Canon must hurry up on FF mirrorless, Sony's new A9 is killer
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Crosswind said:
Others are chiming in but I posted a woodpecker shot where he opened his mouth and used his very unique tongue to clean his upper mandible. The other shots were in focus and differ only slightly except for the tongue.
Another sequence has birds fighting in the air. Now if they are out of focus badly an algorithm could could certainly dispense with those but the poses that are sharp all have different more/less desirable visual characteristics - lighting, angle, pose etc.
Jack
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Jack Douglas said:
Your description of the woodpecker...Ok, this is a family forum.
I have to chuckle every time I read the OP's title for this thread. Funniest of 2017 so far.
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I can understand getting caught up in the hype. There are some very compelling advantages to a camera like this, when it is perfected. Two I particularly like are the full AF point spread and the quietness.
I wouldn't say thank you for the small size when using big lenses.
Jack
I wouldn't say thank you for the small size when using big lenses.
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Re: Burst shooting for landscape...umm
If you are referring to my posting... then you might have misunderstood it. This is not a "spray n pray" (which is something completely different). I'm doing bursts of images in landscape photography for the sake of image stacking to lower the noise when needed (and especially when I don't have a tripod with me).
And about the Sony A9... I really appreciate it, because something like that might push competition a bit further and that's always a good thing for all of us. Looking forward to Canon's first FF MILC though (as Sony is no option for me b/c of poor lens selection - which might change sooner or later). I wonder if it really happens sometime in 2018/19, or if Canon will stay in the APS-C field with their M series... What do you guys think?
slclick said:
If you are referring to my posting... then you might have misunderstood it. This is not a "spray n pray" (which is something completely different). I'm doing bursts of images in landscape photography for the sake of image stacking to lower the noise when needed (and especially when I don't have a tripod with me).
And about the Sony A9... I really appreciate it, because something like that might push competition a bit further and that's always a good thing for all of us. Looking forward to Canon's first FF MILC though (as Sony is no option for me b/c of poor lens selection - which might change sooner or later). I wonder if it really happens sometime in 2018/19, or if Canon will stay in the APS-C field with their M series... What do you guys think?
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Re: Burst shooting for landscape...umm
Well put. Now imagine a camera like that doing a burst of 200 images in 2 seconds at 100 megapixels and combining it into one picture. When finished, it will delete the 200 image-files and only save the stacked one at full resolution. By doing so, you wouldn't even have a problem with space on your memory card! Even if you'd shoot at ISO 102400, there would be almost zero noise left while details stay perfectly, except for eventual banding. Though I wonder when there will be a camera which does image stacking (on demand) in-camera - AND all the aligning work. Of course this is only applicable for mostly static shots. It should be possible today, but I think only cameras with processing power like the 1DX(2) might be able to do that in a reasonable amount of time - but I guess even that camera would still need a minute or two for proper aligning and stacking only a few images.
Heck, even a smartphone could do that stuff internally (which would basically eradicate almost all of the noise without loosing ANY details). I think it's just a matter of time until we see that tech properly implemented and functioning at good speed, easily usable for everyone.
btw; I think the EOS M10 for example does this in a limited fashion, when shooting in nightscape burst mode (3 shots combined into one picture). Very handy feature.
The EOS 6D also has a feature called multi-shot NR, but it does only stack the images, not align them. So it's use is very limited when you don't have a tripod with you.
privatebydesign said:
Well put. Now imagine a camera like that doing a burst of 200 images in 2 seconds at 100 megapixels and combining it into one picture. When finished, it will delete the 200 image-files and only save the stacked one at full resolution. By doing so, you wouldn't even have a problem with space on your memory card! Even if you'd shoot at ISO 102400, there would be almost zero noise left while details stay perfectly, except for eventual banding. Though I wonder when there will be a camera which does image stacking (on demand) in-camera - AND all the aligning work. Of course this is only applicable for mostly static shots. It should be possible today, but I think only cameras with processing power like the 1DX(2) might be able to do that in a reasonable amount of time - but I guess even that camera would still need a minute or two for proper aligning and stacking only a few images.
Heck, even a smartphone could do that stuff internally (which would basically eradicate almost all of the noise without loosing ANY details). I think it's just a matter of time until we see that tech properly implemented and functioning at good speed, easily usable for everyone.
btw; I think the EOS M10 for example does this in a limited fashion, when shooting in nightscape burst mode (3 shots combined into one picture). Very handy feature.
The EOS 6D also has a feature called multi-shot NR, but it does only stack the images, not align them. So it's use is very limited when you don't have a tripod with you.
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Re: Burst shooting for landscape...umm
Phones will never overcome the physics of small sensors, principally a lack of wide apertures.
Crosswind said:
Phones will never overcome the physics of small sensors, principally a lack of wide apertures.
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They still state that banding under fluorescent light is possible with silent shutter (Max Yuryev and Sony rep, discussion on sonyalpharumors). I had this issue with the A7rii in most churches, the only place I needed it during weddings. If this turns still out to be a problem, then the whole camera is much less interesting to me, as I don't see many advantages over our A7riis and 5divs.Jack Douglas said:
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Jack Douglas said:
Yep. This one was an example of "spray and have your prayers answered", but on IQ grounds alone it would have been a reject. Some might say it still is ;-)
I also have a ton of shots like the coastal landscape one posted by Don Haines further above - pray for spray?
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Steve, I would have post traumatic stress disorder after that one! However, in my few years at this revived hobby I'm finding that the unusual/unbelievable happens more often than one might think, so maybe there is hope for a repeat. 
Jack
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Regarding the OP it's like they say, the fine print is going to be where the problems reside.
Every time I look closely at photos of this "tiny" camera I think of gripping it and trying not to threaten it with destruction while using my 400 DO. That's close to how I now feel about the 6D where for me one finger really has nothing to grip. Many true fans/ potential customers are are expressing similar in their comments and it brings back memories of the CR debates regarding the wonderful small size.
Maybe the added grip will alleviate this.
Jack
Every time I look closely at photos of this "tiny" camera I think of gripping it and trying not to threaten it with destruction while using my 400 DO. That's close to how I now feel about the 6D where for me one finger really has nothing to grip. Many true fans/ potential customers are are expressing similar in their comments and it brings back memories of the CR debates regarding the wonderful small size.
Maybe the added grip will alleviate this.
Jack
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Sony A9 a skunk?
When I was 16 out hunting in the bush in late fall upon return to the station wagon and not far down the road was a road-kill skunk. Into taxidermy at that time, I wanted to skin that guy but the smell was .... I held my breath and heaved him into the open back and drove home with the windows down and the heater fan on full. Now ... when I got home and proceeded to find a place for him in the garage ... let's just say two parents were much displeased.
Never the less, the skunk got skinned and tanned!
Jack
When I was 16 out hunting in the bush in late fall upon return to the station wagon and not far down the road was a road-kill skunk. Into taxidermy at that time, I wanted to skin that guy but the smell was .... I held my breath and heaved him into the open back and drove home with the windows down and the heater fan on full. Now ... when I got home and proceeded to find a place for him in the garage ... let's just say two parents were much displeased.
Never the less, the skunk got skinned and tanned!
Jack
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I have a fantastic photo of a skunk spraying inside the house just as I opened the door to take a photo of it. The photo actually shows the spray arcing out of its tailend into the house. It missed me, but the house stank for weeks. Nothing takes skunk smell out of tile grouting, I found out. I thought it was turned the other way, but found out different.
Sorry for the derail. It was taken with a ff Canon, not a ML Sony. There, we're back on track.
Sorry for the derail. It was taken with a ff Canon, not a ML Sony. There, we're back on track.
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