Canon officially introduces the Canon EOS R1 flagship mirrorless king

[Richard CN]

These ’specs’ are no longer on their site.

That guy's coworkers today...

 

[AlanF]

It is fairly useless information.
All that matters is the performance of the camera not whatever they happen to name their image processor.

It’s not the name, it’s knowing what’s behind the name and the technology involved. If you are not interested in how things work but only in what they can do, fine. But, others actually like to understand and learn.

 

[mxwphoto]

Actually canon officially stated during release of R6mk2 that the digic X in the R6mk2 and in R3 is different and more advanced than the one in the previous cameras. That allowed better AF, Less overheating and some other benefits.
But I did expected totally new chip, and not the one used 2 years ago. Or maybe they have made new improvements and they will share it with press release like they did with R6mk2

Since the Digic X is now considered an abstract system as some have stated，I suppose therein lies my point that marketing has utterly failed and Canon is seriously doing themselves a disservice.

To the layman these processors are all the same since the naming convention presents it as such and therefore misconstrue the notion that new flagship product is using the same processor as things from 4 years ago or are of the same cloth as entry level products.

 

[koenkooi]

Since the Digic X is now considered an abstract system as some have stated，I suppose therein lies my point that marketing has utterly failed and Canon is seriously doing themselves a disservice.

To the layman these processors are all the same since the naming convention presents it as such and therefore misconstrue the notion that new flagship product is using the same processor as things from 4 years ago or are of the same cloth as entry level products.

The ‘layman’ isn’t the target market for the R1.

 

[Richard CN]

Since the Digic X is now considered an abstract system as some have stated，I suppose therein lies my point that marketing has utterly failed and Canon is seriously doing themselves a disservice.

To the layman these processors are all the same since the naming convention presents it as such and therefore misconstrue the notion that new flagship product is using the same processor as things from 4 years ago or are of the same cloth as entry level products.

People who purchase the R1 are not the normal consumers though.
These are people that will spend the 7 or 8,000 on a R1 will do so because they want the reliability, AF, performance, and the massive chunk of amperage to drive those nasty big whites as fast as possible.

Oh and be able to wedge the camera under the car when you need to replace a tire.

they won't care if it had one, 2 or even 10 DIGIC's inside. as long as it does the job.

 

[Emyr Evans]

People who purchase the R1 are not the normal consumers though.
These are people that will spend the 7 or 8,000 on a R1 will do so because they want the reliability, AF, performance, and the massive chunk of amperage to drive those nasty big whites as fast as possible.

Oh and be able to wedge the camera under the car when you need to replace a tire.

they won't care if it had one, 2 or even 10 DIGIC's inside. as long as it does the job.

Very true! That's me

 

[Richard CN]

Very true! That's me

which part? the car stand?

 

[CR Mod]

Since the Digic X is now considered an abstract system as some have stated，I suppose therein lies my point that marketing has utterly failed and Canon is seriously doing themselves a disservice.

To the layman these processors are all the same since the naming convention presents it as such and therefore misconstrue the notion that new flagship product is using the same processor as things from 4 years ago or are of the same cloth as entry level products.

Who cares what name is stuck on a processor if the camera does the business? The business is what sells products in this segment. Marketing capabilities of the product is a far better use of marketing resources than some piece of silicon inside a camera that very few people will actually ever lay their eyes on.

DIGIC X is already marketed as "deep learning".. that stuff will obviously be what pushes the marketing side of the product as it pertains to processing. Canon is also heavily invested/investing in lithography and a lot of it is done in-house.

I mean they could do "DIGIC X2 Pro Ultra Shogun Edition" and have pretty info-graphics ala an Apple presentation, but I really don't think many would care. A name doesn't quantify capability.

A Canon 1 Series product is a sum of its parts, and those parts have always been glorious (One can debate the EOS-1D Mark III), and the consumers already know with a high level of certainty it's going to kick butt.

The consumer spending thousands of dollars on a product that "does what my smartphone does", aren't "laymans". A large percentage of people buying say the EOS R100 are doing so because of price point... they really don't care about the "DIGIC 8", to them it's just one of a half a dozen feature logos on the box.

