Childish Behaviour

[altenae]

When Canon started the Megapixel race the only thing you read on forums was:

Why can't Canon do like Nikon.
Less MP and clean high ISO images (like d700/d3s)

Now Canon is doing exactly this ( flagship 1dx) !
Always complain. So many forum topics where people are switching to Nikon ? why ?

I am certain 99% will not need 36mp images.
I would say go outside and take some pictures.
All current cameras (Canon and Nikon) will do just fine for most of us. (I would say all of us)

I really hope Canon will not go into MP race.

Edward van Altena

 

[vlim]

I really hope Canon will not go into MP race

Me too, i don't need that kind of gear for wildlife photos but clean high ISO images, yes

 

[Canon-F1]

Because 10 or 12 wasn't enough for many but 18 or 21 is? Because many see MPs beyond a certain level as providing less bang for the buck? Many people feel we've reached a comfortable level with MPs but haven't with dynamic range and low light performance?

You're assuming that people are acting irrationally. They aren't. They are merely satisfied with the megapixels we have and now desire that other aspects of image quality be the focus of design improvements. How is that childish?

read again.... and try to understand what he wrote.

and i am absolutely with him.. he is right.

 

[vlim]

I am certain 99% will not need 36mp images

How many of us do A2 or A1 print ?

In my opinion wiith 18 to 20mp you already have very high quality A3 printing... But once again i'm not taking photos in a studio.

 

[wockawocka]

True, I've printed countless A3 prints from 22mp.

But, there is that nice crop factor...however no good if the IQ is rubbish, which is why I'm stepping away from the D800 as a viable camera. I'd rather go medium format which in all fairness is really cheap.

I've been watching H3D 39's for the last few weeks, some go for the same price, with a lens for the price of a 1DX.
Ok, so it lacks a lot of features that are convenient but for studio work it's excellent.

 

[well_dunno]

My impression is that most of the people here are not willing to have a high mp cam but better DR and ISO performance from 21-22 mp sensor on 5D x or mk3 and that has not changed.

I imagine you are referring only to those who are willing to have high mp on 5D x /mk3 but then they might need it for their work... I don't know, wall size prints? Cropping? Either case, I think we will see two cameras this year and both edges will be covered...

Cheers!

 

[gmrza]

I really hope Canon will not go into MP race

Me too, i don't need that kind of gear for wildlife photos but clean high ISO images, yes

The biggest beneficiaries of more MP are probably now only Intel, Seagate and WD.

 

[Hillsilly]

Canon, why do you insist on giving us cameras with either too few or too many MPs? Wouldn't it be easier to just give us a camera with the optimal amount of MPs that will please everyone?

 

[docsavage123]

My friend shoots rock gigs with a Nikon D300s and Sigma Lenses, He even does video on it at 720p.

He is not interested in the D800 at all, or full frame. He currently has had Magazine covers done at 12 megapixel and A2 and A3 prints done professionally so this I must have 36megapixel 75 meg files is insane.

Just shooting raw on my 7D takes up loads of space and you are right once someone gets this camera and quickly realises that their nice shine laptop/mac cannot handle the raw files with out pausing/stuttering and filling up their hard disks in no time at all.

Saying that I still would like a 5D3 whenever it appears. hopefully same resolution as the current 5dmk II.

 

[alipaulphotography]

The Nikon D3S is my current perfect camera in terms of specifications. But I'm sure canon will come up with an alternative in the near future. Can't quite afford the bulky 1DX yet!
I shoot semi-professionally at the moment with a 5D original. I only desire cleanish ISO to 6400, video capability and all my 9 AF points to be as good as the centre one. 12MP is plenty - Less time at a computer and more time shooting.

 

[adebrophy]

Just joined the forum as interesting in the debate here. From my own POV I'm still happy with the size images from my 40D but I guess the thing to consider isn't just prints but where the whole tech eco-system around photos is going.

Seeing what's happening in flatscreen technology with huge wall-size ultra high definition screens in development is probably an interesting context for bigger images. Any pro level cameras bought later in 2012 will surely need to be able to serve their owners into the early days of 4K screens, and surely there's no harm in the images themselves being future proofed to last longer to when even higher resolution displays are possible.

That's not to say that I think this is a practical need today for 99.999% of people but I guess (pure speculation mind) that the major players like Canon, Nikon et al must be keeping a weather eye on that context.

 

[Sunnystate]

Not sure which side displays childish behaviour.
Sometimes, I feel like all the opponents to the higher megapixel cameras, are people that have spent years of savings on 5D body and two or three lenses, and are terrified that they precious investment will become outdated/obsolete just like that, especially if new gen lenses will be needed to keep up with resolution.
Let's hope Canon will follow sound business instincts, and contribute or lead in creative development, instead listening to unreasonable childish fears of current camera owners.
The whole new, let's say "very bold" pricing thing from Canon is another story, and is potentially causing the same effect, making even professionals to think twice about some radical new upgrades.

