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Because people would've been complaining if it was a $7000 camera?chauncey said:After reading that interview were it was stated that they had difficulty in squeezing everything
into the new 5Ds...what possible rationale was it not made into a larger 1Ds series?
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Reading the response to the second question, obviously size and weight were a priority. The increased bulk that would have come from making it in a 1D form factor would have been a major turn-off for photographers taking them into remote locations.
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by the rational that the 1d series has always been about speed, and that there is no longer a 1ds series which tended to be more about quality.
Sports photojournalists (rather than say amateur twitchers) would not buy a 5fps camera. And you don't need 50mp for newsprint or firefox.
Here's my own facile car analogy of the week.... And no, I don't have the sales data to back it up, I'm just bumping my gums like most folk who use internet forums...
Canon will make far more money selling the top end kit to wealthy hobbyists than they will to professionals. Like F1 car racing... it's product development, it's product placement... 'maybe if I buy a canon 1d people will think I'm a pro photographer rather than an accountant, or regional manager for 7-11, and tbey will think me talented, creative, artisan, windswept and interesting' like Nike shoes never made Michael Jordan jump higher, but ir was important to high school kids and gangsta rappers to have that 'adroit' 'serious' look. I'm not wearing $30 chuck taylor cons... i'm Michael Jordans understudy...
None of which is to say that canon don't carexmassively about making the world best slr system, just that imho, the professional market is less important for sales, but it's a market they want. They want white lenses at televised sports games. They want editoprials from photojournalists in the magazines with EOS 1d in italics below the pictures.
So the 1d needs to be something that the guys at the sharp end will pick up. They won't if it only does 5fps. I say only.
Also the guys who cough, ahem NEED that detail, probably aren't the same guys, pribably aren't u der gunfire, probably aren't behind a goal in the rain at a midweek English premier league football game, wiring their 50mp images back to fleet street 400miles away.
just a thought.
Sports photojournalists (rather than say amateur twitchers) would not buy a 5fps camera. And you don't need 50mp for newsprint or firefox.
Here's my own facile car analogy of the week.... And no, I don't have the sales data to back it up, I'm just bumping my gums like most folk who use internet forums...
Canon will make far more money selling the top end kit to wealthy hobbyists than they will to professionals. Like F1 car racing... it's product development, it's product placement... 'maybe if I buy a canon 1d people will think I'm a pro photographer rather than an accountant, or regional manager for 7-11, and tbey will think me talented, creative, artisan, windswept and interesting' like Nike shoes never made Michael Jordan jump higher, but ir was important to high school kids and gangsta rappers to have that 'adroit' 'serious' look. I'm not wearing $30 chuck taylor cons... i'm Michael Jordans understudy...
None of which is to say that canon don't carexmassively about making the world best slr system, just that imho, the professional market is less important for sales, but it's a market they want. They want white lenses at televised sports games. They want editoprials from photojournalists in the magazines with EOS 1d in italics below the pictures.
So the 1d needs to be something that the guys at the sharp end will pick up. They won't if it only does 5fps. I say only.
Also the guys who cough, ahem NEED that detail, probably aren't the same guys, pribably aren't u der gunfire, probably aren't behind a goal in the rain at a midweek English premier league football game, wiring their 50mp images back to fleet street 400miles away.
just a thought.
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Tinky said:
I think there is a lot of truth in that statement. Professionals buy tools that are good enough, reliable enough, cheap enough, ... enough, to be able to make a profit. Enthusiasts, not being concerned with profitability, can afford the "bestest and latest".
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If it's so impossible then how did they they fit all the required interfaces into the 7D-II body? Also, what is the bet that they will make the headphone jack fit in the 5D-IV?chauncey said:After reading that interview were it was stated that they had difficulty in squeezing everything
into the new 5Ds...what possible rationale was it not made into a larger 1Ds series?
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sagittariansrock said:... people can't title a thread more informatively
It is like people who entitle a new thread "I have a question". Hmmm
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chauncey said:Oh gee whiz, did I offend someone's sensibilities...so very sorry!
Oh, you didn't offend me. I am not that sensitive, so your sarcasm is lost on me
Just curious.
Like those Facebook posts- I think they call it vaguebooking nowadays...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vaguebooking
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StudentOfLight said:
Exactly.
Canon is lying about it not fitting.
