Enough Full Frame Talk: Where are the 7D II Rumors?

[DB]

Re: NO 7D Mark II @ photokina????

Canon have already launched a very fast camera in 2012, the 1DX with 12 shots per second (or 14 with the mirror locked up).

Before Canon launch a 7D2, they have to discontinue the 5D2 before the end of the year (to ensure success of the 6D as the only viable option for xxD/xxxD videographers to upgrade to), then they have to prepare for the launch of the 700D/1200D 18MP crop-sensor cameras (likely to be announced in Feb 2013, available March-April). Next they will turn their attention to a 60D Mark II (some refer to as the 70D). Finally, they will then have to finalize the 7D2 before Photokina 2013

The 7D mark II will obviously be a fast camera (10-12 fps at a minimum) utilizing most likely dual-DIGIC5+ processors, new AF system (could be taken from 1D mk IV) if there is a new APS-H sensor, which in all likelihood will have more megapixels than any other DSLR in the current EOS lineup, my guess is 27MP, usable ISO of 6400 and dual memory card slots (at least one will remain CF)

Whatever Canon have already decided to do for Photokina 2013 (yes they plan about 1-2 years in advance, like most large scale volume manufacturers), they won't tell us now, but will probably leak (drip-feed) some info early summer 2013 once the new Rebels and a new xxD APS-C body have already been announced.

I'm afraid that all of us will have to wait at least another 9 months, before we begin to get accurate rumours or leaks as to what a new 7D Mark II will ultimately look like.

 

[canon816]

Sadly, you aren't going to get a revolution in high ISO noise performance in a crop sensor for a very long time... if ever. With current sensor technology there is a limit to how well a crop sensor can handle noise... and with consumers for this category demanding features in video, hdr, etc... there is even less hope for sensor improvement.

But keep dreaming... it never hurts to dream.

 

[crasher8]

Re: NO 7D Mark II @ photokina????

I think the 7D FW update was a dead giveaway that there would not be a 7D update in the near future. Didn't you?

 

[dtaylor]

true, i do believe though that there is a place & a market for pro APS-Cs

I hope Canon does not forget this, and shame on Nikon if they have. Even if FF sensor fabrication dropped in price, APS-C sensors are very useful and capable teleconverters. If you need reach and you're focal length limited, you need APS-C.

 

[dtaylor]

Sadly, you aren't going to get a revolution in high ISO noise performance in a crop sensor for a very long time... if ever.

No, you'll just continue to get incremental improvements same as FF sensors. The "crop can't do high ISO" meme is old. Today's best crop bodies match yesterday's FF bodies. Tomorrow's crop sensors will match today's FF sensors. Given the same level of technology FF sensors will always collect more light, but that doesn't mean crop won't continue to improve.

 

[SJTstudios]

The thing is, they can't do anything to make the 7d better. It has 18 megapixels which they can't increase or nobody will by the 6d, and everything else is as good as its gonna get unless they want to screw all the other canon cameras on the market. The 7d is supposed to be an wildlife/sport enthusiast camera, they get a decent camera, and an aps-c sensor so they can get a better zoom on wildlife. If people want better, canon wants them to go for an expensive full frame camera and the big l glass. It's all marketing. This also means we won't see a 70d for a while either, since if they bump things up at all, it will be too close to the 7d.

 

[brianleighty]

Either way, I do not believe that the next variant of the 7D will be an APS-C camera. I believe that it will be an APS-H 27MP or 40MP sensor with dual DIGIC5+ chips, a fixed 3" 3:2 LCD, but with Wi-Fi & GPS onboard, usable 6400 ISO (possibly 12800 ISO for video purposes), very fast high speed shooting say 12 fps and it will have to have a new AF system, but could be very similar to the 45-point AF used on the 1DIV. Initial price circa $2,500

I'm pretty sure APS-H is dead. It would be silly to go from APS-C to APS-H since now all there crop sensor lenses don't work anymore. Going full frame makes more sense but it's now not hitting it's target market of those that want a top of the line APS-C camera for birds, sports or other categories where reach is important. With a 40MP sensor it's not going to be able to hit the frame rates of the current due to the massive amount of data. So I highly doubt they'll change from APS-C. The existing crop sensor has been around for quite some time. It makes sense to put that in the 7D II and then trickle it down to the lower bodies.

