Emergency wedding, of sorts.

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Well, I'm sure the OP's head is spinning by now. If he's still with us, I'm not going to attempt to add more advice on top of all the stellar if not somewhat conflicting advice that's already been offered. Of course, then I still end up writing way more than I intended below. Well, anyway, read on if you like...

A situation just like this is what got me back into serious amateur photography. Good friend, casual home wedding and just a borrowed 30D, one zoom lens, flash on a bracket and my own Digital Rebel. Me and my wife took a bunch of pictures and I was hooked again. (That was almost 4 years ago and I'm not sure I want to look at those pictures now. Guess I should though just to see how I did compared to my current knowledge level since then.)

My point is that all the advice so far falls into two camps, run away or do your best along with details to support both. Only you can decide what is best based on your relationship with your friends and your comfort/courage/knowledge level. Sounds like you made a wise decision.

My vote would be to go for it as you outlined and learn from it, enjoy it and see what you can do. I also own a 6D and from what you listed, you have a great collection of gear for your needs. If you don't want to buy a big flash, don't. However, you might consider a small SunPak RD2000 tilted up with a StoFen diffuser to use as fill. Turn it off or on depending on what you think at the time. Let ETTL do its magic and use the Flash Compensation setting to dial it down. (I set Flash Compensation as the SET Button function for easy access on the 6D.) Maybe set the Flash Function in Av Mode to Auto so the ambient light will balance with the flash more evenly (but with a much slower shutter speed). Keep it simple. Don't take every lens. Put the 17-40 or 28-75 on your camera and get all the pictures you can. Move around a lot. Encourage people to get together, smile and wish the couple the best. Shoot what's comfortable. Push your limits but don't get a migraine doing it. You can fix a lot with Lightroom. Use available light if you are comfortable with that.

Bottom Line, don't try to be a "Pro Wedding Photographer" because you aren't. Neither am I. But you can perhaps be an amateur journalistic photographer with some practice and prep. Be that. Before the wedding, try to surf the web and look at all the images you can of wedding receptions, party events, etc. Get posing ideas. Get composition ideas. Practice in the days leading up to the big day to help put yourself at ease. My advice is to take what you can from BOTH camps of advice in this forum thread. Just be you and prepare however you think works for you. There's a ton of advice here, use what you can and let us know how it goes, maybe even post a few pics!

Good Luck and May The Force be with you!! ;)
 
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I'm kind of in your shoes but 10 weddings down the line and my next one is on saturday.

The best advice I can give you is to stay focussed on the task at hand. Get all your timings written down and know exactly where you want to be and why.

Get a bunch of books, pick out all your favourite shots and make a moodboard for each scenario that you're going to be in. break it down into mini shoots and know exactly what you want from each shoot.

the hardest part is the groups. get the bride and groom to write down the groups they want. you will have to think about organising lots of people that are generally bored of waiting around, keeping them entertained as well as the creative side of things.

I used to use a 7D with a 17-85mm and a 60D with a 28mm. a second body goes a long way. I'm shitting it a little as I've just got hold of a 5Diii & 5Dii and getting used to the full frame game. 24-105mm on the 5Diii for the high iso and a 50mm 1.4 on the 5Dii I'm guessing at. I'm going to take all my lenses though just in case.

as for flash... I'm very much expose for the ambient and use the flash for the "pop". you can get creative with this out doors if you get to a point where you're confident with balancing the 2. that's all it is. balance. ettl is your friend for the most part but get an ettl chord and don't be afraid to hold it at arms length with some pluses or minuses to get your ratios correct.

The day will absolutely fly by. it's crazy how fast they go when you're shooting compared to being a kid and totally bored out of your brains all day.

like the dude above says, practice practice practice. you've got a few days. practice balancing flash and ambient and getting the flash off the camera.

have fun :)
 
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Well, I've done a couple of wedding shoots as an unpaid amateur and so far I am still friends with all the couples. so it can be done, but never the less it WILL be stressful.

