Canon's Full Frame Future [CR2]

[meywd]

In practical reality, I don't see canon users selling their equipment to jump entirely to sony. I can see myself adding a A7Rii to my 5D3 but I still need a native mount camera.

With Sony having a lot less lenses, especially the ones needed for high MP bodies that would not be possible... Just remember there are no real Ultra Wides, no in any way realistically priced Great White ones, (nearly) no very fast primes and only some MF primes for Sony ... most of the rest is not even worse mentioning. And the best 55 and 85mm lens in the world is not even produced for Sony Mount ... although it is a Zeiss lens ... strange but true ... ;D

I think he meant the 5D3 as the native mount camera.

 

[Neil1000]

Toes crossed Neuro is getting a full time posting to Basel - and what a breath taking location for a photographer. Not much time to spend at Canon Rumors.

Working at Novartis, Roche or Syngenta will allow Neuro to visit foto Marlin every Lunch and after work. The top end gear from all manufacturers is great and they have very specialised photo trips with tutorials within Switzerland but to exotic locations also. Their second hand window is worth spending hours pouring over.

If he has a management contract the car will let him take the family to a million photo sites. Even without the car just hop on a train at Bahnhof SBB to Colmar for a great medieval architectural photo weekend. Or why not just walk down from Bahnhof SBB to the No. 70 bus to Reigoldswil. Nice drive from Basel and then take the Gondol Bahn up the hill and on alighting walk to the top and have a great Swiss mountain lunch. Do not take the GondolBahn down but make a walk with a million photo opportunities. Bus every hour.

Neil

 

[PureClassA]

Apparently I need to go get more popcorn for this....

 

[1982chris911]

In practical reality, I don't see canon users selling their equipment to jump entirely to sony. I can see myself adding a A7Rii to my 5D3 but I still need a native mount camera.

With Sony having a lot less lenses, especially the ones needed for high MP bodies that would not be possible... Just remember there are no real Ultra Wides, no in any way realistically priced Great White ones, (nearly) no very fast primes and only some MF primes for Sony ... most of the rest is not even worse mentioning. And the best 55 and 85mm lens in the world is not even produced for Sony Mount ... although it is a Zeiss lens ... strange but true ... ;D

I think he meant the 5D3 as the native mount camera.

Of course he did - but I was generally speaking about fully switching to Sony ... I mean if I ever think about it (and I currently am not as I am just getting a 5DsR) a Sony Body would only be an accessory kind of like a second back at an MF system ...

 

[1982chris911]

Apparently I need to go get more popcorn for this....

Bring beer too ;-)

 

[GuyF]

Toes crossed Neuro is getting a full time posting to Basel

Well I didn't expect to read that on a rumours site! That could mess up me filming the Neuro/Dilbert smackdown.

 

[1982chris911]

Toes crossed Neuro is getting a full time posting to Basel

Well I didn't expect to read that on a rumours site! That could mess up me filming the Neuro/Dilbert smackdown.

Hehehe ... I only say EPIC Boss fight ;-)

 

[GuyF]

Hehehe ... I only say EPIC Boss fight ;-)

Or handbags at ten paces. ;D

Latest I've heard is it'll only be on pay per view.

 

[1982chris911]

Hehehe ... I only say EPIC Boss fight ;-)

Or handbags at ten paces. ;D

Latest I've heard is it'll only be on pay per view.

If my previous stated theory about CR guy, Neuro, dilbert being the same person is correct... It should be very much like in LotR with ... well they already call him "Gollum" here anyway

 

[Marlena13]

such a great forum

 

[GuyF]

Sorry all, my flight of fancy may have started to derail this thread. :-[

Back to the FF future....

Regarding the expected 1DX mk2, "...It will have a brand new flagship AF system..." Is there any good reason why Canon may not implement the eye-tracking focus mode from a number of years back? Do any of you recall if it was accurate?

 

[PureClassA]

Ahhh the old Elan 7E. Yes, I owned one. The eye tracking thing wasn't perfect but it did a pretty good job. I can only assume that 10-15 years advance in technology would have improved it tremendously should they decide to implement it again.

Sorry all, my flight of fancy may have started to derail this thread. :-[

Back to the FF future....

