Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]

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<strong>A bit of information


</strong>With Canon’s expected foray into the mirrorless segment <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/06/announcement-day-july-23-2012-cr2/" target="_blank">just around the corner</a>, a bit more information has started to flow.</p>
<p><strong>Lenses


</strong>We’re told the new camera is in fact a new mount, I think most expected this. The camera will launch with at least 2 lenses and an EF adaptor. One lens will be a wide angle “kit” lens as well as a telephoto lens.</p>
<p>No word on whether or not the EF adaptor would also adapt EF-S lenses, though I would hope it did.</p>
<p>It is also suggested that the new primes that Canon has announced and released (24, 28, & 40mm) are the <a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_aps-c_compact.html" target="_blank">first in a series of small prime lenses</a> meant to work well with EOS EF and the mirrorless camera.</p>
<p><strong>Body


</strong>Information about the body itself is pretty vague. It’s still suggested the camera will use the 14mp CMOS G1 X sensor. A “good” ISO range and “average” video performance. A video focused camera could be “in the future”.</p>
<p><strong>EF Lens Adaptor


</strong>We have posted a couple of patents in the past about such an adaptor. You can view them <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/03/first-canon-mirrorless-related-patent/" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/07/canon-mirrorless-related-patent/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Northlight has posted a <a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_aps-c_compact.html" target="_blank">cool little diagram</a> showing the size of the EF adaptor in comparison to the new EF 40 f/2.8 pancake.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">c</span>r</strong></p>

 

[adhocphotographer]

Interested to see what actually comes out...

 

[trulandphoto]

Not sure I understand the point of having the pancake be larger (with adapter) on a mirrorless than it is on a 5D. But then, I'm sure the aim is to sell the lenses with the new mount.

 

[preppyak]

Not sure I understand the point of having the pancake be larger (with adapter) on a mirrorless than it is on a 5D. But then, I'm sure the aim is to sell the lenses with the new mount.

Well, remember that a 5D would still be twice the size of a likely mirrorless camera, so even if the lens sticks out a little more, its still more portable on the mirrorless camera.

 

[RLPhoto]

Disappointment... :-[

BTW, Does anyone know what the crop factor would be on the sensor?

 

[RJ_4000]

I just hope the picture on Northlight is not accurate !
If it is, it looks like one won't be able to mount Leica M compatible lenses on those camera...
Well, I hope they plan an FD adapter though (still have a lot of fun with FD 80-200 4L and FD 85 1.2L with my NEX7).

Raoul

 

[Flake]

The G1X is an amazing little camera, capable of image quality the equal of any crop frame DSLR and that far behind the 5D MkII, it's easily of commercial quality. The qualm I have with this mirrorless camera is why would I buy it? The G1X has a superb lens and any 'EVIL' offering would have to be at least as good to produce similar IQ, will two lenses be enough to tempt buyers away from a fixed lens which performs so well?

So there are the reservations, here's what I'd need to see to make any kind of temptation realistic:

Better autofocus - the achilles heel of the G1X, it's just too slow & basic
Better Flash control - again it's very basic
Decent close focus - because no matter how you try switching between normal & macro is a PITA
Microphone In - probably not a major biggie for many but external mics are as needed as a flash for video
Manual Zoom - I HATE the power zoom ! (I'm it will have this)

I'm sure that the range of lenses will increase and that the whole range will be covered, but I will have to see the focal range covered by the two at launch before I make any decision.

 

[elflord]

The G1X is an amazing little camera, capable of image quality the equal of any crop frame DSLR and that far behind the 5D MkII, it's easily of commercial quality. The qualm I have with this mirrorless camera is why would I buy it?

To begin with, one can adapt EF lenses and use the kit. Then add lenses as they are released, though one would want to see the road map to verify that this would work.

Some users with a large collection of EF mount lenses might find it appealing. Personally I prefer to use a system with a better range of native lenses.

 

[Rocky]

Hope it will have FAST AF. Nikon has it, Olympus has it. If Canon does not have it it will be a big flop. Or canon can come up with a good range finder and View finder and becomes a poor man's shrunk M9.

 

[Chewy734]

Disappointment... :-[

BTW, Does anyone know what the crop factor would be on the sensor?

1.85x, I think.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

Hope it will have FAST AF. Nikon has it, Olympus has it. If Canon does not have it it will be a big flop. Or canon can come up with a good range finder and View finder and becomes a poor man's shrunk M9.

