I like to shoot video occasionally, but nobody in my family has a 4K TV. Even if my camera had 4K video, I would still set it to FHD.
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mkabi said:Most people will lie that they can see the difference about 6 to 8 feet away on a 50 to 60 inch TV, I don't know why...
MJ said:expatinasia said:...What concerns me is that 4K might already be passé. Apple has 5k monitors and Dell recently announced 8k monitors, and I would expect more companies to follow suit. I wonder whether we are only seeing the continued push of 4K because so many companies have invested in it....
Personally I would think that one needs the proper hardware to display/edit before even shooting in 4K, otherwise what's the point?
And whether it is going to be outdated like 480 or 720 by 1080, only the the future will tell.
TeT said:I still download and play movies in 720.. 1080 is often available but file size + TV size etc... I am good watching 720. If & When I get larger tv, maybe we will think about 1080 or not...
expatinasia said:TeT said:I still download and play movies in 720.. 1080 is often available but file size + TV size etc... I am good watching 720. If & When I get larger tv, maybe we will think about 1080 or not...
This really is not about what you watch today, though I expect most people will have full HD TVs at home, even if the majority do not yet have 4K TVs.
I also doubt that anyone shoots in 720, even if you are watching them at 480 or 720.
This is about future proofing your work. To be able to shoot in 4K and take stills from that, or downsize it to 1080p while still keeping the 4K files is valuable.
I recently did a shoot which was stills plus video. There was one shot in the video that my client really liked which I had not taken a still of. If that video was in 4K I would be able to give him a very good quality still. That is just one very small example.
I am sure that those who do not understand will ask the same about 8K video when the time comes, and on it goes.
neuroanatomist said:sanj said:Absolutely yes. This question is obsolete now.
Indeed, that's been effectively demonstrated by the responses to the poll above.
privatebydesign said:No, not one iota.
4K is completely over hyped, who the hell wants to see a newscaster's pimple from 30ft'?
I can well understand it, and higher resolutions, for big budget productions where the visuals are a vital component of 'the experience' but 4K footage of your dog on the beach, you can keep it.
Two core reasoning's for 4K are pretty weak too. The first is, I need to shoot 4K so I can edit down to HD in post for cropping and stabilization purposes, is akin to saying I shoot with a 100mm lens so I can crop down to a 400mm fov for my wildlife shooting, or, I shoot medium format stills so I can edit down to 135 format! Can you imagine somebody suggesting that? If you use either of those reasoning's then you no longer have 4K quality anyway so what was the point of shooting it?
Linked to that is the comment "it is inevitable". Well the HD standard works pretty well for the screen size viewing distance coc calculations that are based on human vision, so most of the time we see very little difference. Sure in the store when you stand next to a 4K and an HD screen the difference is dramatic, and we have progressed towards larger screens and shorter viewing distances, but for most people when they get the 4K screen home and in their normal position the differences are not so big and often not actually viewable with the naked eye. Which puts 4K into perspective and gives higher resolution systems a very real limit to practical applications.
The second reasoning is the "I can take still images from my 4K footage", really? The 1DX was hyped with that capability and every still I saw from it looked pretty weak in comparison to an 18MP still from the same camera.
But it is a great way of selling media cards, HDD's, and computing power.........
Ruined said:Halfrack said:If you need help selling a 4K recording, pull out a VHS tape and see how good it looks on your 60" HDTV. In 10 years, HD will look the same - antiquated, low quality. We capture once in a lifetime events, generally speaking, I want to offer my clients the very best possible currently. Otherwise, might as well get out the 8mm camcorder.
This is a poor analogy due to the diminishing returns of 4K vs average display size. 4K requires around 120" screen to start really noticing a difference over 1080p from normal seating distance (source: Joe Kane), which is over double the average display size end users have. Technology has evolved a lot but eventually displays just get too big for a living space, and for 99.9% of people 120" will be too big.
