Describe the 6D in one word...

[K-amps]

So they have the worst of Apple without the best.

+1

 

[robbinzo]

I would have been interested if this camera had a decent AF system. It hasn't. It has one center cross type point (see link below)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-6D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

Why would Canon put such a bad AF system in to a camera that is supposed to be an UPGRADE

 

[Canon-F1]

I have 3000$ to spend on camera gear: who gives me more? Nikon? Fine. Sold. That's as far as it goes for me. A camera is a tool, not an idol to worship. I can be loyal to my local grocer, someone I look in the face everyday and exchange xmas wishes with, not a mega company which only interacts with me through a help desk and has no idea and no care of who I am. How can you be loyal to something like that?

what if you have 16.000$ worth of canon glas? :

 

[Albi86]

I have 3000$ to spend on camera gear: who gives me more? Nikon? Fine. Sold. That's as far as it goes for me. A camera is a tool, not an idol to worship. I can be loyal to my local grocer, someone I look in the face everyday and exchange xmas wishes with, not a mega company which only interacts with me through a help desk and has no idea and no care of who I am. How can you be loyal to something like that?

what if you have 16.000$ worth of canon glas? :

Surely I would not be the sort of customer interested in the 6D

 

[K-amps]

I have 3000$ to spend on camera gear: who gives me more? Nikon? Fine. Sold. That's as far as it goes for me. A camera is a tool, not an idol to worship. I can be loyal to my local grocer, someone I look in the face everyday and exchange xmas wishes with, not a mega company which only interacts with me through a help desk and has no idea and no care of who I am. How can you be loyal to something like that?

what if you have 16.000$ worth of canon glas? :

+1 and stand to lose 10% in re-sale value and another 10% in Evil bay fees... thats the price of a 5diii (sorry could'nt resist)

 

[Canon-F1]

Surely I would not be the sort of customer interested in the 6D

well i am... i need a second FF body as backup but im not going to buy a 5D MK3 or a second 5D MK2.

the 5D MK3 is overprized .. the 5D MK2 is to old.

so i look at the nikon camp and i see nice cameras i would like to have.

 

[Canon-F1]

+1 and stand to lose 10% in re-sale value and another 10% in Evil bay fees... thats the price of a 5diii (sorry could'nt resist)

actually i think i will be more then 10%.

they sell the 70-200mm f4 IS (love it for landscape work because it´s so light) for 1000 euro here (new) .. on ebay they are sold for ~750-800 euro.

the 100mm IS macro i bought for 880 euro is often sold for 650 on ebay (saw it for 580 euro last week).

i guess it will be close to 20% +9 % ebay fees.

 

[Albi86]

I have 3000$ to spend on camera gear: who gives me more? Nikon? Fine. Sold. That's as far as it goes for me. A camera is a tool, not an idol to worship. I can be loyal to my local grocer, someone I look in the face everyday and exchange xmas wishes with, not a mega company which only interacts with me through a help desk and has no idea and no care of who I am. How can you be loyal to something like that?

what if you have 16.000$ worth of canon glas? :

+1 and stand to lose 10% in re-sale value and another 10% in Evil bay fees... thats the price of a 5diii (sorry could'nt resist)

That's convenience, not loyalty - and we agree about that.

Loyalty implies having feelings.

 

[aznable]

I have 3000$ to spend on camera gear: who gives me more? Nikon? Fine. Sold.

it depends what you want to do with the camera; the best all around cameras at a reasonable price in my opinion are the 1dmk iii/iv and 5d mk3

i have a Windows phone 4 the record

 

[Albi86]

I have 3000$ to spend on camera gear: who gives me more? Nikon? Fine. Sold.

it depends what you want to do with the camera; the best all around cameras at a reasonable price in my opinion are the 1dmk iii/iv and 5d mk3

i have a Windows phone 4 the record

I prefer spending much less for the D600

 

[aznable]

I prefer spending much less for the D600

to shot landscapes/studio i would buy an sd1...better sealing, cheaper lenses

 

[funkboy]

Re: Describe the 6D in one phrase...

"Better than the 5DII it replaces."

The 5D c was "the original entry-level full-frame camera"

The 5DII was the upgrade of the original entry-level FF camera, to which they added movie mode almost as an afterthought & turned the cinematography world on its head.

The 5DIII is clearly *not* an entry-level FF camera; it's very much a professional camera that sits in the lineup with cameras like the 1DIV. It's got professional AF, professional construction & sealing (which is why it doesn't have built-in wi-fi & gps; the signals won't go through the all-metal body). And a professional price...

But the 5DII is still selling like crazy several months after the 5DIII was released, because you can get a brand one now from reputable shops for a little over half the price of a mk3 (or a guaranteed refurb for ~$200 less than that, putting it comfortably under half the cost of its "replacement").

As noted here the other day, the 5DII just hit four years old. The supply contracts on some of the components are probably running out soon, which means that some of the parts needed to make it won't be available anymore (or at least not in the prices & volumes that they're used to). This would require redesigning circuits (& possibly firmware) to use newer components that replace the discontinued ones. I'm sure Fukushima didn't help the supply contract situation much either. The end result is that they have a near-obsolete camera (from a manufacturing perspective) that is still selling like crazy, which is not really a situation they've been in before in recent memory.

So they would be braindead not to replace the "just under $2K" full-frame position in their lineup with something in the segment that will continue capitalizing on the demand for an FF camera in this price range.

And it'll appeal to a wider audience than the 5DII it replaces. It's smaller, lighter, takes the SD cards that the cameras that a lot of people upgrading to it have, and has better low-light performance & better AF (which is why I'm getting one).

