Canon's Tilt-Shift Evolution: What's Next?
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Some people would say that's TMI, but not ME!!! I live for this kind of story!
My real story is when I was about 22, I worked in interior design and my manager and his boss were like Mr Burns and Smithers - if Mr Burns was also gay and they lived in two house right next to each other. One day we were alone looking at fabric or carpet samples and his hand went on my butt and "EricN, you don't need a girlfriend to make you feel like you want to feel..." yes creepy but also flattering to be truthful. Now if he said you don't need a girlfriend to help you buy expensive camera things... I would be living in the third house...
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We had a mandatory meeting about sexual harassment on the jobsite, electricians and plumbers. At the end of the meeting, the instructor mentioned every classification protected against sexual harassment. I asked about one that wasn't mentioned, cross-dressers. The whole room lit up with laughter, except one guy, my foreman. Later in the day, a plumber asked me if I thought the foreman was a cross-dresser, I said I'll know if I see him in his neighborhood over the weekend. Someone overheard the conversation and reported me for sexual harassment. So, I visited office of equal opportunity, at the union (electricians), and acted like I had feminine mannerisms, somewhat, to avoid a write-up and it worked.
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I don't see any thing wrong with what you said. Neither accusing or judging. Some people love to create problems...
Let's make the story better and say you would be testing that new auto focusing tiltshift lens so you could capture his image in proper perspective like everyone deserves
Let's make the story better and say you would be testing that new auto focusing tiltshift lens so you could capture his image in proper perspective like everyone deserves
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It's not that I can't imagine uses for AF stabilized TS lenses, it's more down to what cost hike that would cause and would that price increase justify the new features, considering there are already so many AF prime lenses with IS, that work just fine and cost way less than what these super TS lenses might go for.
TS lenses have always been a super niche product, so my reasoning is how many users would actually need an AF+IS+TS lens and how many *new* users would such a lens attract. If you're a photographer who shoots architecture, it's highly likely you'll plonk your gear on a tripod, AF or no AF. It's hard enough to level everything out even with a geared head, let alone handheld...
If you're just looking for a prime lens for handheld work, video or general photography, well then you're way more likely to pick up some of the VC lenses, considering they'll inherently be much cheaper, faster and have way better aperture than the TS lenses.
Considering majority of my work is done on TS lenses, I would much prefer to have the theoretical zoom feature more than anything. And I'd be willing to pay for it big bucks. 10-20 TS? Or 15-35 TS? Or heck, 24-70 TS? Boy... Those would make my loins all warm!
If Canon is sticking to primes, then trust me - I would MUCH more prefer lens collars than say AF, or IS. I don't need AF for my work, let alone IS. If the lens had it, sure, I'd probably use AF from time to time. But I often switch to MF even on my AF lenses, simply to nail the focus exactly as I want it and make sure there are no changes from shot to shot, especially when doing stacks or panoramic shifts. I think vast majority of users for Canon's TS lineup are like me. And I don't see a bunch of wedding photographers picking up sets of autofocus TS lenses to shoot bridal sets. It just doesn't make sense.
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With all this, is Canon still manufacturing TS-E lenses? If the TS-E lenses were sold-out tomorrow, would Canon manufacture and assemble more? With new technology, a tilt-shift lens could be handheld. Kind of frees one to do more with a TS lens without having to use a tripod.
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Wedding photographers are only slightly more interested in creating something special than the person who takes school portraits. Generally, it's almost purely business of providing generic images to please the masses at a competitive price. I would say very few business will want new technologies until there is sufficient evidence to show it profitable for their specific case.
So, yes, we won't see the average Wedding photographer using tiltshift lenses and I know of one here that has an attitude that expensive lenses are only for ego, and that's fine with me and apparently fine with Canon, but that doesn't mean nobody will be willing to sell crack to pay for it [exaggeration]. I'm sure Canon is weighing all the important factors in regards to cost and marketability including halo status to increase brand reputation.
