Dynamic range Nikon/Sony vs Canon

[9VIII]

If you compare the 6D with the D800 on Sensorgen, at ISO 800 the DR is basically the same, and above that the D800 basically has one stop less DR. The 5D3 is more on the same level as the D800.
Comparing the D4 with the 1Dx the D4 keeps its advantage longer, but things are even by ISO3200.
After looking at these comparisons it's clear that Canon isn't actually dropping the ball on sensor tech, more specifically I think they're doing an excellent job of designing sensors for the way they see people using their cameras.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Where is Terje the one post wonder? ... I'm betting that Terje is "he who must not be named" of this forum ;D

If I did take that bet, the only question left would be, "How much do I owe you?"

;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ... but its amazing that people like Terje specifically target a member with their very first post ... I mean do people like Treje think we are that dumb that we don't even know that "------" is same as " -----"?

 

[captainkanji]

That Sony DR won't do me any good since I like to take photos in the dark. Superior selection of lenses (that I can afford) and great ergonomics are more reasons I recommend Canon. I think they have a superior system.

 

[tron]

Where is Terje the one post wonder? ... I'm betting that Terje is "he who must not be named" of this forum ;D

If I did take that bet, the only question left would be, "How much do I owe you?"

;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ... but its amazing that people like Terje specifically target a member with their very first post ... I mean do people like Treje think we are that dumb that we don't even know that "------" is same as " -----"?

Still they get to live in a very nice - albeit cold - country... ;D

 

[Lichtgestalt]

that´s maybe a stupid question... but then my mother always said there are no stupid questions only stupid answers.

DxO is testing lenses on different camera bodys.
so i guess it´s impossible to get a 25 MP sharpness result form a 22MP camera.

wouldn´t it be better to test all lenses on a, lets say 180MP medium format sensor?
if a MF sensor makes no sense... maybe a special build sensor that´s the size of a 35mm sensor but with extremly high resolution.

i only mentioned MF because of the high MP number.. but on second thought, is the spatial resolution of the IQ180 MF sensors higher as on nikons 36 MP FF sensor? have not checked that.

DxO doesn´t test the AF.
so why not using an adapter and attach the lens to a sensor that offers an equal starting point for all lenses?

that would be a real lens test then... not?
it would keep the different cameras out of the equation.

i know that different mounts have different flange distances.
but i mean... DxO is a big testing labor, it´s sure not impossible for them to build such a testing rig?

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Nikon > Canon for DR.

Now consider that 600LII will last several camera bodies. Will Nikon still be leading two or three generations down?

Good one

 

[aj1575]

Hi.

As most of you are aware of Nikon and Sony (I know that Sony manufacture sensors for Nikon) sensors are better when it comes to DR and so on compared to Canon. I have read DXO-tests and many others that verify that. But there seems to be a point at a ISO-value where the difference is not that big. Of course there is an advantage in mp also for the 36mp bodies but the resolution is not what I am thinking of now.

This should bring you to the comparison site of the two lenses and cameras.
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/394/(lens2)/1175/(brand1)/Canon/(camera1)/795/(brand2)/Nikkor/(camera2)/792
The Nikon does not seem to produce better images than the Canon despite the higher pixel count. The advantage in DR is also gone at ISO 1600 (at 800 there remains a little advantage). But because of the lower pixel count the EOS 5D has the advantage in FPS (6:4; this means in the same time you get 3 pictures from the EOS 5D, you will only get 2 from the D800).

But I think you would be able to make great pictures with both cameras.

 

[eml58]

Poor Terje, waited years everyday checking CR, wanting to jump in and make a comment that would stun & amaze, then the opportunity presented and he choked at the start, real bummer, and embarrassing, for Terke, sorry, terje.

I notice it was Terje's first ever comment, sort of like it was Morlin's first ever comment, I wonder ?????

I mean, it couldn't be, surely, Morlin is Terje incognito ??, like we used to have "you know who" incognito as the "temple guy", they all seem to have two things in common, Love Nikon DR, Hate everything that has Canon written on it, and aren't keen on Nuero either, Ok, that's 3 things in common.

 

[Rienzphotoz]

Poor Terje, waited years everyday checking CR, wanting to jump in and make a comment that would stun & amaze, then the opportunity presented and he choked at the start, real bummer, and embarrassing, for Terke, sorry, terje.

+1
But it is the fault of neuroanatomist, he has too many posts ;D

 

[J.R.]

I notice it was Terje's first ever comment, sort of like it was Morlin's first ever comment, I wonder ?????

I mean, it couldn't be, surely, Morlin is Terje incognito ??, like we used to have "you know who" incognito as the "temple guy", they all seem to have two things in common, Love Nikon DR, Hate everything that has Canon written on it, and aren't keen on Nuero either, Ok, that's 3 things in common.

It can't be temple guy ... We didn't get to see those horribly under-exposed vomiting inducing images.

