Canon will soon announce the Canon EOS R8 and Canon EOS R50 along with two new kit lenses

[bergstrom]

R9 (RP2) supposedly coming around the end of 2023

 

[Maximilian]

So it is now safe to say that the R8 will be a FF ? The Editors had been treating the R8 as a crop sensor camera until recently!

Safe? No!
But interesting though. Yeah!

Question:
Would an FF R8 be more an R or an RP successor.
If the later it would become interesting to me, depending on size, IBIS and sensor used.

R9 (RP2) supposedly coming around the end of 2023

Do you think about two FF below the R7 APS-C?
I don't really. Let the R8 be a better equipped and therefore somewhat more expensive RP successor.

 

[Swerky]

The R8 costing exactly the same as the R7 would not make a lot of sense to me.

But it will probably have a single sd slot with slower continuous speed. That might help introduce ibis in the R8 at that cost. But I guess you're right. I'm just hoping. Canon isn't competing with Fuji to introduce a competitive model to the X-S10.

 

[bbasiaga]

Interesting how the talk of the 24-50mm lens is much like that of the 24-105STM and f/11s. "horrible", "DOA", "Useless". But then somehow they sell well. Compact, reasonable IQ, fast enough for many, many situations and types of photos. I guess we will see where this one lands.

-Brian

 

[Swerky]

If the R8 is comparable with the R6 (I can renounce the double slot, which surely wont be there, and drive speed could be even 1fps I don't care, but not much else), my R6 will be on the market asap.

Why would you want to downgrade? You have the R6. What's the point in selling and buying? If the R6 was too much for you to start with, why didn't you get the R?

 

[flaviojzk]

RF-S 55-210 does make a lot of sense but the RF-S 18-150 makes it less necessary that an RF-S 10-18 or 11-22.

There will be 2 types of kits for the apsc cameras, more expensive: 11-22 (we hope), 18-150 and 100-400; more entry level: 18-45 and 55-210.

 

[Maximilian]

I have never had a camera with a top LCD. What makes it such a good feature on the R and R5?

TBH and when I think about it, I just use my top LCD (5D4) for a quick check of exposure mode, actual exposure settings, and - of course - battery level.
So nothing you can't do with your back LCD or a good EVF.

 

[Stig Nygaard]

The R8 costing exactly the same as the R7 would not make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfectly sense to me.

R7 is a fast, feature-rich, relatively small/light (including the lenses) - but APS-C sensor camera..
R8 will be a slower, bigger/heavier (at least with the lenses), probably less feature-rich, but fullframe camera.

Different target groups. Which camera people prefers, will depend completely on personal preferences or the kind of photography it is going to be used for. Just different ways to go with the same money...

 

[elephant_man]

Still hoping for an R5 MKII announcement soon. Why does Canon let the competition continually move ahead with its higher MP cameras?

 

[Maximilian]

Why does Canon let the competition continually move ahead with its higher MP cameras?

Because MP is "just a number". It's the overall package that counts.
And believe me, Canon was always aiming for the MP high score. So just be patient.
Personally, I like less MP more, if S/N and high ISO performance is better.

 

[scyrene]

Fwiw on the subject of the top LCD I haven't missed it at all; as for using it to quickly check settings, I keep the camera switched off unless expecting to take images imminently as battery life is rather lower than on DSLRs I used in the past, so I wouldn't be able to use it for that even if there was one on the R6.

 

[mkamelg]

As the owner of the R6 Mark II, I will be happy to welcome another full-frame body without image stabilization built-in, or with built-in image stabilization known from the R6 and R5 models. Why? This is why.

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It rattles the worst when the camera is pointed downwards (with the lens towards the ground), which is probably how most people carry equipment in a bag or backpack.

How to minimize this rattle when moving around the city with the camera in a bag or backpack? Place the camera in the bag or backpack as it is usually carried in sling bags or backpacks (for example https://cdn.lowepro.com/media/catal...-slingshot-edge150-stuffed-4c-lp36898-pww.jpg). Yes, I checked it personally. In this way, I put the R6 Mark II camera with the RF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM lens attached to it. With this arrangement of this combination of camera and lens, there is silence in the bag or backpack.

 

[kmrahe]

So it looks like the R50 might finally be a practical RF-mount replacement for the M50. I wonder what effect this will have on the R10, though, especially if the R50 is even slightly more capable than the M50, as there is much more of a gap between the M50 and the R10 in terms of price than there is in terms of capability. I think such an R50 would possibly siphon off a number of R10 sales. (Just for the record, I got my M50 just eight months ago and don't ever see myself regretting that decision.)

