D850 a Baby Nikon D5: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

This "killer camera" is all about self-preservation against the Trojan Horse Nikon allowed in their camp by outsourcing their sensors. Should they pick up any Canon users, that's just gravy. Not their primary target.

That's an interesting comment. What 'Trojan horse' is that? As far as I can see, even when they were using Sony sensors for the D810 they were able to do more with the sensors than Sony were.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

If time tells that Canon has lost no marketshare to Nikon, will you admit you were wrong?

 

[tron]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

Allow me to remind you your own sayings:

...
As for the 5D Mark IV, Canon users with arsenals of serious glass will not care one bit what Nikon is doing - that camera will churn out great IQ day in day out. It is still an amazing body regardless of how good the D850 is.

I believe you answer to your self quite satisfactorily as far as 5D4 is concerned.

 

[deadwrong]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

Man o man, do you live in a camera cave. Check out the D850, it SLAYS ANYTHING Canon at the moment. I am about to jump ship to Nikon myself. Canon has missed the boat over and over......

 

[Talys]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Man o man, do you live in a camera cave. Check out the D850, it SLAYS ANYTHING Canon at the moment. I am about to jump ship to Nikon myself. Canon has missed the boat over and over......

You want a serious answer?

Yes, I am envious of many of the features of the D850 body. I would like to see them in the next Canon bodies, for sure.

HOWEVER, The D850 does not thing to fix...

... a 70-200 f2.8 VR without focus breathing and that isn't noticeably bigger and heavier than Canon's
... a missing 24-70 f4 VR? I don't think the have one yet, still.
... a missing 85mm f1.2
... anything comparable in size, sharpness, and MFD of the Canon 100-400LII
... small primes that are generally heavier, and with smaller apertures than Canon's top shelf offerings
... large primes that are nearly all 0.5kg - 1kg heavier than Canon counterparts
... a 600mm f/4 prime that is impossible to handhold, and ginormously larger than Canon
... inferior focal length to weight ratios for every single large telephoto

There is pretty much no lens from the Nikon world that a Canon user really misses, except for a cheap 200-500/5.6 option. Sure, in the consumer lens kit world, Nikon and Canon are pretty competitive. But who cares, in a $3,000 camera. In the pro lenses, they're not even close, and in North America, many of the Canon options that most people with $3,000 bodies will buy at some point are better AND cheaper.

Why can't Nikon make better glass?

Actually, that isn't rhetorical. It's why I left Nikon and switched to Canon, many years ago; also why I abandoned MFT. All the neat features on the body pale in comparison to, "wow, that is an AWESOME lens!". Excluding studio stuff, at least two-thirds of my photography spending is on lenses, and good lenses have a very long lifespan, plus very good value retention. I've never once regretted spending money on a good lens, and every lens upgrade I've ever purchased has noticeably improved my output or opened up new possibilities, while most body upgrades only marginally improve either, if at all.

I intend for my photography to be something that I enjoy for many decades to come. I expect that I'll spend in total tens of thousands of dollars in total, and though I love technology and gadgetry, I'll choose optics over body tech if I must choose between them, because at the end of the day, historically, it's only been a matter of time before everyone has some feature on the body, but it can be forever waiting for the missing glass.

It's also why sports event sidelines looks like this:

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

Man o man, do you live in a camera cave. Check out the D850, it SLAYS ANYTHING Canon at the moment. I am about to jump ship to Nikon myself. Canon has missed the boat over and over......

And there you go again. When someone asks for clarification on their opinion. the only response you can come up with is to invade someone else's discussion with insults about people 'living in a cave' instead of actually engaging in meaningful discussion. You really are getting tedious.

And if you think that capitalising 'it slays anything Canon at the moment' is an explanation of why it is a game shifter then perhaps you really ought to read about logic and discourse to understand what I am hoping to find out.

I would say 'buy Nikon and I hope you are happy' but unfortunately I don't think it would stop you coming on this site and doing the same, tedious thing.

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

It's also why sports event sidelines looks like this:

Now, now....be fair...you do realise that all the others are in fact Sony A9s with Metabones adapters fitted to Canon big primes. Didn't you know that Sony is the body that real professionals would consider using?

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Why can't Nikon make better glass?

Actually, that isn't rhetorical. It's why I left Nikon and switched to Canon, many years ago; also why I abandoned MFT. All the neat features on the body pale in comparison to, "wow, that is an AWESOME lens!". Excluding studio stuff, at least two-thirds of my photography spending is on lenses, and good lenses have a very long lifespan, plus very good value retention. I've never once regretted spending money on a good lens, and every lens upgrade I've ever purchased has noticeably improved my output or opened up new possibilities, while most body upgrades only marginally improve either, if at all.