I've written a small journal about doing wedding photography as a non-pro:
http://christophmaier.deviantart.com/journal/Wedding-Photography-243847778
(If you are a deviantArt member comments are highly welcome) For all those not being part of deviantArt here is the journal:


1) Expectations of the couple:
Does the couple want professional pictures without paying the price? There is a reason why pro wedding photographers are expensive. You don't get any do-overs, no 'smile-agains' and certainly no 'lets-say-our-vows-agains'. If you miss a special event it's gone, period. Being a non-pro will most likely mean you'll miss on some things, or wont be able to capture some perfectly, that's why you do it for free (or at least much less than any pro would). If they know this and you feel that they truly understand this you are good to proceed. Now a lot of folks will tell you differently, but I have done 6 weddings now and all of them were satisfied with my work even though it was far from professional. They all knew what they were getting into when choosing me and I believed them when they said so. (Note, there are some weddings that I would not do because I know those folks just have different standards) Also, make sure you get a list from them of all the must-have events and people. Carry that list with you and cross things off as you go.
2) Equipment:
Make sure you have plenty of backup. Two bodies are an absolute must. You do not want to show up on a wedding and have your gear fail halfway through the show. Plus it's always good to have two bodies with different lenses available. The less you change lenses the more pictures you'll be able to take. (And the less danger of breaking something while juggling two lenses and a body without any place to put anything down) also, multiple memory cards are a must and it goes without saying that each body should have at least one spare battery. (And all of them should be charged the night before) You should also have at least one flash with plenty of batteries as well. I would also recommend to have a tripod ready and to make use of a second flash. Depending on the location and shooting you want to do you might want to consider a spare set of clothes as well. Sometimes you'll have to work in a field, kneel or lay down in order to get a good shot. Always good to have something else to change into then.
3) Location:
Check it out beforehand. Where is it exactly, where can you park your car and how far do you have to carry around your gear. Will there be lot's of indoor or more outdoor shooting. Where would be a good place for a group shot (make sure you know how many guests are expected) Where are some good spots for family photos (bride and groom plus parents, plus brides maids, only parents, only brides maids, etc) And where are some good locations to have some special photos taken of just the couple. (Made a lovely shot with a couple walking away from me through a wine-field and then running towards me for example) If possible try to find at least some time where you and the couple is alone. (Either before the ceremony or maybe between the ceremony and the reception)
4) Guest list:
Get a guest list beforehand and make sure you know who are the important people besides the couple. (Family, extended family, special guests) Try to get at least one shot of every guest. (See 'Guest book' for some advice on that) Have a long lens to make 'sneaky' pictures of people. The best portraits on events like that are done when people do not see you taking the picture.
5) Special Events:
Contact the best man and maid of honor to see if and what special events are planned. (Fireworks, surprise band, letting go balloons, etc) The couple will not necessarily know all the events that will need to be photographed and you might need to do some special preparations as well.
6) Guest book:
This is something I've done a couple of times and that has been very well received. It also helps immensely with keeping track of who has already been photographed as well. Get a small picture printer (Canon Selphy is my choice) and set it up somewhere on the main location. Get an empty picture frame and photograph everybody while they hold the frame. (Do try to do small groups like couples, work colleagues, families etc) Print out the photo and hand it to them together with the guest book. Idea is that they stick the photo into the book and write their wishes to the couple. Have the guest list ready and make sure people mark it when they've done it. Be aware though that you can't do this alone! You'll be busy photographing everything else, but since those pics don't need to be of the best quality it can be handed down to someone else. A good bet would be some close friends of the couple or maybe some relatives. (Cousins are a good choice as well) Do make sure that they know how to use a camera though. (Ask around in advance, but there's a good bet you'll find plenty of people glad to help and there's no need that only one person does it) This is a wonderful present to give the couple right after the wedding to take to the honeymoon.
7) Work:
Don't take the job lightly. Photographing a wedding is a lot of work. Not only is it stressful but it's also physically demanding. You will carry around a lot of gear throughout the day and you will do a lot or running around as well. Once I did a shoot outside for several hours in 38°C (100.4 ºF) Since I had to take pictures of all the folks standing in the shade I ended up standing in the sun a lot. (Luckily I had a hotel room there so I was able to change and shower during the day) So be prepared for that. Also make sure you get some food before everything start because chances are that you will not have a lot of time to eat during the event. And last but not least there will be the post-processing. Simply sifting through your images to see what is good and what is bad might take a while and then editing whatever picture you want to use will take an even longer time. Make sure you either have some free days right after the event or prepare the couple that they might need to wait a while until they see the final product. (Once I shot a wedding in both RAW and JPG and transferred all JPGs to the grooms laptop after the wedding to give them an idea of what to expect once I was done) If you regularly do a lot of pictures you might also look into something like Adobe Lightroom (or Aperture if you are a Mac user). It will let you mass edit and process photos very easily. I don't personally use it, but then I don't shoot weddings that often. It can be a real time saver though!