About the only good argument for 4K video is if you are going to crop a lot, as it will allow you to do a significant crop while retaining acceptable pixel density. It can also be used as a marketing tool to differentiate yourself from your competition, but it is not something the end user will significantly benefit from.
For the vast majority of end users, though, there will be no noticeable difference between 4k and 1080p. An analogy to the audio world: 4k is like DVD-Audio and SACD - technically better than standard CD, but differences that are not audible. 24bit/96khz may be useful to the producer, but for the end user anything more than 16bit/44.1khz is a waste.
Tugela said:privatebydesign said:No, not one iota.
4K is completely over hyped, who the hell wants to see a newscaster's pimple from 30ft'?
I can well understand it, and higher resolutions, for big budget productions where the visuals are a vital component of 'the experience' but 4K footage of your dog on the beach, you can keep it.
Two core reasoning's for 4K are pretty weak too. The first is, I need to shoot 4K so I can edit down to HD in post for cropping and stabilization purposes, is akin to saying I shoot with a 100mm lens so I can crop down to a 400mm fov for my wildlife shooting, or, I shoot medium format stills so I can edit down to 135 format! Can you imagine somebody suggesting that? If you use either of those reasoning's then you no longer have 4K quality anyway so what was the point of shooting it?
Linked to that is the comment "it is inevitable". Well the HD standard works pretty well for the screen size viewing distance coc calculations that are based on human vision, so most of the time we see very little difference. Sure in the store when you stand next to a 4K and an HD screen the difference is dramatic, and we have progressed towards larger screens and shorter viewing distances, but for most people when they get the 4K screen home and in their normal position the differences are not so big and often not actually viewable with the naked eye. Which puts 4K into perspective and gives higher resolution systems a very real limit to practical applications.
The second reasoning is the "I can take still images from my 4K footage", really? The 1DX was hyped with that capability and every still I saw from it looked pretty weak in comparison to an 18MP still from the same camera.
But it is a great way of selling media cards, HDD's, and computing power.........
Shoot a scene with lots of foliage (or some other non regular detail) in it with a wide angle (not of large objects) in HD and 4K. Then view the scenes on an HD panel and a 4K panel of the same size. The difference will be immediate and stark, because the HD footage cannot resolve the detail you are looking at.
The mistake people make is looking at something like a person or some other large object close to the camera with a narrow field of view. And in a situation like that visually your brain will register the large object over detail, and may not "notice" the stark differences between the two clips. That completely changes when you look at a scene shot with a wide angle of view with lots of small detail that is the focus of attention.
Frankly, the people who say "oh, you can't tell the difference" just boggles the mind. They either have bad eyesight or have never actually seen 4K footage and base their opinion on stuff they have heard as opposed to actual experience.
expatinasia said:TeT said:I still download and play movies in 720.. 1080 is often available but file size + TV size etc... I am good watching 720. If & When I get larger tv, maybe we will think about 1080 or not...
This really is not about what you watch today, though I expect most people will have full HD TVs at home, even if the majority do not yet have 4K TVs.
I also doubt that anyone shoots in 720, even if you are watching them at 480 or 720.
This is about future proofing your work. To be able to shoot in 4K and take stills from that, or downsize it to 1080p while still keeping the 4K files is valuable.
I recently did a shoot which was stills plus video. There was one shot in the video that my client really liked which I had not taken a still of. If that video was in 4K I would be able to give him a very good quality still. That is just one very small example.
I am sure that those who do not understand will ask the same about 8K video when the time comes, and on it goes.
Interesting point of view.privatebydesign said:Two core reasoning's for 4K are pretty weak too. The first is, I need to shoot 4K so I can edit down to HD in post for cropping and stabilization purposes, is akin to saying I shoot with a 100mm lens so I can crop down to a 400mm fov for my wildlife shooting, or, I shoot medium format stills so I can edit down to 135 format! Can you imagine somebody suggesting that? If you use either of those reasoning's then you no longer have 4K quality anyway so what was the point of shooting it?