D850 a Baby Nikon D5: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

[ahsanford]

Seems like the D850 is not a D810 replacement, but a new fancier price point above the D810 (or the D850 would take the top spot and the D810 would walk down in pricing a la the 5D3 in recent years):

https://petapixel.com/2017/07/31/nikon-d850-will-baby-nikon-d5-reports-say/

https://nikonrumors.com/2017/07/31/the-nikon-d850-is-the-baby-nikon-d5-camera.aspx/#more-114369

If this rumor is true, both this and the Sony A99 II will be non-gripped FF cameras with more than twice the (MP x fps) throughput of the 5D4.

- A

 

[SecureGSM]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

some comments in the PP thread are quite revealing ;D

"...Canon better release a 6D Mark III soon. With everything they messed up with the 6D Mark II, this camera is gonna roast them hands down. Even 5D Mark IV should better dress warmly, cause winter's coming..."
oh, Schweppes.. Canon is in trouble.. again..

https://petapixel.com/2017/07/31/nikon-d850-will-baby-nikon-d5-reports-say/#comment-3445894407

 

[Deleted member 378664]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

They forgot to give one of the most important feature number.

How many oil splatters on sensor per shutter actuation this new camera will be capable of. ;D

 

[Sharlin]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

I have a hunch that this one won't have a stellar DR either.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

They forgot to give one of the most important feature number.

How many oil splatters on sensor per shutter actuation this new camera will be capable of. ;D

If this D850 camera materializes with these specs, Canonites won't be laughing that hard.

It's easy to blow off a 42 MP x 12 fps showcar of an A99 II rig because (a) it's Sony, (b) it's A mount and (b) SLTs aren't for everyone. But a Nikon rig spec'd like listed in the title + FX mount + surely 4K and other goodies will compete with the 5DS crowd and the 5D4 crowd.

Sony has put down a real 'marker' of a product down three times now:

• A7R II - nearly everything in one package (4K, IBIS, that great BSI sensor, high resolution, etc.)
  
• A99 II - a 12 fps A7R II, effectively
  
• A9 - a beast mode product (...that might be overly reliant on an electronic shutter and certainly lacks lenses for the sports/wildlife work it would be best suited for, but still.)
  

...but Nikon has only had great sensors (and you could argue better AF spread for an SLR) in its bodies to date. The D5 does not comprehensively leapfrog the 1DX2, and the D500 (for all its base ISO DR and 4K) is still a 20 MP x 10 fps rig that the 7D2 sells just fine against. Both the D5/D500 are fine products, but they don't have giggleworthy topline specs that mop the floor with Canon (unless you count completely BS/useless ISO limits).

But a Nikon D850 with the rumored specs would be like if Sony'd release an A7R III or A99 III with Nikon photographic know-how, Nikon controls/handling, Nikon AF, and the entire Nikkor portfolio working natively. In a sense, you could argue a D850 with those specs would represent the best of Sony's tech with the best of Nikon's know-how, and then the term 'the competition' takes on a completely different feel.

That's why I think this -- if it comes to pass as spec'd in this rumor -- would be a pretty serious shot across the bow for some professionals. Want speed? Want high resolution? Want 4K? Want great base ISO DR? Want a tilty-flippy? Yes to all counts.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

I have a hunch that this one won't have a stellar DR either.

It's a lot of data to move, yes. One has to wonder.

But the A99 II (42 MP x 12 fps) did nearly as well as it's A7R II predecessor for DR -- it just fared less well in higher ISO due to the SLT blocking 2/3 of a stop of light. So it's possible to get staggering (> 400 MP/s) throughput without torching base ISO DR. We're just not sure if Nikon knows how to do it.

- A

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

If this D850 camera materializes with these specs, Canonites won't be laughing that hard.

It's easy to blow off a 42 MP x 12 fps showcar of an A99 II rig because (a) it's Sony, (b) it's A mount and (b) SLTs aren't for everyone. But a Nikon rig spec'd like listed in the title + FX mount + surely 4K and other goodies will compete with the 5DS crowd and the 5D4 crowd.

Sony has put down a real 'marker' of a product down three times now:

• A7R II - nearly everything in one package (4K, IBIS, that great BSI sensor, high resolution, etc.)
  
• A99 II - a 12 fps A7R II, effectively
  
• A9 - a beast mode product (...that might be overly reliant on an electronic shutter and certainly lacks lenses for the sports/wildlife work it would be best suited for, but still.)
  

