Canon RF 300-600mm f/5.6L IS USM, Here We Go Again

200-500mm L f4 or 300-600mm L f4 (w IQ of the 100-300mm L f2.8) please --- don't care how heavy or how much... enough with the pedestrian lenses please... I don't even consider the 100-500mm worthy of L designation based on image quality
I guess pretty much every reviewer and user of this lens (other than you) that finds the image quality to be excellent must be mistaken. Or maybe you are. If you can't get great image quality from the RF 100-500, it's not the lens's fault.
 
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Owning the RF 100-300mm F2.8, I can't see myself buying an RF 300-600mm F5.6. I would buy the Sigma 300-600mm F4 in a heartbeat if it were available for Canon mount, despite the weight. I will admit my EF 600mm F4 II, which weighs as much as the Sigma, is getting a bit heavy. But the extra flexibility of 300-600mm F4 at $6K would get me to jump on it.
I totally agree with what you say here. That RF 100-300 2.8 and 300-600 f/4 would be a killer combination for low light wildlife photography. I sure wish Canon would come out with an f/4 version of the 300-600, or Sigma would come out with it in RF mount.
 
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If it's based on the $10,000 RF 100-300 f2.8 why would it be well below $10,000 ? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

I'd much rather have a version ii of the 100-300mm f2.8 with builtin 1.4x and 2x extenders and I would expect to pay accordingly
If it's based on the $10,000 RF 100-300 f2.8 why would it be well below $10,000 ? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. F5.6!
 
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If it's based on the $10,000 RF 100-300 f2.8 why would it be well below $10,000 ? Sounds like wishful thinking to me. F5.6!
A f/2.8 lens with 2x extenders = f/5.6
If it's based on the 100-300mm and same build quality it's basically a variation on the same body design with many shared components included the same front element so why would it be cheaper than the lens it's based on ?
 
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Complete garbage - just look at the crops I posted yesterday of the RF 100-500mm vs the EF 600mm f/.4 iii, RF 100-300mm + 2x TC. And also look at Canon's own MTFs and other reviews. The RF 100-500mm is stellar.

It is the slowest L lens that Canon makes (other than the 1200mm f8) and useless in many low light situations... my copy is not nearly as sharp as my 100-300mm w/ 1.4TC (resolution is only part of the sharpness equation)... if Canon gets it together and produces a 200-500mm L f4 or 300-600mm L f4, I will punt it immediately upon delivery ... I am happy that you find it useful though
 
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It is the slowest L lens that Canon makes (other than the 1200mm f8) and useless in many low light situations... my copy is not nearly as sharp as my 100-300mm w/ 1.4TC (resolution is only part of the sharpness equation)... if Canon gets it together and produces a 200-500mm L f4 or 300-600mm L f4, I will punt it immediately upon delivery ... I am happy that you find it useful though
You made a sweeping statement about the lens based on its image quality, not its aperture, slowness or anything else.
I don't even consider the 100-500mm worthy of L designation based on image quality
So, explain how you can make such a generalized judgement on just your experience and ignore all the evidence out there?
I guess pretty much every reviewer and user of this lens (other than you) that finds the image quality to be excellent must be mistaken. Or maybe you are. If you can't get great image quality from the RF 100-500, it's not the lens's fault.
 
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The EF 100-400L II was my second-often used lens, after a 35mm WA. It was tack-sharp wide open from 100mm to 400mm, even with a1,4X extender.
The RF 100-500, based on my subjective opinion, is even a little better! This lens is a superb achievement by Canon!
Only f/7,1 at 500mm? With IBIS, OIS, modern sensors and Topaz NR: A false issue, unless you often need a wider aperture in dark environments, and are ready to shell out $12000...
 
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The EF 100-400L II was my second-often used lens, after a 35mm WA. It was tack-sharp wide open from 100mm to 400mm, even with a1,4X extender.
The RF 100-500, based on my subjective opinion, is even a little better! This lens is a superb achievement by Canon!
Only f/7,1 at 500mm? With IBIS, OIS, modern sensors and Topaz NR: A false issue, unless you often need a wider aperture in dark environments, and are ready to shell out $12000...
500 5.6 primes from the other brands are more like $3k
 
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I would be happy if they just matched the Nikon 200-500 5.6,
or refined the 100-500 7.1, which I have due to lack of choice,
it is not a stellar lens but glass that fits a hole. It may be a top seller, but that is surely due to lack of choice.
I shoot NHL only when upstairs and CFL with the 100-500 and miss focus far too often.
 
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I guess pretty much every reviewer and user of this lens (other than you) that finds the image quality to be excellent must be mistaken. Or maybe you are. If you can't get great image quality from the RF 100-500, it's not the lens's fault.
I would generally agree. I have been disappointed with the 100-500 at times but have found it can be critically sharp but that is with critically careful focusing for me. I use it for telephoto landscape and I have to zoom focus to ensure it is tack sharp in focus manually as autofocus tends to produce soft results for me in that scenario. If I manually focus I have found it to be pretty sharp. I trusted autofocus too much in the beginning with this lens and was often disappointed.
 
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You made a sweeping statement about the lens based on its image quality, not its aperture, slowness or anything else.

So, explain how you can make such a generalized judgement on just your experience and ignore all the evidence out there?
Image quality entails much more than resolution... micro contrast and noise in the shadows under copious shooting situations is below the threshold I consider excellent for that lens. There are obviously many others who shoot within conditions and/or have a standard such that they are willing to accept the limitations of the lens and get results that they are happy with.
 
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I guess pretty much every reviewer and user of this lens (other than you) that finds the image quality to be excellent must be mistaken. Or maybe you are. If you can't get great image quality from the RF 100-500, it's not the lens's fault.
I don't render opinions based upon the masses. Many aren't willing and/or able to purchase and/or handle large, heavy, expensive lenses to shoot in the conditions that I do. The eye is the great discriminator and we have different standards.

By your logic the RF 200-800mm, which received a compiled 4.5 rating by 192 reviewers on B&H, is an excellent lens.?.? That is the same 4.5 rating that 480 viewers attribute to the RF 100-500mm. So, if the 200-800mm was more weather resistant does it deserve "L" status in your world?
 
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I don't render opinions based upon the masses. Many aren't willing and/or able to purchase and/or handle large, heavy, expensive lenses to shoot in the conditions that I do. The eye is the great discriminator and we have different standards.

By your logic the RF 200-800mm, which received a compiled 4.5 rating by 192 reviewers on B&H, is an excellent lens.?.? That is the same 4.5 rating that 480 viewers attribute to the RF 100-500mm. So, if the 200-800mm was more weather resistant does it deserve "L" status in your world?
Comparing reviewers and expert opinions to ratings on B&H? Absolutely not the same and not even close to the same level. It´s almost like comparing facts with the current presidents opinion. The latter just misses any kind of prove.
 
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In order to be a successful lens the price point has to be uncanonlike "low". Going for f5.6 should come along with a lower pricer tag. addition, If the f.number is lower than the competition it should reflect on the price.

Sonys and Sigmas offering are (hopefully) putting pressure on Canon this time. Usually Canon really doesn't care, but as people have mentioned in this thread, if a second body plus a lens saves you money compared to getting a canon lens, that really raises the pressure. Plus, once people buy into a second system they might buy more lenses from Sigma e.g.
 
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