EOS-1D X & EOS 5D Mark III Replacements in 2015 [CR1]

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Don Haines said:
R1-7D said:
Looking at the Northlight website and going back quite a few months there seems to be a lot of "throw mud at the wall and see if it sticks" going on.

I'm sure replacements are in the works. When will we see them is the question...so in the meantime enjoy what you've got. :)
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Don't forget that northlight said that the release of the 7D2 was only a month or so away....... And announced that a year and a half ago..... With a spec list that was inferior to the 70D and no mention of DPAF. I don't believe anything they claim.
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Exactly. I've spent the evening reading that site and I'm even more skeptical than I was before.

Their rumors with release dates and specs are frequently wrong, and Rumors like this one on the main page of CR are a combination of common knowledge (yes, Canon will eventually update their line of cameras) and guesses.

The saying "even a broken clock is right twice a day" relates to that site nicely. They make crap up most of the time, but occasionally announce something legitimate (usually nothing earth-shattering) and then claim to be a reliable source.
 
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#42
KKCFamilyman said:
Makes me wonder if I should return my 1dx and wait since I have the time.
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I'd suggest not - I bought my 1Ds at the end of 2003, and the 1Ds2 was available by November 2004. The single model increment was modest, and I carried on with the 1Ds for my commercial work until the 1Ds3 arrived in November 2007.

Given that the info I had pointed to an early 2015 announcement for both (the late 2014 1D X2 was only a 'possibility) I'd not expect you to be able to get a 1D X mk2 for perhaps a year.. a long while to go without the 1D X.

As something more than 6 months out, such rumours automatically get my biggest 'pinch of salt' rating on Northlight - keep the 1D X and use it! ;-)
 
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#43
keithcooper said:
KKCFamilyman said:
Makes me wonder if I should return my 1dx and wait since I have the time.
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I'd suggest not - I bought my 1Ds at the end of 2003, and the 1Ds2 was available by November 2004. The single model increment was modest, and I carried on with the 1Ds for my commercial work until the 1Ds3 arrived in November 2007.

Given that the info I had pointed to an early 2015 announcement for both (the late 2014 1D X2 was only a 'possibility) I'd not expect you to be able to get a 1D X mk2 for perhaps a year.. a long while to go without the 1D X.

As something more than 6 months out, such rumours automatically get my biggest 'pinch of salt' rating on Northlight - keep the 1D X and use it! ;-)
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Hi Keith, it's great to see you posting here. Your Northlight website has been an inspiration and an education, especially your printer reviews.

Unfortunatly, there is an insanity which occurrs when Canon releases a new batch of DSLR's. Fire sales occurr and everyone clammours for the newest and greatest. There's a common belief that their beloved camera will suddenly be obsolete and there unable to take any more pictures of a reputatble quality. So what's the best a 1DX II will offer over a 1DX? A few extra mega pixels? A few stops of DR? A few more FPS? In the light of the rest of this camera's capabilities, these are mild or warm upgrades regardless of what the hype will have us believe. There is also a belief / fear that the second hand value of their cams will instantly spiral as soon as a new model is released. Which is not true, the resale value it proportionate to how long the model has been in the market, how many of them are on the market and how clean / abused the camera is.
Look at the S/H price of 1d4 and 1dsIII cams....still a hefty price considering their age. Sure, you;re bot going to get anywhere near the new price for the camera, especially if you paid top dollar for it when the 1DX was first released. But it's still going to be worth more on the S/H market than a new 5DIII.
 
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#44
Don Haines said:
R1-7D said:
Looking at the Northlight website and going back quite a few months there seems to be a lot of "throw mud at the wall and see if it sticks" going on.

I'm sure replacements are in the works. When will we see them is the question...so in the meantime enjoy what you've got. :)
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Don't forget that northlight said that the release of the 7D2 was only a month or so away....... And announced that a year and a half ago..... With a spec list that was inferior to the 70D and no mention of DPAF. I don't believe anything they claim.
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Nor for that matter, do I ...and there is no 'they' at Northlight, just me, if you don't mind ;-) :)

Solid rumours I'd put any money on come along very rarely. I personally discount almost anything that's more than 4 months out from an announcement.

If I waited to be absolutely certain, the pages would be very thin indeed (as they would here at CR) - they are rumours I'm sent - often anonymous.

Much like Craig here, I get sent a lot of stuff so 'out there' that we don't mention it

...one day a long detailed note of Canon's future plans and technology may come along, but I think we'll have a long long wait.
 
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Keith, I like your page and I like every rumor out of it ;-) As well as Craig's.

