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DRones vs. anti-DRones: how to resolve the controversy
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dstppy said:
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he's lost in a sea of Canon shadow noise or, momentarily, found something else to hate and complain about incessantly instead of purchasing a better product for his needs ;D
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LarryC said:
Well, I can already say my d800s are good enough that I can easily sit out a generation or three of body updates. They provide adequate performance for how I want to use them.
If the rumored organic sensor comes out from the Panasonic-Fuji collaboration that will be interesting.
And I'm looking forward to trying the 7d2 and it's funky new AF system. Speaking of which, the DP AF should be a feature on the hi-rez metering sensor as well, that could REALLY help with the AF performance.
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racebit said:
I maintain that the real DRones actually are anti-Canon. As soon as the feature they're currently complaining about is fixed, they'll find something else. They hide their anti-Canon motivations with the odd logical statement, but you can be sure the complaining will never cease.
Right now it's easy for everyone to jump on the same bandwagon, so it's hard to tell the difference between the "squeaky wheel" Canon fanboy and the DRone. Once the wheel gets some oil you'll be able to pick out the DRones easily enough.
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LarryC said:
DRTV did a funny video "[Stuff] Canon and Nikon fanboys say" that addressed this. It was pretty funny.
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LarryC said:Maximilian said:Only two possibilities:pierlux said:
1. Canon designs or buys a sensor equal or better than exmor.
2. Canon to file for bankruptcy and will stop designing sensors and selling cameras.
I vote for "1."
PS.: And even if "1." would happen soon, the sensor wouldn't be good enough to them... I suppose.
+1. It's interested that everything that Nikon beats Canon at is unimportant to good photography but everything that Canon beats Nikon at is critical. It's assured that as soon as Canon surpasses Nikon/Sony in DR, MP DXOmark scores and resolution (any they will at some point) those will become important features. Unless you shoot Nikon, at which point Nikon shooters will argue that 36MP is more than enough and existing DR is plenty, and DXOmark favor Canon.
I've lost count now of how many posts I've read where one side says this about the other. Can't people (on both sides) see how ridiculous this sounds?
I'm with the original poster and to be honest I think the winners of his football game should then proceed to a real Roman-style gladiatorial contest. Then shoot the winner.
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I do not thing it will be easy to resolve. There are a few issues that will keep this alive until Canon beats all other sensors or joins them. I do not think that Canon will go out of business. They will swallow their pride and put a Sony Sensor in a DSLR before Canon will go bankrupt.
I wish that DR did not bleed into other discussion and ruin them. The 7D II discussions for example.
I am pragmatically in the more DR camp. The real issue is the read noise. DR was not something I ever noticed until I bought my Nex6 but the read noise is much more noticeable.
I cannot use my Sony for what I do with my Canon cameras. I cannot use my 6D or 60D for what I do with my Nex6. I am not going to drop all my Canon gear and buy a Nikon the ergonomics are a crime against humanity.
Lets face it a Sony Camera + Meta-bones adapters really means who needs auto focus. Because it is so slow you will be manual focusing most of the time. That is what I like about the Nex6 it forces my to slow down and compose my shot. But that is not for everyone.
- Human Nature people hate admitting their wrong.
- Pig headed stubbornness of people that cannot see another point of view.
- The people that are never satisfied no matter how good their gear is.
- Trolls Trolls TROLLS will you stop feeding the TROLLS ALREADY.
I wish that DR did not bleed into other discussion and ruin them. The 7D II discussions for example.
I am pragmatically in the more DR camp. The real issue is the read noise. DR was not something I ever noticed until I bought my Nex6 but the read noise is much more noticeable.
I cannot use my Sony for what I do with my Canon cameras. I cannot use my 6D or 60D for what I do with my Nex6. I am not going to drop all my Canon gear and buy a Nikon the ergonomics are a crime against humanity.
Lets face it a Sony Camera + Meta-bones adapters really means who needs auto focus. Because it is so slow you will be manual focusing most of the time. That is what I like about the Nex6 it forces my to slow down and compose my shot. But that is not for everyone.