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Canon is not manufacturing any EF lenses period, so I'm pretty sure they're not manufacturing TS-E lenses either. There are however plenty brand new ones for purchase. As far as I know, none are sold out - another indicator that confirms the niche status for these lenses.
You can handheld the current TS-E lenses just fine. People use manual lenses all the time. It's more a matter of why would you? What would you get from a hand held 24mm RF AF IS TS lens that you can't get from an RF 24 VCM? The only thing is going for those shallow depth miniature effects using the tilt function, but I have serious doubts about how much use would that get and how soon would the novelty wear off. Again, it's not like you can't do it with current lenses, yet it's not that sought out effect. Shifting hand held is the second option and here I see even less use cases. If one want's to keep their verticals straight and avoid the pain of correcting in post, then you'll most likely use a tripod. So, that's all for the photo work.
On to the video, when I think about it, such a lens could actually be quite useful for video work, seeing as AF and IS would be very beneficial in that use scenario. Also, there is an actual market for that, considering there is ever growing demand for real estate videos. The only problem is that such a lens would have to be small and light, so one could use it on a gimbal. And small + light + TS + AF + IS isn't very likely.
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Your creative plan will not succeed: bank managers only have one love: money. The concept of human love is completely alien to them.
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Neither I, as a non-professional (!) see much advantages in AF for TS lenses, even though I use mine exclusively handheld in cities or forests (trees).
Like you, I'd really appreciate a TS 15-35 zoom, which would reduce my travel gear to a minimum (TS 15-35 instead of 15-35 zoom + TS-E 24 or 17).
Yet, in this particular case, AF would be nice, since I'd often use the TS 15-35 like a "normal" zoom.
Canon, please, hear our prayer!
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Neither I, as a non-professional (!) see much advantages in AF for TS lenses, even though I use mine exclusively handheld in cities or forests (trees).
Like you, I'd really appreciate a TS 15-35 zoom, which would reduce my travel gear to a minimum (TS 15-35 instead of 15-35 zoom + TS-E 24 or 17).
Yet, in this particular case, AF would be nice, since I'd often use the TS 15-35 like a "normal" zoom.
Canon, please, hear our prayer!
Yep, agreed. If it was TS and zoom, then AF would make more sense. I'm just worried how much would such a lens cost... Either way, my priority list for theoretical RF TS lenses is as follows:
1. Zoom
2. Lens collars
3. Better controls
4. Would gladly give up tilt functionality on all focal ranges, except 90 mm (need that for products)
5. AF
6. IS
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If the photographer were shooting the wedding in a church, say a Catholic church, and wanted to capture the surroundings, yes.Right!
I can imagine that shifting or tilting a bride wouldn't be very popular or good for business...
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I'm thinking more along the lines of how to save money. Tilt mechanism doubles the complexity, so removing it from wide angle models might keep the price more reasonable.
For me personally, tilt is really only useful for product shots and I rarely shoot products with anything other than 90mm, so losing tilt on 17, 24 and 50 mm would make no difference to me.
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If it was done properly and in good taste must would create very unique and memorable images, but also be too time consuming and in this modern age maybe only a professional model could have the patience for posing a full set with a standard manual lens.Right!
I can imagine that shifting or tilting a bride wouldn't be very popular or good for business...
If done in bad taste
, I would hire a tilt shift wedding photographer. Too bad I already had my wedding 
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You can avoid converging lines in a way you can't with the currently available rf 24mm lenses. You can create the effect of a line in a different distances being in focus. That is assuming you have the physical strength to hold the camera and lens steady. Autofocus would reduce the time and thus allow people with less strength to produce the images
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So, bottom line - do those two very specific use-case scenarios justify what would surely be a huge price? And is there a market for such a niche within niche to demand the lenses to be made in the first place?
Like I said... A zoom TS? Absolutely. No doubt that current TS-E users would jump on that like flies on poo. I'm just not convinced that adding AF and IS (and the cost increase involved) would make as much sense as a manual but zoom TS.
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