Canon L Glass is currently priced at over $1200 / pound
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RGF said:
And I think your not far off the Mark, from the Canon guys at the January Singapore "Look" at the new 200-400f/4 (1.4x), they were Guestimating USD$10,500-$11,500 and I would say that's about right. Good work by the way, I like it when I see others that have, like me, loads of time and develop strange ways to fill it.
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Grumbaki said:
Yes the points in the uppper right hand corner determine the slope. Not driven by a single point rather a cluster of points most determined by the new Great Whites. Besides from the Great Whites, the most expensive (on a mass basis) lens are specialized lens (14mm, 17 and 24 TS-E, 8-15 fisheye, 50 F1.2) with the exception of the 24-70 MII.
If you look at the data table you see several trends. Key is new lens tend to have higher prices ($ / mass) trended around $1,200 / pound.
Here are the 10 top lens based upon price / pound. Half are great white, 4 out of the 5 five are specialized lens, the last is the 24-70 MII. Could this indicate future price trend at Canon?
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye USM $1,260
TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II $1,280
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II USM $1,297
EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM $1,300
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM $1,314
EF 800mm f/5.6L IS USM $1,337
TS-E 17mm f/4L $1,384
EF 500mm f/4L IS II USM $1,480
EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM $1,482
EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM $1,660
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interesting topic,
I think 2005 defined the maturity with digital... thats when I got my 20D and I felt that I had finally replaced my film camera. Id had a digital camera since 2001 but never really felt it replaced film until my 20D. Also at that time, I think we were hitting the resolution threshold of 35mm film so lenses had to change. Plus if you look at the emerging technologies of that time: IS, the technologies needed to achieve IS with f2.8 and F4 continuous zooms and primes, the glass technology required for this and how many people feel confortable with zooms when primes previously were exclusive. Keep in mind, the whole time, the image sensor has gotten better and better. Less of the lens artifacting could be hidden by the imaging system (film or digital). So what we as consumers are receiving as an end product is a lot of value.
Oh and its still made in japan, it hasn't been sourced to a cheaper labor pool. So your money goes to supporting a japanese worker standard of living.
My humble F1.4 50mm is still around and is on its third camera body. Thats value. I never regret the price of a lens as long as it fulfills a need and I didn't just get it to get it. That wouldn't be the lenses fault but mine. Luckily I research a purchase like a madman.
Take the 5D3.. a $1000 markup from the mark2, which was cheaper than the mark1!. But what did we get? The AF from the 1DX minus the contribution of the 100,000 pixel AE. "Baby 1D" functionality and build, while the 6D fulfilled the bracket that the markii had previously but with better IQ.
Look at the changes at the xxD product line: 20D-50D were the semipro models until the 60D moved into the "super rebel" realm where we lost the joystick, mag alloy body, etc... So to get the evolution of the xxD model line, which used to be ~$1300, you had to get the 7D which was now in the ~$1800 range. In other words, to get an upgrade in the xxD model range, it cost $500 more! Now with the 5D, same thing.. the 6D gets you a full frame super rebel, and to get a feature upgrade (they way we did from 20D-50D), you have to pay like $700 more for a 5DmarkIII!
Same with lenses, you want to get the successors to the 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, you are paying at least $700 more!
The flip side to this is that there has been a demand for these products and more people are monetizing their photography.
I think 2005 defined the maturity with digital... thats when I got my 20D and I felt that I had finally replaced my film camera. Id had a digital camera since 2001 but never really felt it replaced film until my 20D. Also at that time, I think we were hitting the resolution threshold of 35mm film so lenses had to change. Plus if you look at the emerging technologies of that time: IS, the technologies needed to achieve IS with f2.8 and F4 continuous zooms and primes, the glass technology required for this and how many people feel confortable with zooms when primes previously were exclusive. Keep in mind, the whole time, the image sensor has gotten better and better. Less of the lens artifacting could be hidden by the imaging system (film or digital). So what we as consumers are receiving as an end product is a lot of value.
Oh and its still made in japan, it hasn't been sourced to a cheaper labor pool. So your money goes to supporting a japanese worker standard of living.
