Don't understand why

[RGF]

After reading that interview were it was stated that they had difficulty in squeezing everything
into the new 5Ds...what possible rationale was it not made into a larger 1Ds series?

Perhaps they think more people will want the more compact body.

By asking, "what possible rationale" your question assumes that every customer would be willing to buy a 1D size body, therefore making Canon's effort to fit everything into a 5D3 body entirely unnecessary.

I think has certain build standards. The 1D series is much higher, with higher functionality. Th prosumer version, the 5D, has lower though still very high standards.

5D comes in a certain size, the 1D comes in a different size with a grip to make it larger.

Personally I like the 1D size bodies and which canon would make the 5D in that size (with an integrated grip) which mean the battery compartment in the body which is occupied by the insert in the 5D would disappear and their would be much more room for Canon to add functionality.

 

[keithcooper]

What's a headphone socket?

If it was intended to give the hint that the 5Ds wasn't really meant for video, then that's just great from my own POV. I'd have liked a 1 series, but I can see it might have been rather pricey ;-)

It's a tool to help earn my living and video has no part in that whatsoever. If you want a video camera, buy a video camera. It's nice to see a Canon camera marketed on its stills capabilities with hardly a mention of video, just for once...

Video fans, move on, this is not the 5D you are looking for... ;-)

 

[Perio]

If Canon included more features in 5ds/5dsr, it'll be more difficult for them to sell Mkii versions of these cameras in the future.

I think about 5diii. It's so good that lots of people will keep 5diii even once 5div is released.

 

[Tinky]

Re: What's a headphone socket?

If it was intended to give the hint that the 5Ds wasn't really meant for video, then that's just great from my own POV. I'd have liked a 1 series, but I can see it might have been rather pricey ;-)

It's a tool to help earn my living and video has no part in that whatsoever. If you want a video camera, buy a video camera. It's nice to see a Canon camera marketed on its stills capabilities with hardly a mention of video, just for once...

Video fans, move on, this is not the 5D you are looking for... ;-)

Given the horrific effect the aa filter has on video sharpness, I'm not convinced that the 5d3 was either.

 

[zim]

Hard to tell but I take Canon's statement at face value and put an asterisk behind it.

Interview with a Canon video rep from Spain describing product strategy management meetings that Canon held in their camera division regarding video:
http://youtu.be/sJBq0z2Vmu4?t=53s

That was bloody funny ;D ;D ;D

 

[Tinky]

Re: What's a headphone socket?

It's not the AA filter. ML RAW video looks sharp on the 5D3. But both internally recorded or clean HDMI out recorded video looks mushy. So it's either poor demosaic or nasty DNR or silly settings or even a gaussian filter applied to protect higher end stuff.

So canon wasted their time designed a root downconvertable sensor with larger pixels, higher base iso, and an ergonomic, audio specific, nd filtered, sdi capable, xlr capabale, interlaced capable unit in the c100. 300. 500?

All they really had to do was apply a guassian filter. How do you even do that live at 29.97fps? I'm sure wicked canon in their machevellian ways have found a method. Or maybe even canon, who are culpable in the creation of such a chimera, realise that there are better ways to shoot video than on a DSLR.

In terms of user experience... give me a panasonic ag455 from 20 years ago above a DSLR! Hint hint. The primary function of a video camera is video.. The primary function of an SLR is stills.

Primary function. Accept the caveats. But don't allege unfounded corporate conspiracy. It's actually libellous.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Since no one apparently bothered to look, a simple glance at the ports on the camera shows that the USB3 jack is much larger, and leaves no room for a headphone jack. What Canon said was that it would not fit in the existing body, and it looks pretty true to me.

 

[zim]

Can we therefore assume from all this usb position stuff that the first confirmed spec of the 5DIV will be that it will have USB2.0 ?

 

[ERHP]

Since the 5DS/R has USB 3.0, why would they go back in time? Now if the MK IV adopts the USB Type-C connector, there will be plenty of room for the 'world will end without it' headphone jack.

Since no one apparently bothered to look, a simple glance at the ports on the camera shows that the USB3 jack is much larger, and leaves no room for a headphone jack. What Canon said was that it would not fit in the existing body, and it looks pretty true to me.

Canon patented the USB 3.0 plug to be bigger just to take away the room for the jack. Years of planning were involved, government agencies subverted, aliens abducted.... oh wait, lol.

 

[beforeEos Camaras]

Can we therefore assume from all this usb position stuff that the first confirmed spec of the 5DIV will be that it will have USB2.0 ?

lol very funny these are bridge camera's the mk iv they will have ample time to reroute the ports if needed rember these ship late may or June mk iv is sometime after that

 

[Tinky]

maybe because its a stills camera first and foremost they put the processing components best suited for still images in.

maybe they figured folk serious enough to notice the video compromises would be using the right tool for the job.

in any eos advert I've seen (outwith the cinema range) video is one of 20 bullet points. a footnote almost.

 

[Ivan Muller]

Canon will make far more money selling the top end kit to wealthy hobbyists than they will to professionals.

I think there is a lot of truth in that statement. Professionals buy tools that are good enough, reliable enough, cheap enough, ... enough, to be able to make a profit. Enthusiasts, not being concerned with profitability, can afford the "bestest and latest".

Agreed with the above, but......

I make a living from Photography, and although the new 5Ds is rather steep for me, and I probably wont get my money back quickly, I would get it nevertheless..why?

Because its just such a lot of pixels that as a photographer I have to have it, just to see what the image quality is like. I find a lot of photography 'ignorant' clients often ask me how many pixels my camera has...and they usually raise their eyebrows when I mention (just) 20mp, imagine the reaction when I say 50mp's! I know its silly but one has to at least try and have a better camera than the client!

I also have a 44inch printer and frankly my 6d is just not up to the task with more detailed images like distant landscapes and industrial/architecture. Jaggies are quite visible. Clients like it a lot when I drop off a 'free' print of the shoot, and the bigger the better and extra pixels can only help...

For my personal stuff which is mostly documentary architecture I could see the extra detail will be great especially on large prints!

Its a lot cheaper than med format digital. Sure it wont have the same image quality but it will be a lot more than is currently available in 35mm, specially from Canon..I also just don't like having too many different systems...so if it can all be Canon, great.

50mp is not just for printing very large but also for making smaller prints look better...there was a reason many 'old' 8x10 negs were only contact printed...

The fact that it has dumbed down video and no dual pixel af is ok by me...its that sensor that I want.

The price seems reasonable for the pixels. One reason I wasn't keen to get the 5D3 is that I could get the same pixels in the 6D for a lot less...

I also like the fact that they have made an effort with the mirror. My Mamiya digital med format shutter slap is alarmingly loud and definitely affects my image quality on longer lenses at slower shutter speeds.

So, I am very excited about the new nifty fifty...and I look forward to pairing that with one of the smallest and cheapest lenses available...the 40mm pancake. But also with my 24TS..should make a fantastic architecture/interior/industrial combination.

The only thing I will miss terribly is GPS and wifi....but I can see using a camera like that for at least 4years. Thats how long I had my 5d2. 6D is now about 14months old and I just love it..only thing I wish it had was a few more pixels.