8) Church wedding
Should there be a religious ceremony involved make sure you know how much is allowed inside the church or wherever it is being performed. In one of my wedding shoots the priest forbid all photography during the actual ceremony. (The couple wasn't too happy about it but his house, his rules.) Also, not all couples want pictures of this moment because it can be distracting. (In order to get a good view you would have to either set up a remote camera or run around in plain view. Often also in areas that are 'off-limits' to regular folks) Talk to them about this a couple of days before the wedding so that they also have time to ask the priest what is acceptable and what is not. If you are allowed to take pictures but cannot use a flash make sure you have some fast glass available. Canon's 50mm 1.8 is a cheap but good lens to do that. Everything else will cost you a lot of money, so consider renting equipment for shoots like this. Canon's 50mm 1.4 or Sigma's 85mm 1.4 would come to mind. Else there's an amazing 50mm 1.2 from Canon, but be sure to rent them beforehand so you can actually work with them first. Shooting with such wide apertures will result in a very slim depth-of-field and it's not as easy to use! (Especially when all you normally use is an aperture of 2.8 or smaller)
9) Be the photographer
Should you be the main photographer you should have the couple announce this and set some ground rules. A lot of folks tend to be there doing photos themselves but everybody should know that you come first when it comes to the important shots. Also helps for group shots when everybody knows who to look at and who to listen to. (Had that problem recently where I was nearly drowned in other 'photographers' and everybody was looking at a different camera) The couple might also want to limit some events to be photographed just by you and ask everybody else to refrain from taking pictures. (Especially during any ceremonies things can get very distracting and noisy if a lot of people try to get some pictures) Also, especially when doing group shots do not be afraid to yell. Lot's of people make lot's of noise and the bigger the group the farther away you'll end up as well. Tell the people what you want. If some huge wrestler stands in front of the brides maids it's not going to be a good picture. Tell him to get behind the people where he can still be seen. Speaking of being seen, tell the people the simple rule, they can't see you? Then they wont be in the picture! (Amazing how many people appear to not grasp that concept)
10) Don't take one, take two!
... or more pictures. Things mess up, people look stupid and lighting might not be the best. Last wedding I did a lot of shooting with my flash, but I tried to do two shots of each photograph in quick succession so that the second shot was without the flash. (Sometimes had to do three for that) Some photos look better with flash, some without and I for once can never tell in advance what it will be. If I do portraits I very often do two shots in quick succession as well, a small change of expression sometimes makes all the difference between an average and wonderful shot. Does certainly add a whole lot of work to it though. (See point 7 ;) ) And do check your work often, you don't want to realize the day after that you had a bad setting on your camera. (Once did a whole shoot with ISO 1600 without noticing, thankfully it was just some outdoor work I did for myself, pretty much threw all of those out...)
11) Contract and model release form
Now, while this is mostly geared towards the non-pro who does it for free this should still be mentioned. A contract is never a bad thing, and as soon as money starts changing hands it's an absolute must. As the laws differ from country to country (and then even from state to state) I wont go into detail here, but only state a few points. See if there is a photography club somewhere in your are and ask them for advice on contracts. What is needed by law, what should and should not be included. Either way be sure to have a very clear description of what is expected of you. Things like pre-wedding shoots, engagement shoots, additional portraits, etc should all be written into the contract if you are expected to do them. It should also be clear if you provide full-res digital pictures or if you will provide the prints for a fee. (Something that is very often done by wedding photographers) Also the question how much editing is expected from you and if there are any must-have moments that need to be photographed in order to be paid. (And I would certainly rule out any penalty payments should something not work out) If you wish to publish the photographs you did during the wedding be sure to also get a model release form from the couple. Again, laws differ extremely so be sure to ask someone who knows the rules and regulations when it comes to release forms. In Germany for example it would not be enough to simply get the couples agreement but you would absolutely need a model release form from everybody who's picture will be published. (Minus group shots, but the definition is somewhat unclear in Germany) As a rule of thumb I simply do not publish photographs from weddings.
12) Assist in a wedding shoot (Okay, obviously not happening in this case)
Now again, as a non-pro who plans to do only a single shoot this might not be suitable. But if you plan on doing this as a pro you should absolutely try and find a pro wedding photographer who will let you tag along on a few weddings. This will certainly be the best preparation possible and depending on the deal you make with the photographer might even make you some cash.


