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These awards always sound a bit silly. The 11-24 just has a silly price, but pristine optics
These awards always sound a bit silly. The 11-24 just has a silly price, but pristine optics
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None (meaning few) expected the 7DII to be a high DR body. The people asking for improved DR and improved noise from the sensor (including me) are talking about the high end FF cameras. The 7DII was way beyond what I expected. It is (in my view) clearly the best crop camera available (I bought one). 10fps, the AF system and a rather impressive list of features, combined with a reasonable sensor performance (clearly not great, but still), makes this a great camera for the price. Award well earned.
But that does not remove the fact that Canon's FF sensors, including the 50,6MP beast in the 5DS is way behind Sony on (low ISO) DR and (most likely, but I'll await proper test reports) also noise.
John, again I think you have this around the wrong foot and the tone of your post is a bit silly.neuroanatomist said:
None (meaning few) expected the 7DII to be a high DR body. The people asking for improved DR and improved noise from the sensor (including me) are talking about the high end FF cameras. The 7DII was way beyond what I expected. It is (in my view) clearly the best crop camera available (I bought one). 10fps, the AF system and a rather impressive list of features, combined with a reasonable sensor performance (clearly not great, but still), makes this a great camera for the price. Award well earned.
But that does not remove the fact that Canon's FF sensors, including the 50,6MP beast in the 5DS is way behind Sony on (low ISO) DR and (most likely, but I'll await proper test reports) also noise.
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Thus, the implication that the award was bought and paid for by Canon, and thus the 3rd post in this thread was:
Yes, it was intended to be flippant, but that doesn't chance the nature of the initial complaints about the 7DII from 'the usual suspects'.
Eldar said:
Thus, the implication that the award was bought and paid for by Canon, and thus the 3rd post in this thread was:
LetTheRightLensIn said:
Eldar said:
Yes, it was intended to be flippant, but that doesn't chance the nature of the initial complaints about the 7DII from 'the usual suspects'.
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As a 7D II owner I am a bit surprised it won an award.
I'm on an upward curve of satisfaction with the 7D2 (as described here at one stage on a post from Lensrentals or somewhere). My initial reaction with it was disappointment. The 10 FPS is excellent, the viewfinder is really clear (not sure how come but its crystal clear), the focusing is very good. For sport its amazing what you can get with 10 FPS that 6 FPS doesn't quite catch. A 1DX must be great fun.
I haven't been over impressed with image quality on the 7D II.
I find I can't crop pictures very much without signs of that showing up.
I'm a bit spoilt by the 5D III.
Maybe its won because it has the best image quality of an APS-C sensor but I'd be surprised if that was the case. Either that or there has been no progress on image quality on APS-C sensors.
The Olympus OM-D E....? II seems to be able to match or better them with a smaller sensor.
Maybe there isn't much competition in that category this year
The 100-400 on the other hand is a great lens and works very well on both the 5DIII and 7DII.
Combined with the 7DII lowlight performance isn't great as the ISO performance of the 7D II doesn't match the 5DIII at all. I'd have thought they could have improved the ISO performance more.
I'll be really interest to see photos from the 11-24mm to see how good this is. It's very attractive with a high price on its head. I like wide angle - I'll have to start saving or sell a kidney.
As a 7D II owner I am a bit surprised it won an award.
I'm on an upward curve of satisfaction with the 7D2 (as described here at one stage on a post from Lensrentals or somewhere). My initial reaction with it was disappointment. The 10 FPS is excellent, the viewfinder is really clear (not sure how come but its crystal clear), the focusing is very good. For sport its amazing what you can get with 10 FPS that 6 FPS doesn't quite catch. A 1DX must be great fun.
I haven't been over impressed with image quality on the 7D II.
I find I can't crop pictures very much without signs of that showing up.
I'm a bit spoilt by the 5D III.
Maybe its won because it has the best image quality of an APS-C sensor but I'd be surprised if that was the case. Either that or there has been no progress on image quality on APS-C sensors.
The Olympus OM-D E....? II seems to be able to match or better them with a smaller sensor.
Maybe there isn't much competition in that category this year
The 100-400 on the other hand is a great lens and works very well on both the 5DIII and 7DII.
Combined with the 7DII lowlight performance isn't great as the ISO performance of the 7D II doesn't match the 5DIII at all. I'd have thought they could have improved the ISO performance more.