Regarding the expected 1DX mk2, "...It will have a brand new flagship AF system..." Is there any good reason why Canon may not implement the eye-tracking focus mode from a number of years back? Do any of you recall if it was accurate?

 

[neuroanatomist]

Ahhh the old Elan 7E. Yes, I owned one. The eye tracking thing wasn't perfect but it did a pretty good job. I can only assume that 10-15 years advance in technology would have improved it tremendously should they decide to implement it again.

Sorry all, my flight of fancy may have started to derail this thread. :-[

Back to the FF future....

Regarding the expected 1DX mk2, "...It will have a brand new flagship AF system..." Is there any good reason why Canon may not implement the eye-tracking focus mode from a number of years back? Do any of you recall if it was accurate?

Well, speaking of the future...or a long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

"Look, good against 3-7 AF points is one thing. Good against the 60+ AF points? That's something else."

 

[GuyF]

"Look, good against 3-7 AF points is one thing. Good against the 60+ AF points? That's something else."

If it isn't practical for individual points, perhaps some of the expanded selections may be feasible?

 

[K-amps]

1DX Mark II
Price: $5,000

This may help awaken you from your dream.

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That Alarm is set for 2019, just before the 1Dx3 announcement.... the 1Dx2 could be on a deal for $4999.... unless Planet earth has; all switched over either to Sony, or Sony OEM Customers...

 

[1982chris911]

1DX Mark II
Price: $5,000

This may help awaken you from your dream.

+

That Alarm is set for 2019, just before the 1Dx3 announcement.... the 1Dx2 could be on a deal for $4999.... unless Planet earth has; all switched over either to Sony, or Sony Customers...

there was some 3999,- announcement on FB for the 1DX dunno if it is legit: http://www.canondeal.com/hot-deal-canon-eos-1d-x-for-3999-2/

 

[K-amps]

Something no one has mentioned (that I've seen anyway) but would be pretty cool if it was technically feasible:
how about a focus stacking function built into the camera?

It IS technically feasible, I use it on my 5D3 with Magic Lantern. However the solution is far from a complete one, and there are compromises, which may hinder Canon, offering it.

It requires some Post processing and Canon would have to either make external software companion, or offer it incam, which purists would not use.

The issue... is the lenses, not the Body. For example the 100L I use, has focus breathing, so if I take 20 stacks, each successive frame with ML, is smaller and smaller, making it not straightforward in terms of composing or processing the misaligned shots (due to the lens focus breathing).

Having said that, give magic lantern a try, with a little learning curve you can come up with some nice macro shots. Here is one I took a couple of months ago. (lost some detail and softness when I down sized it to post here)

 

[K-amps]

I suspect that the 5Ds/r are not going to be popular as a generic camera, that's the 5D3 niche. Sony does have the mirrorless small size advantage, which is important for those who like to carry a large kit. Sony A7II plus 3 lenses ought to be lighter than 5D3 plus 3 lenses. However, the analogous Sony is the not-yet-released A7R II. I am guessing that there are some people out there who are waiting to see the Sony before they make a decision on the 5Ds/r.

What Sony has done with the A7r II, is what Canon did 7 years ago, with the 5D II. It has everything one can reasonably desire in a Body in that price range. It looks like it's got everybody's attention. I would love to have those specs in a 5D type Body...

 

[1982chris911]

I suspect that the 5Ds/r are not going to be popular as a generic camera, that's the 5D3 niche. Sony does have the mirrorless small size advantage, which is important for those who like to carry a large kit. Sony A7II plus 3 lenses ought to be lighter than 5D3 plus 3 lenses. However, the analogous Sony is the not-yet-released A7R II. I am guessing that there are some people out there who are waiting to see the Sony before they make a decision on the 5Ds/r.

What Sony has done with the A7r II, is what Canon did 7 years ago, with the 5D II. It has everything one can reasonably desire in a Body in that price range. It looks like it's got everybody's attention. I would love to have those specs in a 5D type Body...

the kit is not really much smaller if you need adapters as the lenses are about the same size wise (dunno if the Zeiss lenses for Sony are not even heavier than the Canon ones) and most ppl. at the moment want to use other than Sony lenses on the a7rII also ...

 

[K-amps]

I have an a6000, and find it hard to grip. I am assuming the a7 would be slightly grippier, but not as much as the 5D which I like.