 

[koenkooi]

Who cares what name is stuck on a processor if the camera does the business? The business is what sells products in this segment.[...]

Let me introduce you to Sony influencers, who worship spec sheets!

 

[mxwphoto]

People who purchase the R1 are not the normal consumers though.
These are people that will spend the 7 or 8,000 on a R1 will do so because they want the reliability, AF, performance, and the massive chunk of amperage to drive those nasty big whites as fast as possible.

Oh and be able to wedge the camera under the car when you need to replace a tire.

they won't care if it had one, 2 or even 10 DIGIC's inside. as long as it does the job.

By that logic then why have naming conventions and marketing at all? After all the ones who would buy this camera would obviously be of such sophistication that they would know better than any as to whether they should buy it. Canon can save a boat load of marketing expense and forego having to wax poetics on its product as there is no point in trying to influence buyers who are in the pinnacle of the know.

 

[The Moderator]

By that logic then why have naming conventions and marketing at all? After all the ones who would buy this camera would obviously be of such sophistication that they would know better than any as to whether they should buy it. Canon can save a boat load of marketing expense and forego having to wax poetics on its product as there is no point in trying to influence buyers who are in the pinnacle of the know.

I hope you're not employed in the marketing department of a company I have shares in.

Move along.. you're on an island by yourself.

 

[DrMathochist]

Let me introduce you to Sony influencers, who worship spec sheets!

Who needs an introduction? just read these discussion threads and you'll trip over them left and right!

 

[Richard CN]

By that logic then why have naming conventions and marketing at all? After all the ones who would buy this camera would obviously be of such sophistication that they would know better than any as to whether they should buy it. Canon can save a boat load of marketing expense and forego having to wax poetics on its product as there is no point in trying to influence buyers who are in the pinnacle of the know.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

It’s not the name, it’s knowing what’s behind the name and the technology involved.

They never tell you that though.
They only give you a new name.

 

[bbasiaga]

So you jumped ship? And why would you still atay here.

I jumped back from the Sony ship, I'm not gonna waste amymore time with a company that treats their flagship like shit.

Yea, I would say R3 R6ii's DIGIC X is at least a gen 1.5.

Better SOCC image is the way, not wasting time in post-processing is great for anyone, regardless is newbie or veteran.

Especially for the primary target crowd, who often shoot JPGs and have deadlines measured in Minutes, not hours or Days. Something in camera that came even close to a DXO or Topaz deniose performance would get a lot of use.

Brian

 

[GMCPhotographics]

The current crop of Digic X tops out at approximately 900MP/s at 12-bit. The R3, R5 and R7 all have roughly the same throughput limitation, which is something that I hope will get improved in the R1/R5II.

A larger buffer and faster storage would be nice a well, but is secondary for me.

However, the current R7 has a higher through put (32.5mp x 30 fps = 975mb/s).
The rumoured R5ii specs suggest 45mp x 30fps…so that would indicate a throughput of 1350 mb/s. Which is 1.5x the previous model….oh look…the old maths formula for the next gen camera are true for the R series too!

 

[koenkooi]

However, the current R7 has a higher through put (32.5mp x 30 fps = 975mb/s).
The rumoured R5ii specs suggest 45mp x 30fps…so that would indicate a throughput of 1350 mb/s. Which is 1.5x the previous model….oh look…the old maths formula for the next gen camera are true for the R series too!

Don't forget the 1.16x to go from 12-bit to 14-bit, that would make it 1.75x.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

Don't forget the 1.16x to go from 12-bit to 14-bit, that would make it 1.75x.

However, the 40 fps fror the R7, R6ii and R8 is only achievable using the electronic shutter at 12bit. So the max throughput is at 12 bit.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

If we assume these throughput figures to be accurate, is the R1 will have 1.5x the processing capability of the R3, and assuming the frame rate is the same as the other newer cameras. The the R1 is likely to have a sensor in the 36mp region. The R5ii will have a max fps bump to 30 but retain the same resolution. However, the next round of cameras the fps should remain the same and the sensors could get a 1.5x increase in resolution. A R6iii @ 36mp and a R5iii @ 67mp.