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Does Canon really deserve this?
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It is in Norwegian though. It only list 2014 releases. Best pro camera is Nikon D810 ("the amateur´s dream, the pro´s choice"). Link attached:sanj said:
http://www.lydogbilde.no/nyheter/foto-video/ta-bedre-bilder
The interesting thing though, for someone like Canon, is that these articles have a very large audience and the readers expect this to be expert advice. And for all I know (I have the RX100 III, which is a phenomenal compact camera) it may also be good advice.
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see also Thom Hogan's choices ... of course he is certainly no friend of Canon ... but he also only recommends 1 Nikon and 3 Sony cameras. 
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/what-you-should-buy.html
"Best Compact": Sony RX-100 III
"Best all around camera": Sony RX-10
"Best all-around Mirrorless": Sony A6000
"Best all-around DSLR": Nikon D810
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/what-you-should-buy.html"Best Compact": Sony RX-100 III
"Best all around camera": Sony RX-10
"Best all-around Mirrorless": Sony A6000
"Best all-around DSLR": Nikon D810
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No, it is not useless, because it is a reference for people thinking of buying into a camera system. And the advice they are getting does not include Canon. Whether you or I agree with their recommendations, is absolutely irrelevant. Ruling these lists in the past has been one of the main contributors to Canon´s previous success and now they´re gone.neuroanatomist said:Eldar said:
Well, that makes the 'recommendations' completely useless as far as high-end cameras. But thanks for sharing. :
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I think that the point Neuroanatomist is trying to make is that Canon did not release any "pro" cameras in 2014, they couldn't be on a list limited to "2014 releases." Had Canon released the 5DMkIV in 2014 and not made the list then it might be considered a bad sign. Not reading Norwegian (heck, still working on my native English) I don't know what the categories were but did Canon release any camera's in 2014 in time to be evaluated for this article that fit into any of the categories?Eldar said:No, it is not useless, because it is a reference for people thinking of buying into a camera system. And the advice they are getting does not include Canon. Whether you or I agree with their recommendations, is absolutely irrelevant. Ruling these lists in the past has been one of the main contributors to Canon´s previous success and now they´re gone.neuroanatomist said:Eldar said:
Well, that makes the 'recommendations' completely useless as far as high-end cameras. But thanks for sharing. :
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7D2?Old Sarge said:I think that the point Neuroanatomist is trying to make is that Canon did not release any "pro" cameras in 2014, they couldn't be on a list limited to "2014 releases." Had Canon released the 5DMkIV in 2014 and not made the list then it might be considered a bad sign. Not reading Norwegian (heck, still working on my native English) I don't know what the categories were but did Canon release any camera's in 2014 in time to be evaluated for this article that fit into any of the categories?Eldar said:No, it is not useless, because it is a reference for people thinking of buying into a camera system. And the advice they are getting does not include Canon. Whether you or I agree with their recommendations, is absolutely irrelevant. Ruling these lists in the past has been one of the main contributors to Canon´s previous success and now they´re gone.neuroanatomist said:Eldar said:
Well, that makes the 'recommendations' completely useless as far as high-end cameras. But thanks for sharing. :
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Eldar said:No, it is not useless, because it is a reference for people thinking of buying into a camera system. And the advice they are getting does not include Canon. Whether you or I agree with their recommendations, is absolutely irrelevant. Ruling these lists in the past has been one of the main contributors to Canon´s previous success and now they´re gone.neuroanatomist said:Eldar said:
Well, that makes the 'recommendations' completely useless as far as high-end cameras. But thanks for sharing. :
They're 'gone' because they didn't release a high-end dSLR in 2014. What was the 2013 pro recommendation...the D610?
FWIW, Canon bodies still top several such lists.
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Don Haines said:
Old Sarge said:
My take on this is either that a few "list compilers" view the 7D2 as unworthy, or that Canon's wonderful marketing dept. flubbed big on the release date of the 7D2, or both.
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Sella174 said:
The 7DII first started shipping ~2 weeks before the article Eldar linked was published. If it didn't miss the cutoff date, that would mean the list most likely isn't based on actual experience with the cameras, but on theoretical reviews of specs. If that's the case, the list is even more useless.
Did you just suggest that not releasing the 7DII in time for it to be reviewed for a 'best of' list published in Norway (a country with fewer people than any of the world's 40 most populous cities), and published in Norwegian at that, was a 'big flub' on Canon's part? Please try to get a grip on reality.