My humble F1.4 50mm is still around and is on its third camera body. Thats value. I never regret the price of a lens as long as it fulfills a need and I didn't just get it to get it. That wouldn't be the lenses fault but mine. Luckily I research a purchase like a madman.
Take the 5D3.. a $1000 markup from the mark2, which was cheaper than the mark1!. But what did we get? The AF from the 1DX minus the contribution of the 100,000 pixel AE. "Baby 1D" functionality and build, while the 6D fulfilled the bracket that the markii had previously but with better IQ.
Look at the changes at the xxD product line: 20D-50D were the semipro models until the 60D moved into the "super rebel" realm where we lost the joystick, mag alloy body, etc... So to get the evolution of the xxD model line, which used to be ~$1300, you had to get the 7D which was now in the ~$1800 range. In other words, to get an upgrade in the xxD model range, it cost $500 more! Now with the 5D, same thing.. the 6D gets you a full frame super rebel, and to get a feature upgrade (they way we did from 20D-50D), you have to pay like $700 more for a 5DmarkIII!
Same with lenses, you want to get the successors to the 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, you are paying at least $700 more!
The flip side to this is that there has been a demand for these products and more people are monetizing their photography.
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What an interesting thread - and the price per weight aspect is interesting to think about. I realise that quantity of high quality optical glass (and lens barrel / body) does bear some correlation to overall price.
At the same time, there are certainly lots of other variables to consider too. Eg technology like IS, built in tele-converts, focus mechanism, etc.
Just a quick point... that it appears not all the date fields in your table about lenses are accurate. Eg the 24-70mm f/2.8 II and 24-70mm f/4 were both released 2012 (early and late, respectively).
Cheers
Paul
At the same time, there are certainly lots of other variables to consider too. Eg technology like IS, built in tele-converts, focus mechanism, etc.
Just a quick point... that it appears not all the date fields in your table about lenses are accurate. Eg the 24-70mm f/2.8 II and 24-70mm f/4 were both released 2012 (early and late, respectively).
Cheers
Paul
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Always fun with a little data analysis 
A couple of observations from my side and a suggestion for improving the predictions:
- Confining the starting point to zero cost is not realistic - there is a transaction cost (salaries etc), so a positive cost at zero lbs would make more sense to me.
- There seems to be two regimes - one for the light/"cheap" lenses up to about 4 lbs, and the other regime for the Big Whites. It would be interesting if the OP could go back and see how much such a division would effect the outcome ($/lbs).
Maybe add parameters like IS/non-IS and aperture so see if their impact.
A couple of observations from my side and a suggestion for improving the predictions:
- Confining the starting point to zero cost is not realistic - there is a transaction cost (salaries etc), so a positive cost at zero lbs would make more sense to me.
- There seems to be two regimes - one for the light/"cheap" lenses up to about 4 lbs, and the other regime for the Big Whites. It would be interesting if the OP could go back and see how much such a division would effect the outcome ($/lbs).
Maybe add parameters like IS/non-IS and aperture so see if their impact.
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Re: Canon L Glass costs over $1200 / pound
I knew an electrical engineer who priced the electrical installation in new schools by the number of toilets shown on the plans. It was a nightmare working out the schedule of rates for extras when his jobs were accepted. It did seem to work, weird as it sounds.
Mt Spokane Photography said:One salesman at a unnamed company where I worked back in the 1970's was said to have picked a price based on the number of a railroad train car going by his window after the customer asked for a better price. He made the sale, and it was big bucks
I knew an electrical engineer who priced the electrical installation in new schools by the number of toilets shown on the plans. It was a nightmare working out the schedule of rates for extras when his jobs were accepted. It did seem to work, weird as it sounds.
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Re: Canon L Glass costs over $1200 / pound
All proxies for something else - effort, value, size of the job.
motorhead said:Mt Spokane Photography said:One salesman at a unnamed company where I worked back in the 1970's was said to have picked a price based on the number of a railroad train car going by his window after the customer asked for a better price. He made the sale, and it was big bucks
I knew an electrical engineer who priced the electrical installation in new schools by the number of toilets shown on the plans. It was a nightmare working out the schedule of rates for extras when his jobs were accepted. It did seem to work, weird as it sounds.
All proxies for something else - effort, value, size of the job.
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