...but Nikon has only had great sensors (and you could argue better AF spread for an SLR) in its bodies to date. The D5 does not comprehensively leapfrog the 1DX2, and the D500 (for all its base ISO DR and 4K) is still a 20 MP x 10 fps rig that the 7D2 sells just fine against. Both the D5/D500 are fine products, but they don't have giggleworthy topline specs that mop the floor with Canon (unless you count completely BS/useless ISO limits).

But a Nikon D850 with the rumored specs would be like if Sony'd release an A7R III or A99 III with Nikon photographic know-how, Nikon controls/handling, Nikon AF, and the entire Nikkor portfolio working natively. In a sense, you could argue a D850 with those specs would represent the best of Sony's tech with the best of Nikon's know-how, and then the term 'the competition' takes on a completely different feel.

That's why I think this -- if it comes to pass as spec'd in this rumor -- would be a pretty serious shot across the bow for some professionals. Want speed? Want high resolution? Want 4K? Want great base ISO DR? Want a tilty-flippy? Yes to all counts.

- A

Yes but... we will see. Rumors are very, very often inflated (see every Apple release ever) followed by a more realistic release (of course the second iPad will have retina!). Or endless manufacturing issues due to complexity, supply issues due to unwillingness or inability to produce arbitrary numbers of the product at price point, or, yes, quality issues due to cutting corners to try to make the thing profitably with all the features. Rumors are cheap. Remember we all assumed the 6D2 was going to get a better sensor than it did, and possibly 4k.

Let Nikon get such a beast out, prove it works, and be able to make money on it. If that happens, Canon will need to scramble, yes.

I have my doubts that Nikon will be able to put a D850 like this in many hands and make a bunch of money without issues.

 

[Eldar]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

http://thenewcamera.com/nikon-d850-full-specification-leaked/

 

[ahsanford]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

http://thenewcamera.com/nikon-d850-full-specification-leaked/

Thx. So it will be 46 MP x 8 fps with the D5 AF system.

- A

 

[BillB]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

They forgot to give one of the most important feature number.

How many oil splatters on sensor per shutter actuation this new camera will be capable of. ;D

If this D850 camera materializes with these specs, Canonites won't be laughing that hard.

It's easy to blow off a 42 MP x 12 fps showcar of an A99 II rig because (a) it's Sony, (b) it's A mount and (b) SLTs aren't for everyone. But a Nikon rig spec'd like listed in the title + FX mount + surely 4K and other goodies will compete with the 5DS crowd and the 5D4 crowd.

Sony has put down a real 'marker' of a product down three times now:

• A7R II - nearly everything in one package (4K, IBIS, that great BSI sensor, high resolution, etc.)
  
• A99 II - a 12 fps A7R II, effectively
  
• A9 - a beast mode product (...that might be overly reliant on an electronic shutter and certainly lacks lenses for the sports/wildlife work it would be best suited for, but still.)
  

...but Nikon has only had great sensors (and you could argue better AF spread for an SLR) in its bodies to date. The D5 does not comprehensively leapfrog the 1DX2, and the D500 (for all its base ISO DR and 4K) is still a 20 MP x 10 fps rig that the 7D2 sells just fine against. Both the D5/D500 are fine products, but they don't have giggleworthy topline specs that mop the floor with Canon (unless you count completely BS/useless ISO limits).

But a Nikon D850 with the rumored specs would be like if Sony'd release an A7R III or A99 III with Nikon photographic know-how, Nikon controls/handling, Nikon AF, and the entire Nikkor portfolio working natively. In a sense, you could argue a D850 with those specs would represent the best of Sony's tech with the best of Nikon's know-how, and then the term 'the competition' takes on a completely different feel.

That's why I think this -- if it comes to pass as spec'd in this rumor -- would be a pretty serious shot across the bow for some professionals. Want speed? Want high resolution? Want 4K? Want great base ISO DR? Want a tilty-flippy? Yes to all counts.

- A

We shall see. A high end everything for everybody strategy while promising competitive pricing is great for fantasy spec tizzies. Beyond the challenge of actually pulling the rabbit out of the hat, there is the question of who is going to buy it even if it performs as advertised and DPR does its usual. 5DSR owners? 5DIV owners? 1D owners? Video shooters? Sony shooters? The Fuji crew? The supposed 850 is pretty high up the food chain to get a lot of people to switch systems.

 

[snoke]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Seems like the D850 is not a D810 replacement, but a new fancier price point above the D810 (or the D850 would take the top spot and the D810 would walk down in pricing a la the 5D3 in recent years):

This make sense. Allow Nikon better position for D750 & D610.