But just look at it ... The guy did end up being a legend, though not necessarily the way he wanted to. He was unceremoniously booted out of CR and here we are months later, still talking about him.

 

[dlleno]

Poor Terje, waited years everyday checking CR, wanting to jump in and make a comment that would stun & amaze, then the opportunity presented and he choked at the start, real bummer, and embarrassing, for Terke, sorry, terje.

I notice it was Terje's first ever comment, sort of like it was Morlin's first ever comment, I wonder ?????

I mean, it couldn't be, surely, Morlin is Terje incognito ??, like we used to have "you know who" incognito as the "temple guy", they all seem to have two things in common, Love Nikon DR, Hate everything that has Canon written on it, and aren't keen on Nuero either, Ok, that's 3 things in common.

... aren't we up to five CR personas now?

 

[preppyak]

wouldn´t it be better to test all lenses on a, lets say 180MP medium format sensor?

But what would the outcome of that test really be? Why do I need to know that my Canon lens resolves better than a Nikon equivalent at 180mp? Is there a 180mp on the market, or even the possibility of one?

I get what you are going for, but, the result would be so far divorced from reality that it wouldn't really be useful. I mean, even DXO's sensor tests are a little out there, because they are just testing the sensor, not the electronics that deliver the actual image. But at least it's mostly grounded in reality; it's a sensor that exists. And when they test lens/camera combos, they are things I could use in the real world.

Would knowing that the Nikon can resolve a tiny bit better on your 180mp sensor make me change from Canon to Nikon? No, because today, on the cameras they both have, there is no noticeable difference. And I'm taking pictures today. The results would basically just be fodder for useless flame wars.

 

[Loswr]

And when they test lens/camera combos, they are things I could use in the real world.

But...now we have the Sony a7 and a7R, FF sensors in bodies which can use (in theory) both Canon and Nikon lenses. Will DxO test those lenses on those bodies?

DxO has not tested Nikon's 14-24/2.8 on Canon bodies. Some people use the Nikon 14-24 on Canon bodies, it's wider and generally accepted to be sharper than Canon's 16-35/2.8 II. If/when Canon comes out with a 14-24 or updated 16-35, it could be useful to know which is the sharper lens, independent of camera.

Just a couple of examples of how sensor-independent lens tests could be useful in the real world.

 

[Lichtgestalt]

wouldn´t it be better to test all lenses on a, lets say 180MP medium format sensor?

But what would the outcome of that test really be? Why do I need to know that my Canon lens resolves better than a Nikon equivalent at 180mp? Is there a 180mp on the market, or even the possibility of one?

at least it would show the performance of the LENS not the combination lens + camera.
the way it is they have to redo the test each time a manufacturer releases a camera with more MP.

and maybe we could see how good the lens design is. if it can reach it´s possible maximium.
i never really cared about nyquist. maybe i have too look into that.

 

[David Hull]

Besides, he's taken his fight to DPR: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52443217

 

[Sporgon]

Besides, he's taken his fight to DPR: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52443217

;D ;D

Well spotted, that is hilarious.

But what is even more funny is that if you read the replies on his thread he got no sympathy at all from the dpreview crowd ! ;D

 

[Diko]

... Also, as pointed out, the DXO mark tests show you achieve better resolution with the Canon despite the smaller Nr of pixels, because each system is a composite of sensor resolution and lens resolution. So the Canon lens is better.
If you need higher pixel density, you can always hook up your 600mm lens to a 70D body

Hmm Interesting... lens resolution... What about: Otus 1.4/55?

I wonder what glass do THEY put instead of fluorite... They claim that is more expensive than GOLD...

 

[serendipidy]

Still they get to live in a very nice - albeit cold - country... ;D

Hey, come on, it´s not that cold. We used to have 9 months of winter and 3 months of poor sledge conditions, but because of global warming the ratio moved to 7:5

By the way, Terje is a Norwegian name and I believe Voldemort was Swedish (?) and you should be aware that a Swede impersonating a Norwegian (and vice versa), is a crime beyond treason! Like we say; You can always tell a Swede ... but you can´t tell him much!

Now it is time for another single malt. A 30 year old Isle of Jura should do. Have a great weekend!

;D ;D ;D ;D 8)

 

[dlleno]

Besides, he's taken his fight to DPR: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52443217

;D ;D

Well spotted, that is hilarious.

But what is even more funny is that if you read the replies on his thread he got no sympathy at all from the dpreview crowd ! ;D

well some trolls do it for fun.... but that guy seem to have a serious mental problem.

He was an astonishing example of the difference betweeen knowledge and wisdom.

 

[David Hull]

Besides, he's taken his fight to DPR: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52443217

;D ;D

Well spotted, that is hilarious.

But what is even more funny is that if you read the replies on his thread he got no sympathy at all from the dpreview crowd ! ;D

He is pretty well known over there as well.