...or, you could mount a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and get a rich man's chunky X2....

b&

 

[Rocky]

Hope it will have FAST AF. Nikon has it, Olympus has it. If Canon does not have it it will be a big flop. Or canon can come up with a good range finder and View finder and becomes a poor man's shrunk M9.

...or, you could mount a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and get a rich man's chunky X2....

b&

The major advantage of mirrorless is to make it smaller than the DSLR and eliminate the mirror bounce. Your proposal goes the opposite way.

 

[unfocused]

Disappointment... :-[

BTW, Does anyone know what the crop factor would be on the sensor?

1.85x, I think.

Along this same line. I've never known if the G1X sensor is any different than the 18mp APS-C sensor chopped down to a slightly different aspect ratio. Any of the techies out there able to offer some insight?

 

[Loswr]

Along this same line. I've never known if the G1X sensor is any different than the 18mp APS-C sensor chopped down to a slightly different aspect ratio. Any of the techies out there able to offer some insight?

that pretty much nails it, AFAIK. Same sensor, from a technological standpoint, as the current 18 MP APS-C bodies (7D, 60D, T2i-T4i), just stamped on the wafer at a 4:3 aspect ratio instead of 3:2.

 

[TrumpetPower!]

Hope it will have FAST AF. Nikon has it, Olympus has it. If Canon does not have it it will be a big flop. Or canon can come up with a good range finder and View finder and becomes a poor man's shrunk M9.

...or, you could mount a Shorty McForty to a 5DIII and get a rich man's chunky X2....

b&

The major advantage of mirrorless is to make it smaller than the DSLR and eliminate the mirror bounce. Your proposal goes the opposite way.

True. But, except for body size, my proposal also solves each and every one of the problems mirrorless cameras have, and it solves them in spades.

b&

 

[preppyak]

True. But, except for body size, my proposal also solves each and every one of the problems mirrorless cameras have, and it solves them in spades.

Right, but size is one of, if not THE, main reason to go mirror less. An NEX and a 17mm pancake weight like 1/3 of your combo, and are < 1/2 the size. If you're lugging that long distances, or have limited space, it becomes a big deal.

It's like someone asking for recommendations for a wide-angle lens and you telling them to get the 85mm f/1.2. Sure, it's a beautiful lens, but, it doesn't meet the needs in any way.

 

[Ivar]

All that sounds like "me too" in a crowded place. Why would anyone buy a Canon version of the same?
Mediocre high ISO, less DR than competition.

 

[Loswr]

less DR than competition.

DR again...what exactly is that, anyway?

 

[zim]

Looks like canon are about to disappoint, I just don’t see the point unless it’s a poor man’s M9 that to me was Canon’s opportunity. 550D and a 40 pancake sounds like a better proposition and if you can’t carry that up a hill you shouldn’t be going up hills! ;D

 

[TrumpetPower!]

True. But, except for body size, my proposal also solves each and every one of the problems mirrorless cameras have, and it solves them in spades.

Right, but size is one of, if not THE, main reason to go mirror less. An NEX and a 17mm pancake weight like 1/3 of your combo, and are < 1/2 the size. If you're lugging that long distances, or have limited space, it becomes a big deal.

It's like someone asking for recommendations for a wide-angle lens and you telling them to get the 85mm f/1.2. Sure, it's a beautiful lens, but, it doesn't meet the needs in any way.

My point is that there are always compromises. If you want a small and cheap camera, you're not going to get one that's going to perform as well in low light as a 5DIII, you're not going to get a viewfinder like the one in the 5DIII, you're not going to be able to get as shallow a depth of field as with a 5DIII, you're not going to get an autofocus system like the 5DIII has, you're not going to be able to mount and use lenses to their full potential the same way a 5DIII can, you're not going to have flash options like you have on a 5DIII, you're not going to be able to use manual focus as gracefully as you can on a 5DIII, and on and on and on and on.

Yet, those are the exact complaints i keep hearing over and over and over again about mirrorless in general and Canon's hypothetical mirrorless option in particular.

So, at some point, you're going to have to suck it up. Either put up with a camera that doesn't come close to a 5DIII, or stick the Shorty McForty on the 5DIII and deal with a few extra ounces of weight and a few extra cubic inches of space. And, really, unless you're on an Everest expedition or a Shuttle launch, that extra weight and size is nothing more than an inconvenience. Or, admit that convenience is more important than photography and take snapshots with the toy camera and stop worrying that it's not as good as what you could have gotten with a real camera.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, after all.

Cheers,

b&