I think it's clear by now that the 6D is *not* in fact a reaction to the D600; if it was they surely would have put at least 7D-grade AF and the LCD viewfinder overlay screen in there.

The 6D is the replacement for the 2012 5DII.

 

[K-amps]

Re: Describe the 6D in one phrase...

I think it's clear by now that the 6D is *not* in fact a reaction to the D600; if it was they surely would have put at least 7D-grade AF and the LCD viewfinder overlay screen in there.

The 6D is the replacement for the 2012 5DII.

So this was a planned fail ?

 

[Matthew Payne]

First Post, and I'll admit its on a controversial subject.

I own a 5DII that I have had for nearly 2 years. My photography is funded fully by photography... ie I shoot weddings to cover the cost of my gear, my passion is for landscape shots, but I still have a day job for the household bills.

If I had been looking for a 'first' FF digital camera (although Ive been using 35mm film for years) I would have bought this in a flash.

Its full frame, but it's small.
It has decent resolution (pixel count) but without pummelling my hard drive!
It has a metal body
It has interchangeable focussing screens as I love manual focus (those tiny Voigtlander lenses are awesome)

I know its bettered by the D600 in many ways, but in all honesty I still like the combination of specs.

 

[scokar]

it's almost a 5DIIn

 

[nf]

Dear all,
first of all sorry for my poor English... I have been a Nikon user (D700) for a while (six months, four years ago) before switching to Canon and still very happy about my decision. I have a 5d MKII and a 5d MK III and I would NEVER change to Nikon (even if I would get a D800 for free).
The reasons are many... I would not hurt anyone but I would like to say something to explain my position:

1) Canon glasses >> I have six L lenses.. not possible to compare even with the greatest Nikon glasses..

2) Canon colours >> I am very surprised that nobody speaks about it Have you ever worked on a greenish Nikon RAW? Have you ever tried to put good colors in a Nikon RAW file (similar to the great Kodachrome)? I know PS can do great things but I have never been able to get good results... with Canon it keep me two minutes to get exactly what I want!

3) Canon Services > Have you ever called a Nikon Service for a problem? Good luck!

4) Would you spend your time choosing one of the 345 AF points instead of understand the right focal plane to focus with a single point?

5) Have you ever tried both systems? I did.. I also used for a weekend the D800 and I don't like at what I get, it doesn't matter DR and many many MP... the images look VERY artificial..

So please TRY the 6D before judging... when I bought the 5d mk III I just saw the specs and I was sure it was only a real small update.. I change my idea when I started to use it.. USE IT AND JUDGE IT!!!

 

[Zlatko]

Do you think it's something new that electronics companies (or any company for that matter) has different products at different price points in their line up? They're all cameras so there has to be some differentiation in features, quality, etc. to justify the price.

Thank you for stating what should seem obvious, but apparently isn't understood by many. Photographers are always complaining that a lesser model is a "crippled" version of a more expensive model, and a more expensive model is an "overpriced" version of a lesser model. Why don't people understand the basic principle of "You get what you pay for"?

well i think you don´t understand that people complain here because they can get more from nikon these days....

and unfortunately some of them have invested a 5 figure number in canon lenses....

They think they "can get more from Nikon". There are some things that are not in the specs that you only learn by using a system. I've found Canon's color (especially when photographing humans) and ergonomics and flash system to be better overall, and their service is excellent. Canon offers smaller raw file sizes — essential for some photographers.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

................All things considered, given the product cycles, I'm likely to start building up a Nikon stable of gear, and I'd likely start with a D800. Why in the world would Canon want me to do that? Me, of all people.

Just plain tragic .

For the record, you are complaining, but it is ok to complain. Canon overpriced the 5diii and now barely 6 months after it's release, it is selling for $750 less (thats over a 20% drop in 6 months!) ... if that is not a reality check , what is?

Does this not prove it was over priced? Why don't the fanbois come out and say it instead of defending Canon or attacking it's loyal customer base? Has the D800 lost 20% of it's release price? Why not?

I know how I saved up to buy a 5diii (I am sure others did not have unlimited funds either) ... and one of the many factors that affected my decisions of buying a Canon was that I would not lose a lot on resale... well that notion has gone down the toilet. While there is some blame on the sensor design team, one does not feel hate for them... they probably did the best they could given the circumstance... what was completely avoidable was a marketing/ pricing debacle that they did with the 5diii.

not to burst your bubble --- but the $750 less on the mk3 you're talking about was from a store (adorama), selling through ebay - it was a one day sale. The price of the mk3 is still the same...

 

[funkboy]

Re: Describe the 6D in one phrase...

So this was a planned fail ?

I'd say that this was planned not-cannibalizing-the-mark-3-as-much-as-we-can-get-away-with. DPReview summed it up quite succinctly:

Overall, though, it's difficult to shake the feeling that the EOS 6D simply lacks the 'wow' factor of its main rival. Whereas Nikon seems to have taken the approach of taking away as little as possible from D800 when creating the D600, Canon appears almost to have gone the other way, removing as much as it thinks it can get away with at the price. The result is the kind of conservative, slightly unimaginative design that's become the company's hallmark. It's still bound to be a very good camera, of course; just perhaps not quite as good as it could be.

Although with the D800 being what it is, & Sony sensor production being what it is, Canon's marketing would be pretty dumb to assume that an entry-level FX Nikon wasn't coming down the pipe. The Sony entries were a little harder to predict as they're both pretty unique cameras, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there are a lot of people out there that want a camera with extremely high image quality in as small a package as possible.

 

[funkboy]

it's almost a 5DIIn

That's an excellent summary of the positioning of this camera. I was thinking earlier that it reminded me of the jump between 20D & 30D.