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tcmatthews said:
In this case, imho it's rather easy to tell trolls apart from people really struggling with the sensor:
There's a fix for low dr at low iso available, it's called Magic Lantern, it gives you 14.5ev+, installation only takes a couple of minutes and it's free. Unless someone has tried ML and evaluated if this software fix works for him/her, crying that one's pictures are crappy because of low dr is trolling.
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neuroanatomist said:
Indeed, but I didn't want to add "except 1d owners" because that would have sounded like a cheap & envious comment. But except for the latest 70d, m2 (and of course 7d2), Magic Lantern is available for all non-1d models starting with the digic4 50d. For 1d, Canon made it known they don't want to ml ported or they'll take action.
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RLPhoto
Gear doesn't matter, Just a Matter of Convenience.
I'd say for every 2 out of three drones, the photos they actually produce are garbage. Now I'm speaking about the drones that come here to complain so fiercely that when we actually scrutinize the photos the produce, they fall flat on their face.
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Aglet said:
Why the word "rumored"? They put out a press release with sample images using it. http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n130611.html
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Canon does not seem to have a dynamic range problem, from what I can tell.
The problem appears to be, instead, a small group of people who hold strong opinions and won't shut up. They can remain safely hidden behind an anonymous identity and can never be held feet to the fire in the real world for their frothing at the mouth.
Which, to your point, always comes down to the Tools of the Trade for some people will never "good enough."
It's said that the third time's a charm. So here goes my last and final offer:
DRones, here's your opportunity to show me what your deep knowledge and carefully developed thoughts are worth. I bring super-large prints to a pub near me. The prints will include work from Sony's latest "wonder sensors" as well as from Canon's 6 year old sensor tech. You look real carefully at the prints and tell me which camera made which image. For every guess you get correct, I buy you a beer. For every guess you get wrong, you buy me a beer. Deal?
The problem appears to be, instead, a small group of people who hold strong opinions and won't shut up. They can remain safely hidden behind an anonymous identity and can never be held feet to the fire in the real world for their frothing at the mouth.
Which, to your point, always comes down to the Tools of the Trade for some people will never "good enough."
It's said that the third time's a charm. So here goes my last and final offer:
DRones, here's your opportunity to show me what your deep knowledge and carefully developed thoughts are worth. I bring super-large prints to a pub near me. The prints will include work from Sony's latest "wonder sensors" as well as from Canon's 6 year old sensor tech. You look real carefully at the prints and tell me which camera made which image. For every guess you get correct, I buy you a beer. For every guess you get wrong, you buy me a beer. Deal?
9VIII said:
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LOL!
I was searching for a way to say exactly this, but the words failed me.
Well said. Very well said, indeed.
I was searching for a way to say exactly this, but the words failed me.
Well said. Very well said, indeed.
RLPhoto said:
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Then they should simply buy the product that they want and be done with it. What these people are really saying is that DR and resolution aren't the most important things that they need (or just WANT) otherwise they would made a switch.heptagon said:
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In the DR-wars I am a neutral observer.
And just for the record - both sides of the argument is equally intolerable. The fact that "DRone" has become a widespread term, really underline that.
If you disagree with someone, you can just call them a "DRone" and label them as talentless geeks who shoot lens caps all day.
It won't be resolved. This is the internet after all, where pigheaded people can argue all day, and forget everything about a civil discussion.
And just for the record - both sides of the argument is equally intolerable. The fact that "DRone" has become a widespread term, really underline that.
If you disagree with someone, you can just call them a "DRone" and label them as talentless geeks who shoot lens caps all day.
It won't be resolved. This is the internet after all, where pigheaded people can argue all day, and forget everything about a civil discussion.
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RLPhoto said:
Careful. I get flamed every time I make a similar observation. According to some of the most vocal DR "advocates," most people seeking more DR do indeed produce stunning images.......it's just that they keep those images top secret, and no one is allowed to see them.
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