I intend for my photography to be something that I enjoy for many decades to come. I expect that I'll spend in total tens of thousands of dollars in total, and though I love technology and gadgetry, I'll choose optics over body tech if I must choose between them, because at the end of the day, historically, it's only been a matter of time before everyone has some feature on the body, but it can be forever waiting for the missing glass.

And that is why I went Canon when I got back into photography. The bodies were somewhat behind, and may always be. So? Glass is forever (or a couple of decades at least), bodies are practically fruit flies by comparison. The 5D4 is an excellent upgrade to my 5D3 and I'll probably jump on it eventually. In the meantime, the 24-70/2.8ii, 70-200/2.8ISii, and 100-400ii are utterly outstanding. And then there's the 35/2IS and the 100L. I'll probably be using them all on the 5D6 eventually.

 

[tron]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Why can't Nikon make better glass?

Actually, that isn't rhetorical. It's why I left Nikon and switched to Canon, many years ago; also why I abandoned MFT. All the neat features on the body pale in comparison to, "wow, that is an AWESOME lens!". Excluding studio stuff, at least two-thirds of my photography spending is on lenses, and good lenses have a very long lifespan, plus very good value retention. I've never once regretted spending money on a good lens, and every lens upgrade I've ever purchased has noticeably improved my output or opened up new possibilities, while most body upgrades only marginally improve either, if at all.

I intend for my photography to be something that I enjoy for many decades to come. I expect that I'll spend in total tens of thousands of dollars in total, and though I love technology and gadgetry, I'll choose optics over body tech if I must choose between them, because at the end of the day, historically, it's only been a matter of time before everyone has some feature on the body, but it can be forever waiting for the missing glass.

And that is why I went Canon when I got back into photography. The bodies were somewhat behind, and may always be. So? Glass is forever (or a couple of decades at least), bodies are practically fruit flies by comparison. The 5D4 is an excellent upgrade to my 5D3 and I'll probably jump on it eventually. In the meantime, the 24-70/2.8ii, 70-200/2.8ISii, and 100-400ii are utterly outstanding. And then there's the 35/2IS and the 100L. I'll probably be using them all on the 5D6 eventually.

+1 I used to get Canon lenses since the analog era and I did not care for having top-tier bodies.

 

[deadwrong]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

Man o man, do you live in a camera cave. Check out the D850, it SLAYS ANYTHING Canon at the moment. I am about to jump ship to Nikon myself. Canon has missed the boat over and over......

And there you go again. When someone asks for clarification on their opinion. the only response you can come up with is to invade someone else's discussion with insults about people 'living in a cave' instead of actually engaging in meaningful discussion. You really are getting tedious.

And if you think that capitalising 'it slays anything Canon at the moment' is an explanation of why it is a game shifter then perhaps you really ought to read about logic and discourse to understand what I am hoping to find out.

I would say 'buy Nikon and I hope you are happy' but unfortunately I don't think it would stop you coming on this site and doing the same, tedious thing.

:'( - oh wah sorry for hurting your feelings. But I actually like Canon and want to stay with them however they just decided to stall out innovation-wise. I could buy a 5div today but is that such a wise investment considering that they are making cameras for today rather than something that will be ancient in 2 years or less.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

Man o man, do you live in a camera cave. Check out the D850, it SLAYS ANYTHING Canon at the moment. I am about to jump ship to Nikon myself. Canon has missed the boat over and over......

And there you go again. When someone asks for clarification on their opinion. the only response you can come up with is to invade someone else's discussion with insults about people 'living in a cave' instead of actually engaging in meaningful discussion. You really are getting tedious.

And if you think that capitalising 'it slays anything Canon at the moment' is an explanation of why it is a game shifter then perhaps you really ought to read about logic and discourse to understand what I am hoping to find out.

I would say 'buy Nikon and I hope you are happy' but unfortunately I don't think it would stop you coming on this site and doing the same, tedious thing.

:'( - oh wah sorry for hurting your feelings. But I actually like Canon and want to stay with them however they just decided to stall out innovation-wise. I could buy a 5div today but is that such a wise investment considering that they are making cameras for today rather than something that will be ancient in 2 years or less.

No one's feelings are hurt. If you'd be happier with another camera, buy another camera. What we don't understand is why you're so insecure in your preference for another camera that you want to convince us we'd be happier elsewhere as well. Why is it important to you for us to agree with you?

 

[Mikehit]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

:'( - oh wah sorry for hurting your feelings. But I actually like Canon and want to stay with them however they just decided to stall out innovation-wise. I could buy a 5div today but is that such a wise investment considering that they are making cameras for today rather than something that will be ancient in 2 years or less.

