Canon RF Supertelephoto Lenses with built-in Extenders Appear in Latest Patent

Possibly too niche but perhaps Canon could make a RF 300mm f/2.0 based on the RF 600mm f/4 with a builtin 1.4x extender which would make it a 420mm f/2.8 and if you added an external 1.4x extender it would be a 600mm f/4
Pretty versatile lens especially if it has a shortish minimum focus distance of about 2m and if the weight is less than 3.5kg
Ideally if possible a builtin 1.4x and 2x extender so you have 3 primes in one lens and presumably lighter than a 300-600 zoom and so much brighter on the wide end.
300mm f/2.0
420mm f/2.8
600mm f/4
 
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Possibly too niche but perhaps Canon could make a RF 300mm f/2.0 based on the RF 600mm f/4 with a builtin 1.4x extender which would make it a 420mm f/2.8 and if you added an external 1.4x extender it would be a 600mm f/4
Pretty versatile lens especially if it has a shortish minimum focus distance of about 2m and if the weight is less than 3.5kg
300 f2, must be tempting, but couldn't a traditional zoom design 300 to 600 f4 zoom be more marketable?
 
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BTW why are there no lenses with Carbon barrels, it’s light and it looks cool.:cool:
The answer to your question (according to Copilot):

“Carbon fiber is indeed a fascinating material known for its lightweight and robust properties, but it hasn't become standard for photo lens barrels for several reasons:

1. **Precision and Stability**: Lens barrels need to maintain extremely tight tolerances for aligning optical elements. Metal, such as aluminum or magnesium alloys, is more stable and resistant to temperature fluctuations than carbon fiber, which can slightly expand or contract in changing conditions. This stability ensures optical performance.

2. **Manufacturing Complexities**: Carbon fiber is more challenging and costly to mold or machine into precise shapes compared to metals. The weaving process of carbon fiber also creates anisotropic properties, meaning its strength is not uniform in all directions, which can be problematic for lens designs.

3. **Durability and Rigidity**: Metals are better suited to handle impacts and wear-and-tear over time compared to carbon fiber, which can be susceptible to cracking or delaminating under stress.

4. **Cost**: Incorporating carbon fiber into lens barrels would significantly raise production costs, making the lenses less accessible to most photographers without offering proportional benefits.”
 
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The answer to your question (according to Copilot):

“Carbon fiber is indeed a fascinating material known for its lightweight and robust properties, but it hasn't become standard for photo lens barrels for several reasons:

1. **Precision and Stability**: Lens barrels need to maintain extremely tight tolerances for aligning optical elements. Metal, such as aluminum or magnesium alloys, is more stable and resistant to temperature fluctuations than carbon fiber, which can slightly expand or contract in changing conditions. This stability ensures optical performance.

2. **Manufacturing Complexities**: Carbon fiber is more challenging and costly to mold or machine into precise shapes compared to metals. The weaving process of carbon fiber also creates anisotropic properties, meaning its strength is not uniform in all directions, which can be problematic for lens designs.

3. **Durability and Rigidity**: Metals are better suited to handle impacts and wear-and-tear over time compared to carbon fiber, which can be susceptible to cracking or delaminating under stress.

4. **Cost**: Incorporating carbon fiber into lens barrels would significantly raise production costs, making the lenses less accessible to most photographers without offering proportional benefits.”
I’ve read that the hoods for the ‘great white’ lenses are carbon fiber. Not sure if that’s true, and I’m not planning to cut mine open to find out.
 
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I’ve read that the hoods for the ‘great white’ lenses are carbon fiber. Not sure if that’s true, and I’m not planning to cut mine open to find out.
I always see that mentioned in the context of “why is a replacement $400?!?”, which makes me think they might not actually be CF, just priced to be what the market will bear :)
 
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With DO lenses and Carbon barrel it might relatively light.

