D850 a Baby Nikon D5: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

[Jopa]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

It's not too late! Even without hurting sales of the existing Canon cameras. Simple answer - a 5DsR II. 50Mpx, on-sensor ADC, 8 fps, 4k, $4k, maybe even up to $4.5k (for the illuminated buttons LOL).

50 x 8 = 400 MP/s. That's more throughput than a 1DX2. Not happening until the 1-series is given that kind of throughput. The 1-series has always had the most throughput in the Canon line since... what, the 1D4?

- A

Depends on how they position it (price point). I doubt the rumors are correct, but if Nikon really makes the d850 46 x 8fps, it will also surpass the D5 throughput significantly. I doubt this will change demand for the sports shooters since they care more about actual fps and won't mess with large slow-to-process files. Birders - maybe.
If Canon puts a high-res sensor in a 1d body (remember the old talk in a different thread), they can easily charge whatever they want plus it won't be any competition to the 1dx2 as well if they keep lower fps. Let's call it 1DsR

 

[Jopa]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Now, I see D810's going for $800 used.

Good price for buyer. URL?

Not a Nikon shooter, but at this price point I'll buy two. Just kidding, one. And the magnificent 105/1.4.

 

[tron]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

It's not too late! Even without hurting sales of the existing Canon cameras. Simple answer - a 5DsR II. 50Mpx, on-sensor ADC, 8 fps, 4k, $4k, maybe even up to $4.5k (for the illuminated buttons LOL).

50 x 8 = 400 MP/s. That's more throughput than a 1DX2. Not happening until the 1-series is given that kind of throughput. The 1-series has always had the most throughput in the Canon line since... what, the 1D4?

- A

Depends on how they position it (price point). I doubt the rumors are correct, but if Nikon really makes the d850 46 x 8fps, it will also surpass the D5 throughput significantly. I doubt this will change demand for the sports shooters since they care more about actual fps and won't mess with large slow-to-process files. Birders - maybe.
If Canon puts a high-res sensor in a 1d body (remember the old talk in a different thread), they can easily charge whatever they want plus it won't be any competition to the 1dx2 as well if they keep lower fps. Let's call it 1DsR

They do not clarify whether the 8fps apply to full frame mode or to crop only. The wording is up to 8fps which can have various meanings. But even if it is for crop only birders will be interested...

 

[OSOK]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Even if it is DX for 9 fps that is fantastic as this is just 1 frame slower than a D500 or 7D2 and the megapixels will be about the same. It's like having a built in D500. Nikon has the advantage in that you can actually mount and use DX lenses on their FX bodies. That is handy to make use of lesser expensive telephoto lenses.

If it's full FX @ 9fps then Nikon would not have leap frogged Canon, but left them in the dust! If these specs hold out to be true tomorrow - the D850 makes the 5D4 antiquated. Worse, it will make the industry wonder why Canon even bothered releasing it. Even short 5 megapixels to the 5DSR, the newer and better sensor will have more Dynamic Range and better noise handling, and that's aside from the faster frame rate, better AF and other features. Better noise handling means sharper more detailed images because noise reduction will mitigate the 5DSR resolution advantage.

Nikon is targeting both the 5D4 and the 5DSR lines with a single "do all" camera where you can have your cake and eat it. And to sweeten the deal, they are also giving it basic sports camera speed. This targets the 7D2 and even their own D500 with the exception of the endless buffer of the D500.

Price is the big question. If it doesn't cost as much as a full frame and dx sports camera combined, it will be a huge winner. The other question will be their quality control. After so many releases that had problems, the market will be less tolerant of Nikon botching this one up. D850 is fully loaded, almost too good to be true.

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Even if it is DX for 9 fps that is fantastic as this is just 1 frame slower than a D500 or 7D2 and the megapixels will be about the same. It's like having a built in D500. Nikon has the advantage in that you can actually mount and use DX lenses on their FX bodies. That is handy to make use of lesser expensive telephoto lenses.

If it's full FX @ 9fps then Nikon would not have leap frogged Canon, but left them in the dust! If these specs hold out to be true tomorrow - the D850 makes the 5D4 antiquated. Worse, it will make the industry wonder why Canon even bothered releasing it. Even short 5 megapixels to the 5DSR, the newer and better sensor will have more Dynamic Range and better noise handling, and that's aside from the faster frame rate, better AF and other features. Better noise handling means sharper more detailed images because noise reduction will mitigate the 5DSR resolution advantage.