I can assure you no feelings are hurt.
It is just tiresome to read you repeating comments which actually contain very little of value to a genuine discussion. You seem obsessed with whether or not Canon are innovating - the only question I have is whether the Canon system do what I need it to. And when it comes down to it, the pros of staying with Canon outweigh the few advantages I would get in buying something else and having made that decision I don't feel the need to throw tantrums on an internet forum.

If Nikon do what you want better than Canon does then sell up and switch systems. If you refuse to switch systems, stop belly aching (because that is what you are doing), accept your decision and discuss the pros and cons like an adult.

 

[Fatalv]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Why can't Nikon make better glass?

Actually, that isn't rhetorical. It's why I left Nikon and switched to Canon, many years ago; also why I abandoned MFT. All the neat features on the body pale in comparison to, "wow, that is an AWESOME lens!". Excluding studio stuff, at least two-thirds of my photography spending is on lenses, and good lenses have a very long lifespan, plus very good value retention. I've never once regretted spending money on a good lens, and every lens upgrade I've ever purchased has noticeably improved my output or opened up new possibilities, while most body upgrades only marginally improve either, if at all.

I intend for my photography to be something that I enjoy for many decades to come. I expect that I'll spend in total tens of thousands of dollars in total, and though I love technology and gadgetry, I'll choose optics over body tech if I must choose between them, because at the end of the day, historically, it's only been a matter of time before everyone has some feature on the body, but it can be forever waiting for the missing glass.

And that is why I went Canon when I got back into photography. The bodies were somewhat behind, and may always be. So? Glass is forever (or a couple of decades at least), bodies are practically fruit flies by comparison. The 5D4 is an excellent upgrade to my 5D3 and I'll probably jump on it eventually. In the meantime, the 24-70/2.8ii, 70-200/2.8ISii, and 100-400ii are utterly outstanding. And then there's the 35/2IS and the 100L. I'll probably be using them all on the 5D6 eventually.

+1 I used to get Canon lenses since the analog era and I did not care for having top-tier bodies.

+2

I've accepted that Canon may never be on the bleeding edge of sensor technology. But at the end of the day my 5DMK3 does the majority of what I want/need (besides video). Bodies come and go, but unless the EF mount disappears sometime soon (unlikely) my lenses will likely outlive me!

That being said, if Canon came out with a 5DS MkII with the D850 specs I'd be on the preorder list and my backup 7D would be on Ebay I'm excited to see how/if Canon responds! Competition is great for us all.

 

[scyrene]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

Several Canon owners I know are ready to jump ship and go to Nikon.

You will benefit by the increase in discount priced used Canon gear.

D850 is a game changer. Canon has painted themselves into a corner. If they make the 5DSR mark II anywhere near competitive to the D850, they will have killed the 5D Mark IV. The 5D4 is less than a year old, so isn't ready for an update for quite a long time.

Canon has to choose, improve the 5DSR at the expense of the 5D4, or protect both lines at the expense of leaving Nikon as having the best $3,000 class DSLR. New users aren't going to be too keen on having multiple-body solutions from Canon at vastly increased costs.

Time will tell.

How is the D850 a 'game changer'?
How have Canon 'painted themselves into a corner'?
It seems to me you are spouting phrases that sound intelligent to you but are in fact quite meaningless.

Man o man, do you live in a camera cave. Check out the D850, it SLAYS ANYTHING Canon at the moment. I am about to jump ship to Nikon myself. Canon has missed the boat over and over......

And there you go again. When someone asks for clarification on their opinion. the only response you can come up with is to invade someone else's discussion with insults about people 'living in a cave' instead of actually engaging in meaningful discussion. You really are getting tedious.

And if you think that capitalising 'it slays anything Canon at the moment' is an explanation of why it is a game shifter then perhaps you really ought to read about logic and discourse to understand what I am hoping to find out.

I would say 'buy Nikon and I hope you are happy' but unfortunately I don't think it would stop you coming on this site and doing the same, tedious thing.

:'( - oh wah sorry for hurting your feelings. But I actually like Canon and want to stay with them however they just decided to stall out innovation-wise. I could buy a 5div today but is that such a wise investment considering that they are making cameras for today rather than something that will be ancient in 2 years or less.

No one's feelings are hurt. If you'd be happier with another camera, buy another camera. What we don't understand is why you're so insecure in your preference for another camera that you want to convince us we'd be happier elsewhere as well. Why is it important to you for us to agree with you?

It's simple: he's a troll, in the truest sense of the word. He wants to rile people. Add him to your mute list and let's be done with it.

 

[Jopa]

Re: D850 a ‘Baby Nikon D5’: 46 MP + 10 fps + D5 AF setup

accept your decision and discuss the pros and cons like an adult.

How do you know he's an adult? ;D