Nikon have 4 FF DSLR: DX, D8XX, D7XX, D6XX.

If D850 get 46MP, D750 get 36MP and D620 get 2xMP?

If D850 price move up, D750 have more room. D750 more MP, better AF and cheaper vs 5D4?

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

We shall see. A high end everything for everybody strategy while promising competitive pricing is great for fantasy spec tizzies. Beyond the challenge of actually pulling the rabbit out of the hat, there is the question of who is going to buy it even if it performs as advertised and DPR does its usual. 5DSR owners? 5DIV owners? 1D owners? Video shooters? Sony shooters? The Fuji crew? The supposed 850 is pretty high up the food chain to get a lot of people to switch systems.

I doubt it will get Sony shooters moving across unless they want an improvement for sports/wildlife while keeping their Sony for everything else.
I always imagine the Fuji owners as a group who buy into Fuji for things that don't really overlap with what DSLR does well so are less likely to buy into this. Rather like people liking the idiosyncracies of Pentax. I may well be wrong with that an happy to be corrected.
But his sounds like a system where a Canon user at a crossroads with their photography and own 6D or 80D thinking 'I really want to get into [area] seriously' and may well be in a position to sell their gear and move across without too much of a hit. I am not sure owners of 5DIV/1Dx would be willing to do that as often.

I think system switching is overplayed. If I were to buy the 5DIV I would look at the D850 a tad enviously with those specs, but as my main interest is with the 1Dx2 and neither the D850 nor the D5 are so superior to that camera as to make it worth the hassle of switching the body and (more importantly) all the lenses.

 

[scyrene]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

They forgot to give one of the most important feature number.

How many oil splatters on sensor per shutter actuation this new camera will be capable of. ;D

If this D850 camera materializes with these specs, Canonites won't be laughing that hard.

It's easy to blow off a 42 MP x 12 fps showcar of an A99 II rig because (a) it's Sony, (b) it's A mount and (b) SLTs aren't for everyone. But a Nikon rig spec'd like listed in the title + FX mount + surely 4K and other goodies will compete with the 5DS crowd and the 5D4 crowd.

Sony has put down a real 'marker' of a product down three times now:

• A7R II - nearly everything in one package (4K, IBIS, that great BSI sensor, high resolution, etc.)
  
• A99 II - a 12 fps A7R II, effectively
  
• A9 - a beast mode product (...that might be overly reliant on an electronic shutter and certainly lacks lenses for the sports/wildlife work it would be best suited for, but still.)
  

...but Nikon has only had great sensors (and you could argue better AF spread for an SLR) in its bodies to date. The D5 does not comprehensively leapfrog the 1DX2, and the D500 (for all its base ISO DR and 4K) is still a 20 MP x 10 fps rig that the 7D2 sells just fine against. Both the D5/D500 are fine products, but they don't have giggleworthy topline specs that mop the floor with Canon (unless you count completely BS/useless ISO limits).

But a Nikon D850 with the rumored specs would be like if Sony'd release an A7R III or A99 III with Nikon photographic know-how, Nikon controls/handling, Nikon AF, and the entire Nikkor portfolio working natively. In a sense, you could argue a D850 with those specs would represent the best of Sony's tech with the best of Nikon's know-how, and then the term 'the competition' takes on a completely different feel.

That's why I think this -- if it comes to pass as spec'd in this rumor -- would be a pretty serious shot across the bow for some professionals. Want speed? Want high resolution? Want 4K? Want great base ISO DR? Want a tilty-flippy? Yes to all counts.

- A

I dunno. The D800 was around for a while before the 5Ds(R) came out, and some people were very vocal that the lack of a real Canon competitor was harming/would harm them. But it didn't really dent Canon's position.

And why is everyone (here at least) always so positive about Nikon and Sony rumours/potential releases? Like everything they want will definitely come true with no compromises or problems (not from you ahsanford, but the general tone).

For what I do, I'd love more MP and more speed, but I suspect Canon will come out with a 5Ds(R) successor at some point in a year or two and it'll have at least more of one, if not both.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

They forgot to give one of the most important feature number.

How many oil splatters on sensor per shutter actuation this new camera will be capable of. ;D

If this D850 camera materializes with these specs, Canonites won't be laughing that hard.

It's easy to blow off a 42 MP x 12 fps showcar of an A99 II rig because (a) it's Sony, (b) it's A mount and (b) SLTs aren't for everyone. But a Nikon rig spec'd like listed in the title + FX mount + surely 4K and other goodies will compete with the 5DS crowd and the 5D4 crowd.