Nikon is targeting both the 5D4 and the 5DSR lines with a single "do all" camera where you can have your cake and eat it. And to sweeten the deal, they are also giving it basic sports camera speed. This targets the 7D2 and even their own D500 with the exception of the endless buffer of the D500.

Price is the big question. If it doesn't cost as much as a full frame and dx sports camera combined, it will be a huge winner. The other question will be their quality control. After so many releases that had problems, the market will be less tolerant of Nikon botching this one up. D850 is fully loaded, almost too good to be true.

That sounds like a a script you give to your partner to read to you on a romantic date to get you 'in the mood'.

 

[Jopa]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Even if it is DX for 9 fps that is fantastic as this is just 1 frame slower than a D500 or 7D2 and the megapixels will be about the same. It's like having a built in D500. Nikon has the advantage in that you can actually mount and use DX lenses on their FX bodies. That is handy to make use of lesser expensive telephoto lenses.

If it's full FX @ 9fps then Nikon would not have leap frogged Canon, but left them in the dust! If these specs hold out to be true tomorrow - the D850 makes the 5D4 antiquated. Worse, it will make the industry wonder why Canon even bothered releasing it. Even short 5 megapixels to the 5DSR, the newer and better sensor will have more Dynamic Range and better noise handling, and that's aside from the faster frame rate, better AF and other features. Better noise handling means sharper more detailed images because noise reduction will mitigate the 5DSR resolution advantage.

Nikon is targeting both the 5D4 and the 5DSR lines with a single "do all" camera where you can have your cake and eat it. And to sweeten the deal, they are also giving it basic sports camera speed. This targets the 7D2 and even their own D500 with the exception of the endless buffer of the D500.

Price is the big question. If it doesn't cost as much as a full frame and dx sports camera combined, it will be a huge winner. The other question will be their quality control. After so many releases that had problems, the market will be less tolerant of Nikon botching this one up. D850 is fully loaded, almost too good to be true.

Dear canon troll, do you realize that the 5DsR existed since June 2015 and it's a 2+ years old camera?

 

[OSOK]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Turns out it is better than I expected. The 9 FPS is not DX. It's full FX.

The downside is, it is a $4,200 camera if you want 9 FPS. $3,300 if you want 7 fps. Still nice to have the choice in one single body. $900 more is 1/2 the price of a D500. And you get a vertical grip out of it and more battery life.

$150 for the battery
$400 for the grip
$370 for the charger

45 Megapixels at 9 FPS full-frame is simply amazing.

 

[Talys]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Even if it is DX for 9 fps that is fantastic as this is just 1 frame slower than a D500 or 7D2 and the megapixels will be about the same. It's like having a built in D500. Nikon has the advantage in that you can actually mount and use DX lenses on their FX bodies. That is handy to make use of lesser expensive telephoto lenses.

I think that sounds better than it actually is. Why would someone spend that much money on a body, to have vignetting and the IQ of a consumer grade lens? And really, are there any DX telephoto lenses you'd want to mount on an D850? I'm not really intimately familiar with them anymore, but I just can't imagine that to be a thing, to stick a $200 telephoto lens onto a $3000 body.

You'd do better the other way around, sticking a $3000 telephoto lens onto a $200 body.

 

[OSOK]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

It wouldn't be the main purpose to buy this camera to use DX lenses. But it is a nice option to have. Unlike Canon, you can buy a $500 18-200. It is great? No. But it's pretty good for a do-all travel lens. It's a lot smaller than dedicated FX lenses in these focal lengths.

20MP, 7-9fps, DX 18-200 is at least as good as anything you'll get on a D7200, D7500 or even a D500.

I really like that flexibility. For out and about informal, nonpro stuff - 20MP is plenty as is the IQ, and the convenience of 1 lens to cover everything I need is awesome.

Nice not having to buy another body just to get better than cell phone pictures. Also, nice not having to carry around huge, expensive FX lenses to get the same coverage.

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

It holds not attraction for me at all.
If I was that bothered about size, I would not be toting the D850 in the first place.

 

[OSOK]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

 

[CanonGuy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

They forgot to give one of the most important feature number.