 

[altenae]

, I feel like all the opponents to the higher megapixel cameras, are people that have spent years of savings on 5D body and two or three lenses, and are terrified that they precious investment will become outdated/obsolete

Not really.
What I meant with childish is the switch to other brands everytime somthing new is announced.

It also takes a while for my 70-200 II & 400 II to be obsolete

 

[etg9]

1st post here...

I believe the desire to want people to do what you're doing not based upon their needs or wants is not the most mature thing ever. If I was a studio photog or a landscape guy the D800 is a pretty sexy looking camera and unlike medium format Nikon lenses can be had at a similar price and with nearly as large of a range as Canon. I personally have thought a lot about the 645D and realize that it would be a really fun camera to go shoot with and possible take some great photos.

There are people who will like and not like the direction that any company moves in and will switch companies based upon that. This affects me in no way what so ever, I wish them the best of luck and I hope they find what they are looking for.

 

[wellfedCanuck]

Don't discount other people's needs because they don't match your own, some people have a use for higher MP. My "serious" photography is aerial/realestate/recon. The ability to keep zooming in on an image for details that were unknown at the time of shooting is huge. Printing? Who does that? Pop the image via wifi for display on a 55" LED.

 

[photophreek]

Speaking about childish behaviour....yesterdays discussions about the new 24-70 and the added mp posts went on and on for pages and pages. It really got crazy and rather silly. I'm sure the Nikon shooters were laughing their asses off about all the Canon fanboys going out of their minds about a lens.

These discussions were everywhere. Not only here, but on every photographic discussion website. Don't get me wrong, I know this is a gears forum, but do we have to repeat the same thing for 15 pages. The lens is out (finally) and it's expensive and I really could care less about charts and what they say.

Wait till the lens is available and all the fanboys can run out and photograph rulers and brick walls and go on forever about the pixels they couldn't peep with this new lens because they didn't have the latest and greatest mp camera from Canon and are now switching to whatever camera manufacturer.

 

[Neeneko]

Something to keep in mind, forums are not monocultures. It is quite possible, in fact likely, that the people who were complaining that Canon was focusing on MP are not the same people complaining when Canon focuses on DR/ISO/etc.

So you are probably hearing two groups on the same forum, each being unhappy when they feel that their particular needs (or desires if one wants to assume they do not actually need XYZ) are being kept in mind.

It always kinda sucks when competition and product lines are small enough that only one thing seems to get focused on at a time, and personally that to me feels like the problem with both Canon and Nikon,.. both have tunnel vision and a group think culture in their planning... rather then address multiple concerns at once they pick one or two 'in' things and focus their entire product line in that direction, rather then producing divergent products to meet the needs of multiple consumer demographics.

Canon COULD have done both at once. But instead they focused on specific camera qualities (that we advantageous to their new video focus) and have not really addressed other groups. Previously they over-focused on the MP war to the exclusion of other qualities. Both are bad and piss people off, just different people each time.

Sadly, that is how these corporate cultures work. People sniff out what the 'in' thing is and promotions tend to come from getting behind that particular focus and running it into the ground. Anything that breaks from that narrative no only carries personal risk for the division that tries to go that direction, but it is also a threat to everyone who IS following the group since, if it succeeds, it makes them look bad, thus it gets quietly killed until a new fad comes into fashion with the executives.

 

[DBCdp]

Interesting comments. I like Canon. I like the ergonomics of the camera body, the style of their lenses, the color and tonality of the pictures. I haven't shot with anything else so I don't know all the apples to oranges comparison values. I simply like Canon. That's enough for me. My 5D Mk II was a very pleasing upgrade from my 5D and I'm still happy with it. My 7D does different things, IQ may not be exactly the same but it's still very nice and I cannot complain. Do I like what I see with the new lens developments? Yes, I do! Will I get the 24-70mm MkII or hold out for the 5D3? Don't know yet. But I will be spending more with Canon, one way or the other.

Canon has the new S100, the new G1X (which I'm also thinking about) and the rumor mill has them splitting the 5 line to appeal to everyone. What's there to complain about? Seems to me they're bending over backwards to get everyone on board Canon and soak up ALL our monies! Good corporate think there, imo.

I say, Great Job Canon! Keep up the good work!

My wife says, oh no, broke again!

 

[Maui5150]

I think some people simply like to stir the pot.

Like anything else, people's needs and wants can vary greatly. All the MP in the world means nothing if the IQ is not there, if anything, just makes it harder and longer to clean up, because in old computing terms... GIGO Garbage In, Garbage Out.

I think it is foolish to expect immediate announcements or counters by companies, but do think that over time there is a natural ebb and flow to the competition.

Competition is awesome! It means better products. Better improvements. and ultimately better prices.

 

[photophreek]

The childish/silliness is continuing on POTN. Someone is asking whether IS will be available on the Mk III version of the 24-70mm. Unbelieveable!!