I hope that helps. Be very, very sure about the expectations from the couple however! There are some friends of mine where I would never be the photographer because I know they would expect the full pro package. (And I know I am nowhere near good enough for that) But if their expectations match up with your skill I see no reason not to do it. (Other than the fact that it will be a lot of work and you'll pretty much miss the wedding even though you are there all the time)
 
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ktabes said:
So, long story short, a friend of mine is moving his wedding to a week from now (it was suppose to be 6 months away). And he knows that I do some photography as a hobby and said he'd want me to photograph it.

I am in no way a professional photographer.

my gear: Just upgraded to the 6d, canon 17-40, Tamron 28-75 2.8, 40mm 2.8, 50mm 1.8, and a nifty lowelpro bag, so i don't mind carrying all my lenses. I also have a rode mic and a led light that I use for video sometimes, but i didn't plan on any video. So I don't exactly have professional gear. I mostly just do some landscapes, or some walkaround stuff when I travel. I'm a casual photographer, as I like to put it.

He says relax, have fun, take some candid photos. But I don't want to disappoint. Should I spring for an 85mm? or a speelight? I don't know when else I would use it, so I don't want to buy it for one day. Should I rent one? Anything else i should keep in mind? Or specific photos I should remember to get? Not sure how I should approach this.

Thanks!
Anything helps!

Definately get an 85 the canon f1.8 is a great price, in your situation i would shoot mostly the 40mm the 84mm and the 17-40 for those wider shots (the old tamron wont come close to the IQ from the shorty forty at f2.8)

also definately get a flash even a cheap yongnuo one, make sure whatever you get has ETTL and preferably High speed sync,
get a cheap umbrella and stand and even a cheap radio trigger for some off camera flash for the posed shots
i've used the cheap ebay triggers and they are ok, you get a few miss fires but they work well enough and with the posed shots if the flash miss fires its not a big deal, for the run and gun stuff you will have the flash on camera anyway

good luck!
 
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For future amateurs who are asked to shoot a wedding for a friend and to just have fun, you only need to rent one thing...

a professional photographer!

Some people have given some great advice, but advice is not experience. Be a second shooter before you decide to accept the job of being the only shooter. If you are lucky then you might get away with shooting your first wedding by yourself but most people will not be that lucky and more crappy $150 wedding albums will be created.
 
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LewisShermer said:
Was this wedding today????? how did it go????!!!?!?!?!?!!!!???!!!!!!!one111!!!!

No, it was now moved to the first weekend in march. But the reason why it was moved up was because a close family member is terminally ill, but now things have gotten pretty complicated with the whole family, and I don't know whats going on.

I've kinda been afraid to tell him I don't want to be the main photographer at the wedding, because the photographer is the last thing on their mind.
 
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Studio1930 said:
For future amateurs who are asked to shoot a wedding for a friend and to just have fun, you only need to rent one thing...

a professional photographer!

Some people have given some great advice, but advice is not experience. Be a second shooter before you decide to accept the job of being the only shooter. If you are lucky then you might get away with shooting your first wedding by yourself but most people will not be that lucky and more crappy $150 wedding albums will be created.

Yep. You are not paying a accredited professional photographer for the actual event. You are paying for the training and experience which a lot of people who are not into photography just don't understand.

I have read threads where potential customers have stated a photographer should only get paid $200 for a wedding because all they do is press a button all day. Right ;D
 
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Given that the wedding has been pushed back a few weeks, and you have a little more time- have you gotten any new gear? I know there was some mixed advice on the thread... but given that you have some more time to learn it, I think if you were considering new gear anyway*, now that you have time to play with and learn how to use it, go for it!! For what it's worth, if you don't have a flash, and you now have time to learn how to bounce flash and all of those goodies, canon has refurb 430ex IIs for $239. I bought one a few weeks ago and it's been very worthwhile! (link: http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10051_10051_204273_-1 )


*There's also the fundamental "are you buying gear just for this wedding, or is it something you'd want to add to your kit anyway", so make sure you're being honest with yourself about that. I almost bought a 135 f/2 just to get pictures of my sister's indoor track state meet, then realized that was a bit crazy and I should wait till I have a more continuous need for an awesome portraiture lens...
 
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if the friend is going to be unhappy with the results after asking this HUGE favor of you then i would say it is not that good of a friend. so long as you have thoroughly advised him of your capabilities and offered no guarantees.

if friends stopped asking friends to shoot their weddings i don't think that would curb the enormous amount of bad wedding photographers out there. there are just too many of them....
 