How many oil splatters on sensor per shutter actuation this new camera will be capable of. ;D

I know some tunnel visioned fanboys will mention about recall citing shutter issue of D750. To you Sir, Nikon released D5, D500, D7500, D5600, D3400 etc. after D750. So I think they sorted their QC issue. And to add, Canon released a service advisory for their super popular 50mm 1.4. So, stop citing one issue that happened with a single product. Look around yourself. Time has changed

 

[CanonGuy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

How? They way the D850 combines the functionality of 5d4 and 5dSR. They way d850 can sweep the floor with either 5d4/5dsr when it comes in comparison with either those bodies individually.

But fan boys will be blind. I understand lol

 

[RayValdez360]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

It is so stupid to jump ship in the photography side of Canon. Nikon is marginally better and will barely make work easier. Also the future of Nikon is uncertain. If anything it would be better to go with Sony, their future looks bright and it offers the most features for the best price and they are getting way better with each new generation of camera which rapidly comes out. Also they have log modes and 4k and many slow motion modes compared to Canon or Nikon.

 

[unfocused]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon...
...Time will tell.

You sound super-excited by the new Nikon. I wish you well. Please post some pictures after you buy it, so we can all see if it makes a significant difference in the overall quality of your photography.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

How many times have I heard that statement every time Nikon finally caught up with Canon over the past 20 years or so. I hope Nikon has a winner, because they are slowly going out of business, and I would not want buyers to be stuck, nor would I want competition to go away.

I've heard that Samsung would put everyone out of business, I keep hearing how great Fujii cameras are, and how Sony is taking over, but things don't seem to change much. Sony has become a strong seller, but their sales are hurting just like every one else.

Some will up and sell all their gear and buy Nikon, some sell their Nikon gear and buy Canon, the grass is always greener ...

I've nothing against any of the gear out there, but customer service for Sony is beyond bad, Nikon is only slightly better, and Canon is the best. All cameras can fail, its nice to know that you do not have a 6 month wait for a repair and find it cost you two or three times as much. Those are things you do not find in the specification sheets.

 

[Orangutan]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

D850 is a game changer.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?

How? They way the D850 combines the functionality of 5d4 and 5dSR.

Seriously, the D850 looks pretty good on spec, but we'll need to see how it performs in the real world. I hope it's every bit as good as it appears to be -- competition is great for the consumer. Of course, the unspoken issue here is that the D800 and D810 were also "game changers" (actually, really nice bodies, aside from the manufacturing defects), but Nikon was never able to use them to increase their market share and profitability.

For the sake of us consumers, I hope the D850 is a great camera, and I hope Nikon doesn't miss the opportunity to improve its business health. Most of all, though, I hope this isn't a case of Nikon doubling-down on a strategy that didn't work before.

 

[Jeffrey]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

I'm keeping my two D180's for the moment. I want to test shoot the new camera and if I like it a lot more than the D810, I'll wait for someone who has purchased the D850 and realizes just how much storage the images take on their computer to trade it in. Then I'll buy a slightly used but basically new D850 at a significant discount.

I can say in all honesty that the new 200mm-500mm Nikon lens is simply sensational. That being said, Canon has some amazing glass too!

 

[unfocused]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

D850 is a game changer...

How many times have I heard that statement every time Nikon finally caught up with Canon over the past 20 years or so. I hope Nikon has a winner, because they are slowly going out of business...

I've heard that Samsung would put everyone out of business, I keep hearing how great Fujii cameras are, and how Sony is taking over, but things don't seem to change much. Sony has become a strong seller...

As I said when the new Nikon was announced, this isn't about Nikon taking market share from Canon. It is about Nikon trying to stem the bleeding to Sony.

Nikon is under direct challenge from Sony for the number two position. Look at the numbers over the past few years (they have been well-documented on this forum). Any market share growth that Sony and other third parties have gotten has come at the expense of Nikon, not Canon. They cannot afford to let that continue.

This "killer camera" is all about self-preservation against the Trojan Horse Nikon allowed in their camp by outsourcing their sensors. Should they pick up any Canon users, that's just gravy. Not their primary target.

If the end result is better cameras from Canon, that's a positive development. But, we shouldn't be so self-centered to think for a minute that this is about us (us being Canon users). It's all about the fight to be No. 2.