 

[pierceography]

Personally, at the top of my wish list is the ability to control the camera with a phone (i.e. iOS or Android app). I don't care about the built in hardware, but if Canon were to introduce a dongle that, at the very least, would allow phones to communicate either wirelessly or through a cable. I know you can do this with a laptop, but I rarely carry mine when shooting (who wants to drag around an extra 7lbs?)... especially when an iPad/iPhone has most everything I need in the short term.

But I'm fairly happy with my 5D mark iii and the expanded AEB, which was a huge reason for wanting tethered shooting -- camera shake during HDR exposures and all.

As a slight aside, the only real feature I'm slightly jealous of the 6D having is wifi, since I see this as a possible route to truly controlling the camera wirelessly. Nikon definitely got that one right... :-\

 

[nicku]

Canon made it clear some time ago when the announced the big firmware upfrade for the 7D that a 7D Mark II was not coming soon... if ever. Nikon has also killed off the D400 with their D600.
Personally, I think a 7D Mark II is coming, but not this fall.

Yes, Nikon killed off the D400 with a good camera ( the D600). In Canon case 6D is not even close a 7D line killer.

 

[nicku]

The thing is, they can't do anything to make the 7d better. It has 18 megapixels which they can't increase or nobody will by the 6d, and everything else is as good as its gonna get unless they want to screw all the other canon cameras on the market. The 7d is supposed to be an wildlife/sport enthusiast camera, they get a decent camera, and an aps-c sensor so they can get a better zoom on wildlife. If people want better, canon wants them to go for an expensive full frame camera and the big l glass. It's all marketing. This also means we won't see a 70d for a while either, since if they bump things up at all, it will be too close to the 7d.

Exactly marketing. Give to the people something that only you have ( in this case the APS-H sensor),and they will buy it regardless of the price.... because is unique.
And with this marketing strategy come the things we expect, like better IQ and high ISO noise.

 

[al2]

Personally, at the top of my wish list is the ability to control the camera with a phone (i.e. iOS or Android app). I don't care about the built in hardware, but if Canon were to introduce a dongle that, at the very least, would allow phones to communicate either wirelessly or through a cable. I know you can do this with a laptop, but I rarely carry mine when shooting (who wants to drag around an extra 7lbs?)... especially when an iPad/iPhone has most everything I need in the short term.

But I'm fairly happy with my 5D mark iii and the expanded AEB, which was a huge reason for wanting tethered shooting -- camera shake during HDR exposures and all.

As a slight aside, the only real feature I'm slightly jealous of the 6D having is wifi, since I see this as a possible route to truly controlling the camera wirelessly. Nikon definitely got that one right... :-\

The remote control with your phone is already available. See "DSLR Controller" on the Google Play Store. You have to use a USB cable, but it really works. Works for all new Canon cameras and some older ones.

 

[daniela]

Re: NO 7D Mark II @ photokina????

Does Canon introduce only the 6D? No 7D Mk2?

What a pity.
6D with only 11 AF filds and an slow sensor....
I am looking for an new FAST camera.

Canon does it not have by now

A slow sensor? What does that mean?

4,5 vs 8 fps

 

[daniela]

New firmware is ok. But my brother owns an new 5D Mark3. It is an great camera.
My personal 7D is a little bit tricky. Much noise >800ISO, AF is not always working well.
I like the 7D, but I want a better one.
Better Noise, maybe some AF-fields more, AF faster.
I don´t have the money to buy an 5D Mark3.

 

[JohanCruyff]

So, trying to be realistic here: what features do you expect/hope to see in the 7D?

My list is short: Less noise at ISO 1600-6400; an even better autofocus; a little more weatherproofing; CF Card slot (don't care if they also include an SD, but I wants my CF); and that ability to control the camera through your smartphone using WiFi.

What makes your short list?

Everything on your list plus more Dynamic Range, and I'd be good!

So few upgrades on the current 7D?

I'm afraid the guys at dpreview will write again "this is not a WOW! camera".

 

[Imagination_landB]

I think we all agree that better iso performance is THE thing that a new 7d would need. I have a 60d(same sensor) and it's not great after 800 iso...so good iso performance from 100 to 2500 is not much asked when we compare to the newer models? is it?