I'll be really interest to see photos from the 11-24mm to see how good this is. It's very attractive with a high price on its head. I like wide angle - I'll have to start saving or sell a kidney.
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Really interesting link.
Couldn't agree at all about what that link says about cropability.
What does anyone else with a 7D Mark II think?
Really interesting link.
Couldn't agree at all about what that link says about cropability.
What does anyone else with a 7D Mark II think?
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I agree with what Jake said in the link completely. As I posted in that thread, I attribute a lot of the increased cropability that I have found with the 7DII (compared to the 7D) to having things in much better focus with the 7DII. There are a lot of heavily cropped 7DII images on POTN that show it can be done.
Hector1970 said:
I agree with what Jake said in the link completely. As I posted in that thread, I attribute a lot of the increased cropability that I have found with the 7DII (compared to the 7D) to having things in much better focus with the 7DII. There are a lot of heavily cropped 7DII images on POTN that show it can be done.
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I guess its perspective too.
I don't know how bad the 7D was for cropability. Maybe it was very bad.
It depends too how clean and image you want after a crop or what size you intend to print or what you are doing with your prints.
Stand a few feet back and it probably looks fine. My eyesight is too good. As I get older everything will look better.
The 5D III has ruined my perspective. Maybe its too good.
I have a 500D as well and I find the 7D II not much an improvement on it. Maybe I had a good copy of a 500D and not so good copy of a 7D II.
I guess its perspective too.
I don't know how bad the 7D was for cropability. Maybe it was very bad.
It depends too how clean and image you want after a crop or what size you intend to print or what you are doing with your prints.
Stand a few feet back and it probably looks fine. My eyesight is too good. As I get older everything will look better.
The 5D III has ruined my perspective. Maybe its too good.
I have a 500D as well and I find the 7D II not much an improvement on it. Maybe I had a good copy of a 500D and not so good copy of a 7D II.
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Not so much perspective, I think. I had no problem cropping 7D images quite dramatically. I just get more shots with the 7DII that are in sharp focus, which means more images that can be cropped. Again, there is sufficient evidence across the web that 7DII images can be cropped dramatically and yield sharp, detailed images. I am not going to speculate on why you are not having good results, as there could be many reasons (including a bad copy), but I feel comfortable concluding that it is not a general problem with the 7DII, or else these sharp, cropped images that are out there would not be out there.
Not so much perspective, I think. I had no problem cropping 7D images quite dramatically. I just get more shots with the 7DII that are in sharp focus, which means more images that can be cropped. Again, there is sufficient evidence across the web that 7DII images can be cropped dramatically and yield sharp, detailed images. I am not going to speculate on why you are not having good results, as there could be many reasons (including a bad copy), but I feel comfortable concluding that it is not a general problem with the 7DII, or else these sharp, cropped images that are out there would not be out there.
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Two main reasons I returned the camera. The EVF did not meet my expectations. Outdoors (even at the highest setting) it was too dark, and indoors too light. This effectively minimized the advantage of WYSIWYG that an EVF can provide. The EVF is not as good as the Olympus OM-D EM-1, which I have.
The other reason was not the camera, but the lens. With a minimum budget, I needed the kit lens to be relatively good. I knew it probably wouldn't be as good as my 24-105 L, but the lens was noticeably soft on almost the entire right side. Whether it was the lens or the shutter shock issue that some have talked about, I don't know.
I know many are happy using the Sony A7 with adapter and their Canon lenses, but I did not try that route. While many have had success with the various adapters, I have also read numerous user experiences that have said that the focus peaking is not always reliable and Auto focus is very slow and not reliable either. According to manufacturer websites, most adapters will not auto focus with the 24-105 L, although some user reviews contradict this.
The A7 II also under-exposed by a stop on most shots (but not all). I found that in the days that I had it, none of my shots required those extra 2 stops of DR.
This is not to say that the Sony is not a good camera. If it were not for the lousy (and perhaps faulty) lens, I would have given it a longer and more thorough test. With the bad lens, I figured I better return it before I dropped the camera or something!
For those that need to rely on the Sony lenses (their other lens, the Sony FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS Zeiss Vario-Tessar gets really lousy reviews on SLR gear) you might want to think twice about this camera. People often talk about "the system" when comparing cameras - not just the sensor. Well, the sensor may be excellent on this camera, but the system isn't there yet. Based on the lenses and the disappointing EVF, I returned the camera. The only thing that would make me consider this camera in the future is its compact size. That, more than the sensor, was quite appealing compared to the Canon 6D.