Canon is notorious for intentionally crippling cameras so as to segment them, and cause users to buy a higher line camera for what amounts to simple, relatively inexpensive features. This works, because they know and ABUSE the fact that people invest in a system of lenses that aren't easy or cheap to replace. It is quite petty.
No jack means they want to move anyone interested in video into a particular DSLR meant for video. Same reason the video features are unimpressive on the 5DS. For those who want to do video, yet also want a high MP camera - they will have to buy 2 bodies. There will be no having your cake and eating it.
In my opinion, Canon could have created a high MP camera that does great video too. But they'd rather you spend nearly $4,000 for each specialized body or to get a few features that literally costs them nothing. 30fps vs 60fps 1080 video? Really Canon? Seriously? This is the same kind of petty crippling they did on the 6D. One card slot? A single cross AF point? The 6D, a focus and recompose camera only.
To Nikon's credit, they are far more generous with their inclusion of high end features across their camera lines. For whatever reason, Nikon doesn't feel threatened about good AF in a lower line FF camera like the 39 points, nor good video specs either such as 1080 at 60fps. Nor do they fear that providing dual card slots in everything from the D7100 and UP will somehow destroy the sales of their top models. Bravo Nikon.
Shame to Canon.
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K said:
That's a pretty strong statement. You have not provided any proof of this, or even stated where there is room in the existing body to put the jack and electronics.
If you do not believe someone, that's one thing, but to call them a liar you should be able to show that it can be done without changes to the body, which is what was said.
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And as for crippling... this is most touted by video shooters... if you want a full professional camcorder feature set , then buy a full professional camcorder (if you also want that large sensor look and ef lenses its a c100 we are talking about)
if buy crippling you mean not over designing in and charging for features that most users will regard as redundant, then fine.
how crippled would your photo / video work be if canon hadn't started the dslr vido revolution at an increasingly modest entry point.
it's all a conspiracy.
And as for crippling... this is most touted by video shooters... if you want a full professional camcorder feature set , then buy a full professional camcorder (if you also want that large sensor look and ef lenses its a c100 we are talking about)
if buy crippling you mean not over designing in and charging for features that most users will regard as redundant, then fine.
how crippled would your photo / video work be if canon hadn't started the dslr vido revolution at an increasingly modest entry point.
it's all a conspiracy.
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Mt Spokane Photography said:
I don't know all the details, but perhaps they could have fit a bit more in the body. But that would have meant more engineering challenges, manufacturing difficulties, a delay in releasing the camera, or perhaps a smaller buffer.
Hard to tell but I take Canon's statement at face value and put an asterisk behind it.
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chauncey said:After reading that interview were it was stated that they had difficulty in squeezing everything
into the new 5Ds...what possible rationale was it not made into a larger 1Ds series?
Perhaps they think more people will want the more compact body.
By asking, "what possible rationale" your question assumes that every customer would be willing to buy a 1D size body, therefore making Canon's effort to fit everything into a 5D3 body entirely unnecessary.
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Joe M said:
Unfortunately, that makes it easier to predict the buying pattern of professionals but not that of enthusiasts. Professionals will go the extra distance and buy an OEM grip just for the sake of reliability. On the other hand, an enthusiast might buy a knock-off grip but spend thousands on an L lens because it is sexy (not saying everyone would do that- just pointing out that possibility exists).
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Canon have pushed the boat out a bit with recent lenses. There are arguably no longer third party equivalents for the latest L's for example. Even at the other end, the 10-18 is a superlative optic for cropped sensor users for affordable cash.. why go third party.. obviously there are gaps that others plug, but these gaps are decreasing.
If canon relied on purely bona-fida card carrying professional users alone, I doubt they could justify the R&D etc that goes into the top kit. They might hypothetically see it as a loss leader for the reasons stated earlier (brand prestige) but the gilded uncle bobs are doing us all a favour. Economies of scale etc.
If canon relied on purely bona-fida card carrying professional users alone, I doubt they could justify the R&D etc that goes into the top kit. They might hypothetically see it as a loss leader for the reasons stated earlier (brand prestige) but the gilded uncle bobs are doing us all a favour. Economies of scale etc.
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They may have a harder time predicting the variability of the enthusiast market but I have a feeling they spend more time and effort marketing to them in order to get them to spend more than they really need to.sagittariansrock said:
In my case at least, I am Canon's dream customer because everything I use, right down to the batteries, is OEM.
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