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I think there are a lot of poor and somewhat fair photographers out there working as "professional photographers" because they have a website and price list. The number of skilled, experienced and talented photographers out there is a much smaller percentage. Notice I didn't include the word professional the second time. IMHO, the word professional only indicates the fact that the photographer charges for their services and hopefully can pull off the job to the clients' satisfaction. The word professional in no way vouches for the quality of the work. Today's great (or not so great) professional is merely yesterday's up and coming amateur. Everyone has to start somewhere.

It's all about the individual. For example, there are many "photo moms" out there that are "professionals" because they do photography as a part time side business and it helps pay for their gear. This is how a lot of professionals start out. It's only after a lot of time and work has been performed that the photographer gets better in all aspects, be it working with subjects, scheduling, billing, delivery of images, whatever. Like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get. And you only improve at what you do. If one never ventures outside their comfort zone, they don't grow much, they just improve in that niche they are in.

Like most things, you get what you pay for and mediocre photographers won't get away with charging what highly respected and reputable photographers with a following can charge. (For good reason.) It's up to the buyer to be diligent and look at the past work and references of any provider of services. I look at the wedding pictures we have from our wedding in '95 and I'm blown away. And of course they shot with film then. Mostly medium format. At this point in my photography experience and with the great gear I currently own, I think I *might* be able to duplicate maybe half the shots if I was really lucky.

There is no replacing skill, talent and experience but it can be earned and the photographer doesn't have to be paid to earn/learn it. So with that said, IMO the only thing that matters is the work. Some non-pros will easily shoot circles around some pros and vice versa. And I think Wedding Photography is perhaps the hardest and most demanding photography out there. It's essentially journalistic photography in all the hardest situations but with a demand of top studio level excellence and quality. My hat is off to all good and great wedding photographers. All others have my sympathy.
 
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Studio1930 said:
For future amateurs who are asked to shoot a wedding for a friend and to just have fun, you only need to rent one thing...

a professional photographer!

Some people have given some great advice, but advice is not experience. Be a second shooter before you decide to accept the job of being the only shooter. If you are lucky then you might get away with shooting your first wedding by yourself but most people will not be that lucky and more crappy $150 wedding albums will be created.

everyone has to start somewhere, who knows, he may just have what it takes from the off? what better place to jump in than at the deep end?

I remember my first wedding...

Although I had been a commercial photographer for about 10 years before hand,. there's nothing quite like that rush of being plunged in way over you head :)
 
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Great perspective -- and elegantly said!! It's a pleasure to read a coherent and well written post.

Thanks.



RustyTheGeek said:
I think there are a lot of poor and somewhat fair photographers out there working as "professional photographers" because they have a website and price list. The number of skilled, experienced and talented photographers out there is a much smaller percentage. Notice I didn't include the word professional the secont time. IMHO, the word professional only indicates the fact that the photographer charges for their services and hopefully can pull off the job to the clients' satisfaction. The word professional in no way vouches for the quality of the work. Today's great (or not so great) professional is merely yesterday's up and coming amateur. Everyone has to start somewhere.

It's all about the individual. For example, there are many "photo moms" out there that are "professionals" because they do photography as a part time side business and it helps pay for their gear. This is how a lot of professionals start out. It's only after a lot of time and work has been performed that the photographer gets better in all aspects, be it working with subjects, scheduling, billing, delivery of images, whatever. Like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get. And you only improve at what you do. If one never ventures outside their comfort zone, they don't grow much, they just improve in that niche they are in.

Like most things, you get what you pay for and mediocre photographers won't get away with charging what highly respected and reputable photographers with a following can charge. (For good reason.) It's up to the buyer to be diligent and look at the past work and references of any provider of services. I look at the wedding pictures we have from our wedding in '95 and I'm blown away. And of course they shot with film then. Mostly medium format. At this point in my photography experience and with the great gear I currently own, I think I *might* be able to duplicate maybe half the shots if I was really lucky.

There is no replacing skill, talent and experience but it can be earned and the photographer doesn't have to be paid to earn/learn it. So with that said, IMO the only thing that matters is the work. Some non-pros will easily shoot circles around some pros and vice versa. And I think Wedding Photography is perhaps the hardest and most demanding photography out there. It's essentially journalistic photography in all the hardest situations but with a demand of top studio level excellence and quality. My hat is off to all good and great wedding photographers. All others have my sympathy.
 
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