Dylan777 said:
Two main reasons I returned the camera. The EVF did not meet my expectations. Outdoors (even at the highest setting) it was too dark, and indoors too light. This effectively minimized the advantage of WYSIWYG that an EVF can provide. The EVF is not as good as the Olympus OM-D EM-1, which I have.
The other reason was not the camera, but the lens. With a minimum budget, I needed the kit lens to be relatively good. I knew it probably wouldn't be as good as my 24-105 L, but the lens was noticeably soft on almost the entire right side. Whether it was the lens or the shutter shock issue that some have talked about, I don't know.
I know many are happy using the Sony A7 with adapter and their Canon lenses, but I did not try that route. While many have had success with the various adapters, I have also read numerous user experiences that have said that the focus peaking is not always reliable and Auto focus is very slow and not reliable either. According to manufacturer websites, most adapters will not auto focus with the 24-105 L, although some user reviews contradict this.
The A7 II also under-exposed by a stop on most shots (but not all). I found that in the days that I had it, none of my shots required those extra 2 stops of DR.
This is not to say that the Sony is not a good camera. If it were not for the lousy (and perhaps faulty) lens, I would have given it a longer and more thorough test. With the bad lens, I figured I better return it before I dropped the camera or something!
For those that need to rely on the Sony lenses (their other lens, the Sony FE 24-70mm f/4 ZA OSS Zeiss Vario-Tessar gets really lousy reviews on SLR gear) you might want to think twice about this camera. People often talk about "the system" when comparing cameras - not just the sensor. Well, the sensor may be excellent on this camera, but the system isn't there yet. Based on the lenses and the disappointing EVF, I returned the camera. The only thing that would make me consider this camera in the future is its compact size. That, more than the sensor, was quite appealing compared to the Canon 6D.
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if it helps or provides comedy there a lame guy in nyc the bronx named kiefer dixon on facebook thats hates on people who own 5D Mark 3 and 7D Mark 2 cameras he annointed himself best photog in nyc while using an old run down t3i living with his mom pretending too be a air traffic controller lol he will hate on folks badly
if it helps or provides comedy there a lame guy in nyc the bronx named kiefer dixon on facebook thats hates on people who own 5D Mark 3 and 7D Mark 2 cameras he annointed himself best photog in nyc while using an old run down t3i living with his mom pretending too be a air traffic controller lol
he will hate on folks badly
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Yes, because a JPG HDR mode and a bulb mode make for a ground-breaking win. Maybe it deserves an award, but if those are the things mentioned, come on, it's a joke award, just like most awards of these sort.
dak723 said:
Yes, because a JPG HDR mode and a bulb mode make for a ground-breaking win. Maybe it deserves an award, but if those are the things mentioned, come on, it's a joke award, just like most awards of these sort.
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yah, jpg HDR and bulb mode and intervalometer are mega-innovation.
maybe they do, maybe they don't, but don't use silly awards like this to judge either way
Don Haines said:
yah, jpg HDR and bulb mode and intervalometer are mega-innovation.
maybe they do, maybe they don't, but don't use silly awards like this to judge either way
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Seriously?
You picked those three points out of the whole list. From the TIPA site . . .
THAT's why they say it won the award.
LetTheRightLensIn said:
Seriously?
You picked those three points out of the whole list. From the TIPA site . . .
THAT's why they say it won the award.
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More like you conveniently clipped out the "The jury highlighted such “exciting” features as HDR (High Dynamic Range) and Multiple Exposure modes, as well as an intervalometer and a bulb timer for long exposure capture.". That is what proves it to all be a joke. (And if a Nikon or someone else wins an industry award it's usually the same nonsense, most of these awards are just fluff.)
If they had highlighted large buffer, 10fps, advanced AF system combined with high reach, then fine. But they highlight ridiculous stuff and then just randomly list the Canon product spec sheet list.
fragilesi said:
More like you conveniently clipped out the "The jury highlighted such “exciting” features as HDR (High Dynamic Range) and Multiple Exposure modes, as well as an intervalometer and a bulb timer for long exposure capture.". That is what proves it to all be a joke. (And if a Nikon or someone else wins an industry award it's usually the same nonsense, most of these awards are just fluff.)
If they had highlighted large buffer, 10fps, advanced AF system combined with high reach, then fine. But they highlight ridiculous stuff and then just randomly list the Canon product spec sheet list.
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