BTW why are there no lenses with Carbon barrels, it’s light and it looks cool.:cool:
Carbon fibre will fail catastrophically if you chip the edge of it which is why it's a really unsafe material for racing car wheels. If you bump the edge of the lens on any sharp point it will shatter
 
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300 f2, must be tempting, but couldn't a traditional zoom design 300 to 600 f4 zoom be more marketable?
A 300-600mm f/4 has only f/4 on the wide end but 300mm f/2 would be amazing on it's own with the option of flicking a switch to make it 420mm f/2.8 or 600mm f/4 (assuming it's feasible to make a lens with both 1.4x and 2x internal extenders).
Also a 300mm f/2 with these extenders builtin should be only slightly heavier than a 600mm f/4
There was a patent for a switchable 1.4x and 2x back in 2019: https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-switchable-1-4x-2-0x-teleconverter/
 
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A 300-600mm f/4 has only f/4 on the wide end but 300mm f/2 would be amazing on it's own with the option of flicking a switch to make it 420mm f/2.8 or 600mm f/4 (assuming it's feasible to make a lens with both 1.4x and 2x internal extenders).
Also a 300mm f/2 with these extenders builtin should be only slightly heavier than a 600mm f/4
There was a patent for a switchable 1.4x and 2x back in 2019: https://www.canonrumors.com/patent-switchable-1-4x-2-0x-teleconverter/
I'd be very tempted by an ultra-lightweight 300mm f/2.8 but I can't see Canon producing one as they have the 100-300mm zoom. There's a surplus of used EF 300mm f/2.8 ii on sale here if you don't mind a heavier alternative.
 
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I'd be very tempted by an ultra-lightweight 300mm f/2.8 but I can't see Canon producing one as they have the 100-300mm zoom. There's a surplus of used EF 300mm f/2.8 ii on sale here if you don't mind a heavier alternative.
I'm suggesting a 300mm f/2.0 not f/2.8 and I found out Canon made a 300mm f/1.8 once: only 4 copies are known to exist and they were made for horse racing finishing cameras: https://petapixel.com/2017/04/27/canon-300mm-f1-8-yes-monster-lens-exists/
and even made a one off manual focus 400mm f/2.0: https://petapixel.com/2021/09/23/no-one-can-seem-to-identify-this-canon-400mm-f-2-lens/
 
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I'm suggesting a 300mm f/2.0 not f/2.8 and I found out Canon made a 300mm f/1.8 once: only 4 copies are known to exist and they were made for horse racing finishing cameras: https://petapixel.com/2017/04/27/canon-300mm-f1-8-yes-monster-lens-exists/
and even made a one off manual focus 400mm f/2.0: https://petapixel.com/2021/09/23/no-one-can-seem-to-identify-this-canon-400mm-f-2-lens/
Suspended above the finishing line? Otherwise the nearer and further runners would disappear into the bokeh!
 
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I spent a couple of months with the Nikon 400 with 1.4x built in, and it suffered a bit in IQ. It was tweaked within that period, and was a little better but still wasn't as good as an RF 400 with a 1.4x attached.

Such a handy option to have, I found myself using it quite a bit where I wouldn't add/remove an external 1.4x. But the IQ would have to be great, as handy as it was I found the quality wasn't where I wanted it to be. And at an RRP of $25k AUD I would have wanted perfection.

I never used a 200-400 that didn't take a noticeable hit with the 1.4x engaged.
Sounds like an issue with that copy. I don’t notice an IQ hit at all in my copy when activating the 1.4x.

I know some IQ degradation happens, such is the case with any TC, but it’s not noticeable or worth worrying about with 45MP and typical post processing.
 
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Suspended above the finishing line? Otherwise the nearer and further runners would disappear into the bokeh!
Probably not as they would have the camera far enough away that the depth of field would cover the winning group okay (remember the horses would be very close together at the finish rather than spread across the course).
For example at 30m the depth of field is over a meter
 
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