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I, personally, feel that the 7D, when introduced, and the 7DII are both marginally "pro" cameras (and I own one of each). And the release date was late enough that I didn't think it had time to be evaluated for this particular article (reason I said: in time to be evaluated). Also, because of my ignorance of Norwegian, I don't know what the criteria were.Don Haines said:7D2?Old Sarge said:I think that the point Neuroanatomist is trying to make is that Canon did not release any "pro" cameras in 2014, they couldn't be on a list limited to "2014 releases." Had Canon released the 5DMkIV in 2014 and not made the list then it might be considered a bad sign. Not reading Norwegian (heck, still working on my native English) I don't know what the categories were but did Canon release any camera's in 2014 in time to be evaluated for this article that fit into any of the categories?Eldar said:No, it is not useless, because it is a reference for people thinking of buying into a camera system. And the advice they are getting does not include Canon. Whether you or I agree with their recommendations, is absolutely irrelevant. Ruling these lists in the past has been one of the main contributors to Canon´s previous success and now they´re gone.neuroanatomist said:Eldar said:
Well, that makes the 'recommendations' completely useless as far as high-end cameras. But thanks for sharing. :
BTW, when I read where you still drag around a wooden canoe and camera equipment I had to think to myself, "He is sure tougher than this old man."
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The interesting thing about the article/list i referred to is the absence of Canon. They have not tested the 7DII and as far as I know they have not tested the D750 and certainly not the NX-1. I suppose all three will be candidates for next year and it may be that 7DII have a significant challenge (I am still waiting for mine by the way) ... But the ones included on the list have actually been tested.
It is also true that we are only 5 million people in Norway. But you may want to check out what the buying power of the average Norwegian is (remove the 2-3% filthy rich in any country and you will not find any higher). You can continue on to check the saturation of cameras in this population and you´ll see interesting numbers. We are also early adopters, so equipment suppliers, like Canon, normally pay a lot of attention to how our market develops, because they are likely to see similar behavior elsewhere a little later.
But the point can be developed further, if you start searching the net for camera of the year, recommended cameras etc. Compared to what it used to be, very few Canon cameras appear on the lists you´ll find.
It is also true that we are only 5 million people in Norway. But you may want to check out what the buying power of the average Norwegian is (remove the 2-3% filthy rich in any country and you will not find any higher). You can continue on to check the saturation of cameras in this population and you´ll see interesting numbers. We are also early adopters, so equipment suppliers, like Canon, normally pay a lot of attention to how our market develops, because they are likely to see similar behavior elsewhere a little later.
But the point can be developed further, if you start searching the net for camera of the year, recommended cameras etc. Compared to what it used to be, very few Canon cameras appear on the lists you´ll find.
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And, since we were into our small country, check out this and start planning for your next vacation
http://www.boredpanda.com/norway-landscape-photography/
http://www.boredpanda.com/norway-landscape-photography/
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The constant negativity regarding Canon cameras and the over-the-top praise heaped on Sony, Samsung and Nikon might indeed have a negative impact on future Canon sales. People looking for recommendations, do get information from sites like this one. And that would be too bad. Because anyone buying a new camera might get the completely mistaken idea that Canon cameras can't produce excellent images. Plus, they will miss out on the information that Canon has a great reputation for reliability and perhaps the best system of lenses and accessories available.
So, to all the naysayers who continue to bash Canon and hope for their demise. Be careful, you might get what you want - a company that drops in popularity, loses money, and can no longer spend money on improvements and innovation. Perhaps they will go under completely by 2020! I know you will all be so happy then! Keep up the good work trying to ruin things for the rest of us!
So, to all the naysayers who continue to bash Canon and hope for their demise. Be careful, you might get what you want - a company that drops in popularity, loses money, and can no longer spend money on improvements and innovation. Perhaps they will go under completely by 2020! I know you will all be so happy then! Keep up the good work trying to ruin things for the rest of us!
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Eldar said:And, since we were into our small country, check out this and start planning for your next vacation
http://www.boredpanda.com/norway-landscape-photography/
I really didn't need another vacation spot to add to my (long) list. Certainly a beautiful place with a variety of areas to visit. Maybe someday if I live long enough.
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Eldar said:And, since we were into our small country, check out this and start planning for your next vacation
http://www.boredpanda.com/norway-landscape-photography/
Wow, what a place ! Thanks for posting the link.
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Marsu42 said:Sporgon said:Wow, what a place ! Thanks for posting the link.Eldar said:And, since we were into our small country, check out this and start planning for your next vacation
http://www.boredpanda.com/norway-landscape-photography/
People having watched or read Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" know the origin of the Norwegian fjords. As the resident expert on "42" I cannot help but post these pictures
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Eldar said:
Keep in mind that most such lists are not created by altruistic, unbiased people/organizations. The vast majority exist to earn revenue from affiliate-linked purchases. The longer a camera has been on the market, the more potential buyers already own one. Therefore, recommending the newest cameras in a given segment is 'enlightened self-interest' from a financial standpoint.
For each major FF 'pairing' from a couple of years ago (1D X/D4, 5DIII/D800, 6D/D600), Nikon has released a recent update, and Nikon added the D750 to the mix. We can speculate on why (except for the D610, which it's pretty evident was released to fix the D600 oil-spot-banned-from-sale-in-China debacle), but regardless the fact is Nikon's FF lineup is 'fresher'. That doesn't mean it's selling better, but it does mean it's more likely to be recommended by those with a bias, namely financial gain from affiliate links.
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