 

[nunataks]

I feel like Canon isn't even trying to be innovative anymore - like they literally had a small and light 55-250 back in the EF-s days that ended at f/5.6...now they just are like, nah custies won't care!

 

[entoman]

I have never had a camera with a top LCD. What makes it such a good feature on the R and R5?

Well I've got an R5 with the top LCD, and my view is that it's just a cosmetic feature designed to make the camera look more upmarket. In terms of everyday practical usage, I much prefer the standard mechanical mode dial of the R6, and I've never found any value or need personally for a top plate display. More than happy to just have the shooting info via EVF and the flippy screen.

 

[John Wilde]

What sensor will the R50 have? Same as M50? Basically just a R rehousing of the M?

Perhaps the same sensor as the R10, but with some R10 features omitted.

With the M50 (DPR) "the 4K/24p video is heavily cropped and you can't use the camera's dual-pixel autofocus (it's contrast-detection only)". I expect the R50 to at least have DPAF for 4K video.

 

[pzyber]

I feel like Canon isn't even trying to be innovative anymore - like they literally had a small and light 55-250 back in the EF-s days that ended at f/5.6...now they just are like, nah custies won't care!

That was a DSLR lens though and DSLRs lenses are limited to F5.6 since a lot of cameras won't focus with slower lenses (too little light hits the AF-sensor). So Canon couldn't release slower AF-lenses for them, it was a technical limitation.
Using slower lenses on a DSLR also means darker viewfinder. At F8 or slower the viewfinder beomes really dark and already at F5.6 it's quite dim already.

The current mirrorless cameras can achieve focus at F/22 so that's a big difference compared to F5.6 for DSLRs.
Also, nowdays with mirrorless it seems like the priority has shifted towards smaller and cheaper lenses that wasn't possible before. And that seems to be what sells to the masses.
For people like me that wants/needs faster, better quality glass and don't care that much about size, we got the L range that will continue to expand.

 

[josephandrews222]

Some things in life I will never understand; some of those same things are wonderful (my wife of four decades), but I still don't understand.

Canon's elimination of their M bodies and EF-M lenses...fits this category.

Google Maps tells me our destination come Super Bowl Sunday is a 1,600 mile drive south from our home (we're flying, thank you).

Our trip is a week in duration, my goal is to go 'carry-on' as far as travel bags are concerned; planning is underway.

A bit of birding is a possibility at our destination, along with standard travel pics.

So...my 5DIII/EF 100-400II/17-40L combination will not be making the trip ...will be replaced by M6MkII/EF-M 11-22/18-150/viewfinder + M-adapted 70-300 IS II...along with batteries, chargers and a flash unit. Don't laugh, I've had great luck with this kit...the 70-300 II is pretty darned good, especially when combined with the sensor inside the M6MkII.

Every bit of volume and mass reduction matters. I remain an R hold-out (my 5DMkIII has aged well) and will likely make that jump when the R5II hits the marketplace.

In the meantime, Canon's letter 'M' continues to make me smile. As Canon appears to prepare to flood the market with low-cost R bodies and lenses, I still don't understand.

 

[nunataks]

That was a DSLR lens though and DSLRs lenses are limited to F5.6 since a lot of cameras won't focus with slower lenses (too little light hits the AF-sensor). So Canon couldn't release slower AF-lenses for them, it was a technical limitation.
Using slower lenses on a DSLR also means darker viewfinder. At F8 or slower the viewfinder beomes really dark and already at F5.6 it's quite dim already.

The current mirrorless cameras can achieve focus at F/22 so that's a big difference compared to F5.6 for DSLRs.
Also, nowdays with mirrorless it seems like the priority has shifted towards smaller and cheaper lenses that wasn't possible before. And that seems to be what sells to the masses.
For people like me that wants/needs faster, better quality glass and don't care that much about size, we got the L range that will continue to expand.

I am aware of the focusing limitations, but that lens was already small and had a faster aperture. Hell, even the EF-M one was still faster at f/6.3 despite being tiny. Canon is going the wrong direction and being lazy, and it's showing.

 

[Skux]

Any bets on R8 resolution? I'm going with 24 MP. Same sensor as the R6 Mk II.

Agreed, I think that this will be the R6 II stripped of IBIS, dual slots, and with a big nerf to shooting speed. They'll probably remove a control dial too.