Sony has put down a real 'marker' of a product down three times now:

• A7R II - nearly everything in one package (4K, IBIS, that great BSI sensor, high resolution, etc.)
  
• A99 II - a 12 fps A7R II, effectively
  
• A9 - a beast mode product (...that might be overly reliant on an electronic shutter and certainly lacks lenses for the sports/wildlife work it would be best suited for, but still.)
  

...but Nikon has only had great sensors (and you could argue better AF spread for an SLR) in its bodies to date. The D5 does not comprehensively leapfrog the 1DX2, and the D500 (for all its base ISO DR and 4K) is still a 20 MP x 10 fps rig that the 7D2 sells just fine against. Both the D5/D500 are fine products, but they don't have giggleworthy topline specs that mop the floor with Canon (unless you count completely BS/useless ISO limits).

But a Nikon D850 with the rumored specs would be like if Sony'd release an A7R III or A99 III with Nikon photographic know-how, Nikon controls/handling, Nikon AF, and the entire Nikkor portfolio working natively. In a sense, you could argue a D850 with those specs would represent the best of Sony's tech with the best of Nikon's know-how, and then the term 'the competition' takes on a completely different feel.

That's why I think this -- if it comes to pass as spec'd in this rumor -- would be a pretty serious shot across the bow for some professionals. Want speed? Want high resolution? Want 4K? Want great base ISO DR? Want a tilty-flippy? Yes to all counts.

- A

I dunno. The D800 was around for a while before the 5Ds(R) came out, and some people were very vocal that the lack of a real Canon competitor was harming/would harm them. But it didn't really dent Canon's position.

And why is everyone (here at least) always so positive about Nikon and Sony rumours/potential releases? Like everything they want will definitely come true with no compromises or problems (not from you ahsanford, but the general tone).

For what I do, I'd love more MP and more speed, but I suspect Canon will come out with a 5Ds(R) successor at some point in a year or two and it'll have at least more of one, if not both.

I asked the same thing, btw.

 

[scyrene]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

I asked the same thing, btw.

Sorry! I lose track sometimes

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

I'm hoping that the camera is successful, but I bought a D800 when there was all the hoopla, and also bought some high end Nikon lenses to go with it. It was a disappointment as were the lenses.

Since that experience, I've been very pessimistic about buying a camera based on specifications, and even reviewers that use a camera differently than me, because they all missed a big issue for me, the live view tethering was just a bad joke. The lenses all had horrible CA's, but the camera did have high DR, but not high enough to save most high DR scenes. I did manage to take advantage of the ability to raise shadows greatly one time, and that worked well. As a camera for all around low ISO use, it did a great job, but in low light, it was noisy, and no usable tethering. Now, I see D810's going for $800 used.

 

[dak723]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Why should we not hope this camera does well? This isn't sports and the standings are essentially irrelevant as long as all the "teams" do well enough and stay competitive. I couldn't care less if Nikon sells more cameras than Canon. It won't matter to me or anyone else on this forum (unless you happen to be a Canon shareholder). All these "my camera is better than your camera" or "my brand sells more cameras than your brand" are so ridiculous. Who cares?

Now, Red Sox vs. Yankees or Dodgers vs. Giants - that's serious business!

 

[Jopa]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

some comments in the PP thread are quite revealing ;D

"...Canon better release a 6D Mark III soon. With everything they messed up with the 6D Mark II, this camera is gonna roast them hands down. Even 5D Mark IV should better dress warmly, cause winter's coming..."
oh, Schweppes.. Canon is in trouble.. again..

https://petapixel.com/2017/07/31/nikon-d850-will-baby-nikon-d5-reports-say/#comment-3445894407

It's not too late! Even without hurting sales of the existing Canon cameras. Simple answer - a 5DsR II. 50Mpx, on-sensor ADC, 8 fps, 4k, $4k, maybe even up to $4.5k (for the illuminated buttons LOL).

 

[ahsanford]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

It's not too late! Even without hurting sales of the existing Canon cameras. Simple answer - a 5DsR II. 50Mpx, on-sensor ADC, 8 fps, 4k, $4k, maybe even up to $4.5k (for the illuminated buttons LOL).

50 x 8 = 400 MP/s. That's more throughput than a 1DX2. Not happening until the 1-series is given that kind of throughput. The 1-series has always had the most throughput in the Canon line since... what, the 1D4?

- A

 

[snoke]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Now, I see D810's going for $800 used.

Good price for buyer. URL?