 

[tomscott]

How about they address noise throughout the range!! It is useable up to 1600 atm but 100-400 is absolutely dreadful! I was shocked when I saw how bad 100ISO is compared to the previous generation.

Maybe I was expecting too much, but I dont know why people are happy with this cameras IQ and noise performance at all. The older cameras might not have the bells and whistles of the 7D but the IQ was better not so much on the 50D but certainly on the 40D. I say bring the MP down to 15-16 and sort it out. Appalling.

Sorry for my rant now, I didn't want a 7D, I wanted to wait a little longer for the 5D MKIII to drop in price in the UK. But my old 40D broke so I replaced it for the mean time. Apart from the AF, FPS and screen I dont see any benefit of this camera over the older generation. It handles great but it is pointless without the IQ and the fact every APC camera in Canons line up is using this sensor... wow.

Still don't understand why people rave about this camera. Or am I missing something!???

 

[liberace]

Sadly, you aren't going to get a revolution in high ISO noise performance in a crop sensor for a very long time... if ever. With current sensor technology there is a limit to how well a crop sensor can handle noise... and with consumers for this category demanding features in video, hdr, etc... there is even less hope for sensor improvement.

But keep dreaming... it never hurts to dream.

There has already been a revolution in crop sensor high ISO noise. It's called the D800. The pixel pitch of it's sensor is VERY close to that of the 7D.

4.88µm v 4.3µm - that's only 13.5% difference. For comparison the 5D Mark III has a pixel pitch of 6.5µm - 50% bigger.

You can't tell me that the D800 doesn't have low high ISO noise. It's very competitive with the 5DIII.

 

[Noink Fanb0i]

Won't be buying a crop DSLR anymore, the writing is on the wall for APS-C DSLRs and EF-S lenses. Next round of entry-level FF would prolly be around $1500 (6D should have been at this price point and it would have reduced the whining by 90%). APS-C sensors would be relegated to the MILC, Rebel and xxD line. Most probably one of the APS-C lines would even disappear.

 

[brianboru]

Personally, at the top of my wish list is the ability to control the camera with a phone (i.e. iOS or Android app). I don't care about the built in hardware, but if Canon were to introduce a dongle that, at the very least, would allow phones to communicate either wirelessly or through a cable. I know you can do this with a laptop, but I rarely carry mine when shooting (who wants to drag around an extra 7lbs?)... especially when an iPad/iPhone has most everything I need in the short term.

But I'm fairly happy with my 5D mark iii and the expanded AEB, which was a huge reason for wanting tethered shooting -- camera shake during HDR exposures and all.

As a slight aside, the only real feature I'm slightly jealous of the 6D having is wifi, since I see this as a possible route to truly controlling the camera wirelessly. Nikon definitely got that one right... :-\

The remote control with your phone is already available. See "DSLR Controller" on the Google Play Store. You have to use a USB cable, but it really works. Works for all new Canon cameras and some older ones.

I see that al2 beat me to mentioning "DSLR Controller". I agree that it really works with my 7D and can even control my 40D within the 40D's Liveview limitations.

http://dslrcontroller.com/

 

[Bob Howland]

Sadly, you aren't going to get a revolution in high ISO noise performance in a crop sensor for a very long time... if ever. With current sensor technology there is a limit to how well a crop sensor can handle noise... and with consumers for this category demanding features in video, hdr, etc... there is even less hope for sensor improvement.

But keep dreaming... it never hurts to dream.

There has already been a revolution in crop sensor high ISO noise. It's called the D800. The pixel pitch of it's sensor is VERY close to that of the 7D.

4.88µm v 4.3µm - that's only 13.5% difference. For comparison the 5D Mark III has a pixel pitch of 6.5µm - 50% bigger.

You can't tell me that the D800 doesn't have low high ISO noise. It's very competitive with the 5DIII.

However, the D800 does not do 8 or 10FPS. A crop camera is the best/only way of optimizing the following combination of attributes (1) lower price, (2) higher frame rate and (3) smaller pixels (i.e., lots of "pixels per feather"). I currently own a 5D3 and 7D both of which were purchased in the last 6 months. (They replaced a 5D and 40D.) The 7D is used almost exclusively outdoors in comparatively good light with longer lenses to photograph things that move rapidly and unexpectedly. The 5D3 is used for everything else.