CES 2014. Nikon D4s is a fact. What can be expected from Canon?

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#21
Sales of the D4 have been hurting, so a minor upgrade will put it on a competitive level. A better processor and improved autofocus. Both of these were weak points, but we have to see how much improvement there actually is. Nikon seems to be playing a game with gullible buyers, first the D620 and now the D4s. Mostly just a label change to get those with $$$ to buy the latest and greatest.
 
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#24
It's clearly a "protectionist" announcement to keep Nikon's Pro shooters from switching over to Canon. It only serves to let their shooters know that a better camera is coming. What a news flash...I'm sure no one was expecting Nikon to release an improved camera in...the future :o

I suspect the heavy rebating/double dips, etc. on Canon's end put a dent in Nikon's sales over the last few months and they're trying to keep their market share.
 
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mackguyver said:
It's clearly a "protectionist" announcement to keep Nikon's Pro shooters from switching over to Canon. It only serves to let their shooters know that a better camera is coming. What a news flash...I'm sure no one was expecting Nikon to release an improved camera in...the future :o

I suspect the heavy rebating/double dips, etc. on Canon's end put a dent in Nikon's sales over the last few months and they're trying to keep their market share.
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That's what I was thinking too. "Don't go guys... we have something GREAT in store for you. Have faith!"
 
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#26
I expect for Canon to release whatever they have in the pipeline at their own pace and date.Tit for tat "they better hurry and parry with a better product" simply hasn't happened recently. Most folks seem to understand the development cycle for new products but when a competitor has a release (product or press) many still assume Canon will counter asap.

2014, Year of the Lens. Unfortunately for Canon, that might be Sigma's slogan as well!
 
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#27
sagittariansrock said:
That's what I was thinking too. "Don't go guys... we have something GREAT in store for you. Have faith!"
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Yep, we have the D4s - it has a new Expeed processor that will really make your jpg images pop, because we know none of you out there shoot NEF files. Oh, and better AF. Better how? Just better. Trust us.
 
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#28
A few years ago Canon were is a very dominant position in the pro market, really very clearly dominant. This announcement, it seems to me, could push Canon's response two ways; first, it could make Canon relax on the next 1 series release as the 1Dx is clearly more than competitive against the D4/D4s; or Canon could see the blood in the water and come out with an aggresive release to put the Nikon pro market on the back foot again. It isn't hard to think of a modest list of additions to the 1Dx that would put it into the next generation of the 1Dx/D4 market and leapfrog the D4s completely.

I fear it will be the former.
 
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LetTheRightLensIn said:
I wonder what they mean by HD-SLR?
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HD-SLR = camera. :P HD as in HD video. They call them all that, now (well, all of them except the Df - that's for 'pure photography' :P :P). The D4s HD-SLR is replacing the D4 HD-SLR. They also just announced the D3300 HD-SLR.
 
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#33
neuroanatomist said:
MichaelHodges said:
dilbert said:
And if it does or bests Canon, what then?
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Does? All of the Nikon FF cameras best Canon *now*.
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You're welcome to your own opinion, but that opinion obviously differs from that of the majority of people actually buying Canon and Nikon FF cameras.
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If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.
Who buys what is a red herring.
 
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#34
MichaelHodges said:
neuroanatomist said:
MichaelHodges said:
dilbert said:
And if it does or bests Canon, what then?
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Does? All of the Nikon FF cameras best Canon *now*.
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You're welcome to your own opinion, but that opinion obviously differs from that of the majority of people actually buying Canon and Nikon FF cameras.
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If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.
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Apparently those who value dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology to the exclusion of other aspects of camera performance are in the minority.

If one values overall camera and system performance, it's pretty clear who the leader is now...and for the past 10 years.
 
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#37
MichaelHodges said:
neuroanatomist said:
MichaelHodges said:
dilbert said:
And if it does or bests Canon, what then?
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Does? All of the Nikon FF cameras best Canon *now*.
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You're welcome to your own opinion, but that opinion obviously differs from that of the majority of people actually buying Canon and Nikon FF cameras.
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If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.
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If the only component of a camera that you place any value on whatsoever is the sensor, then why are you worshiping Nikon? They didn't even make the sensor!

MichaelHodges said:
If you can't recover highlights, who cares if you have two extra FPS and built in GPS with Insta-Facebook upload?
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And who uses a 1D X for facebook uploads using it's non-existent WiFi and GPS?

Just look at any major sporting event - how many more white lenses do you see there than black lenses?
 
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#38
MichaelHodges said:
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If one values dynamic range and cutting edge sensor technology, it's pretty clear who the leader is now.
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How many clients care about the sensor technology used? The closest I've been asked was "MF or small frame". In focus or not is also much higher on the priority, esp in sports, then some noise in pushed shadows, cue the colorblind AF in the Nikons and the red (induced) shift.
 
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#39
rs said:
If the only component of a camera that you place any value on whatsoever is the sensor, then why are you worshiping Nikon? They didn't even make the sensor!
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I never said that's the only aspect I value. But, since this is a device that takes images, I think the quality of the image sensor should be placed at the top of the list.

Just look at any major sporting event - how many more white lenses do you see there than black lenses?
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This seems like a very lemming-like way to make decisions.
 
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#40
MikaelHodges said:
If you can't recover highlights, who cares if you have two extra FPS and built in GPS with Insta-Facebook upload?
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If you are shooting at ISO 3200, does the D4 still have better DR?

If your autofocus gives you a blurry image, who cares if you have an extra stop or two of dynamic range?

If you miss a key moment because your frame rate was too slow, who cares if you can't recover a blown highlight?

If you need a 17mm TS/PC lens, or a hand-holdable 600mm f/4 lens, how useful is a sensor with better low ISO DR?

If you can't expose to preserve highlights when you need to, should you find a new hobby/job?
 
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