Paso]

A beautiful puffin portrait !

 

[AlanF]

The puffins are great, Alan, and I am always happy to see them with a good collection of sand eels, because many puffin colonies are losing that important food source since the water is getting locally too warm for the sand eels. And I like the one flying tern. Here is one of mine I catched past June with the EF 600mm III R7 combo (handheld) - light was optimal to get its eye visible, often you get only a black "eyeless" cap in images when the light conditions are less favorable:View attachment 225600

And here is one of the many puffin BIF images I shot over the years, just lying around on my MacBook, this one I made with my 7D2 and my EF 500mm F4.5 L USM - challenge with those high-speed puffins was always that the 1st gen USM motor of that vintage lens was (is, I still have it) a bit slow:
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In fact, if possible I prefer to catch bird portraits - this one I could use in a science article in a big newspaper I write frequently, it was about seabirds and the question how climate change affects them (shot with my 7D2 and the EF 500/4.5):
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https://www.rspb.org.uk/whats-happening/news/the-closure-of-sandeel-fisheries

There has been an ongoing battle between the EU who wanted to hoover up sandeels in British waters to grind up into fish meal and Brit ecos backed up by our government to preserve them for Puffins, Razor Bills, Terns Guillemots and more. The fishing was banned, appealed by the EU who lost at an international court of arbitration. It's made a huge difference. Here is a Puffin who is now flying only a few miles to catch them from Skomer instead of the previous 20-30 miles. And a big smile from him. (From an R7 + RF 100-500mm).

 

[MJR]

https://www.rspb.org.uk/whats-happening/news/the-closure-of-sandeel-fisheries

There has been an ongoing battle between the EU who wanted to hoover up sandeels in British waters to grind up into fish meal and Brit ecos backed up by our government to preserve them for Puffins, Razor Bills, Terns Guillemots and more. The fishing was banned, appealed by the EU who lost at an international court of arbitration. It's made a huge difference. Here is a Puffin who is now flying only a few miles to catch them from Skomer instead of the previous 20-30 miles. And a big smile from him. (From an R7 + RF 100-500mm).

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https://www.rspb.org.uk/whats-happening/news/the-closure-of-sandeel-fisheries

There has been an ongoing battle between the EU who wanted to hoover up sandeels in British waters to grind up into fish meal and Brit ecos backed up by our government to preserve them for Puffins, Razor Bills, Terns Guillemots and more. The fishing was banned, appealed by the EU who lost at an international court of arbitration. It's made a huge difference. Here is a Puffin who is now flying only a few miles to catch them from Skomer instead of the previous 20-30 miles. And a big smile from him. (From an R7 + RF 100-500mm).

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Yes, it was an excellent decision, and a blot on the EU copybook. It's a shame our present political masters here in the UK do not appear to value the environment:

Labour’s planning bill threatens protected habitats, says environment watchdog

Nature organisations say legislation would remove safeguards for nature and put protected sites at risk

www.theguardian.com

 

[AlpiRando]

Hello, do you think an R8 MK II is in the pipeline?

 

[candyman]

Hello, do you think an R8 MK II is in the pipeline?

There are no rumors yet about the R8 Mark II. The R8 was announced in February 2023 and launched in April 2023. A successor to the R8 could very well be launched next year, in 2026. A three-year lifespan for this type of camera would be a logical one.

 

[AlpiRando]

There are no rumors yet about the R8 Mark II. The R8 was announced in February 2023 and launched in April 2023. A successor to the R8 could very well be launched next year, in 2026. A three-year lifespan for this type of camera would be a logical one.

Yes, that's my opinion too.
Thank you.

 

[justaCanonuser]

https://www.rspb.org.uk/whats-happening/news/the-closure-of-sandeel-fisheries

There has been an ongoing battle between the EU who wanted to hoover up sandeels in British waters to grind up into fish meal and Brit ecos backed up by our government to preserve them for Puffins, Razor Bills, Terns Guillemots and more. The fishing was banned, appealed by the EU who lost at an international court of arbitration. It's made a huge difference. Here is a Puffin who is now flying only a few miles to catch them from Skomer instead of the previous 20-30 miles. And a big smile from him. (From an R7 + RF 100-500mm).

Great shots again, Alan, and yes, overfishing is another very big issue. I am a pro European but the fishing and farming policy if the EU is driven only by interests of the industry, despite the EU's assurances that it intends to maintain high environmental standards. This was indeed a great win by the UK, and I appreciate that much. But the warming of the sea water, driven by climate change, is the longterm threat for many seabird colonies that rely on food supply from cold water species. Btw I interviewed an Oxford scientist whose studies included the Skomer colony for my newspaper story - you may be able to translate it in English (the German newspaper "Frankfurter Allgemeine" is comparable with "The Times):

Von Papageitauchern und anderen fliegenden Fischern

Megastädte sind keine Erfindung des Menschen. Auch für Papageitaucher, Lachmöwen und Trottellummen ist der Wohnraum äußerst knapp. Und der Klimawandel macht ihnen außerdem zu schaffen.

www.faz.net

 

[AlanF]

Great shots again, Alan, and yes, overfishing is another very big issue. I am a pro European but the fishing and farming policy if the EU is driven only by interests of the industry, despite the EU's assurances that it intends to maintain high environmental standards. This was indeed a great win by the UK, and I appreciate that much. But the warming of the sea water, driven by climate change, is the longterm threat for many seabird colonies that rely on food supply from cold water species. Btw I interviewed an Oxford scientist whose studies included the Skomer colony for my newspaper story - you may be able to translate it in English (the German newspaper "Frankfurter Allgemeine" is comparable with "The Times):

Von Papageitauchern und anderen fliegenden Fischern

Megastädte sind keine Erfindung des Menschen. Auch für Papageitaucher, Lachmöwen und Trottellummen ist der Wohnraum äußerst knapp. Und der Klimawandel macht ihnen außerdem zu schaffen.

www.faz.net

Very fine article. With global warning, we have the problem of climate deniers and those who believe it's someone else's fault, and recovery is slow. With overfishing and suchlike, the consequences are so much more undeniable and the effects so much more immediate that it is easier to win. Nevertheless, politicians will put national gains to the fore.

 

[justaCanonuser]

Very fine article. With global warning, we have the problem of climate deniers and those who believe it's someone else's fault, and recovery is slow. With overfishing and suchlike, the consequences are so much more undeniable and the effects so much more immediate that it is easier to win. Nevertheless, politicians will put national gains to the fore.

Thank you, Alan. I know, I deal a lot with climate change, and as science journalist I was also threatened by right-wing radicals. As a physicist, I work strictly based on scientific facts, but many people mentally not able to distinguish between facts and fake, in particular if fake fits better into their way of living. Plus, I think a lot of people are also scared and feel helpless, so they ignore the danger like the famous rabbit that ignores the snake getting closer.