I got a slightly different question, off topic in a certain sense:
What are the two of you thinking about the next 6D?
Currently shooting mostly nightsky (MF via 10x LV), otherwise using center AF point only, the 6D would absolutely "do" for me somehow. It came out shortly after I purchased the 5D3, things happen that way ;-)

The only hesitation I have with the 6D is that it doesn't offer a CF-card slot.
Is this likely to happen with an upcoming outing sometime after these rumored upper level cams?

If so, I might go for one, although the 5D3 is a perfect allrounder and I will keep it until a 5DV appears, if it doesn't break or anything like that.
 
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#46
pedro said:
Keith, I like your page and I like every rumor out of it ;-) As well Craig's.

I got another question: What do the two of you think about the 6D. Currently shooting mostly nightsky, the 6D would absolutely "do" for me. It came out shortly after I purchased the 5D3, things happen that way ;-) The only hesitation I have with the 6D is that it doesn't offer a CF-card slot. Is this likely to happen with an upcoming outing sometime after these rumored upper level cams?

If so, I might go for one, although the 5D3 is a perfect allrounder and I will keep it until a 5DV appears, if it doesn't break or anything like that.
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Thanks!

The 6D2 is something I've heard nothing about. I note that it was announced in September 2012 and that the first real mention of something was only 4-5 months before it came out. So, if you pick Sept. 2015, then not a lot is likely for a year or so, although once a 5D4 appears, attention will switch to what is 'next' in the lineup.

I'd note as an aside, that all the most reliable rumours I've had over the years have come from people happy to use their names. Much like forum posts, my consideration tends to be biased more positively towards people willing to step out of the shadows ;-)
 
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#47
Rumor seems like natural conjecture based on the potential "revolutionary" sensor tech rumor of the 7D. So, it may be one of those rumors based on a rumor.

But, three years is reasonable, just a bit earlier than I was expecting. It may depend on how "revolutionary" the new 7D tech is. My guess, we are looking at late 2015 or early 2016 for the 5DIV and 1DXII. The 5DIII is all I need, but a 8 fps, and another stop of ISO performance and I'll probably upgrade.

As for other areas of possible improvement, there is a good list going, just to add....how about making all AF points cross type, more (all?) f/2.8 and AF with f/8.

If the 5D series is the "wedding camera" I can see the f/2.8. The f/8 may be more for "wildlife" cameras like the 7D and 1D series.
 
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docsmith said:
Rumor seems like natural conjecture based on the potential "revolutionary" sensor tech rumor of the 7D. So, it may be one of those rumors based on a rumor.

But, three years is reasonable, just a bit earlier than I was expecting. It may depend on how "revolutionary" the new 7D tech is. My guess, we are looking at late 2015 or early 2016 for the 5DIV and 1DXII. The 5DIII is all I need, but a 8 fps, and another stop of ISO performance and I'll probably upgrade.

As for other areas of possible improvement, there is a good list going, just to add....how about making all AF points cross type, more (all?) f/2.8 and AF with f/8.

If the 5D series is the "wedding camera" I can see the f/2.8. The f/8 may be more for "wildlife" cameras like the 7D and 1D series.
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Yes, docsmith! Another stop of ISO improvement would be VERY welcome. 51k like my 20-25k on the 5D3 now. But I guess that this depends on MP count, fast digic(s) and wether Canon are willing to do it or not. But as mirrorless cams (Sony A7s) get great high ISO specs (understanding that it is a 12 MP sensor) Canon might seem to be kind of forced to equip especially their higher end models accordingly...No need for ISO 204k on a future 5D. But really improved ISO 12.8k to 51k is on my wishlist. Either in a 5DIV or a 5DV.
 
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#53
This really depends on just how revolutionary any new sensor technology introduced with the 7DII actually is.

DPAF was pretty significant, but not so much so that it caused a major disruption in the market, where everything without it was seen as obsolete.

It would take an incredible advancement in sensor tech to force Canon to rush 5DIII and 1DX replacements to market. On the one hand, it's very difficult to imagine any 7DII advancement of that magnitude. On the other hand, it's always risky to bet against the future when it comes to technological advancements.

I will hope we see that kind of advancement, but I will bet that we won't.
 
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unfocused said:
... On the one hand, it's very difficult to imagine any 7DII advancement of that magnitude. On the other hand, it's always risky to bet against the future when it comes to technological advancements.

I will hope we see that kind of advancement, but I will bet that we won't.
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well, 24 MP at least 1 stop improvement for Noise, Banding and DR ... throughout entire ISO Range should be simple enough ... otherwise Canon should just purchase Nikon 7100 from Toshiba and put DPAF in an improved version (vs. 70D) on it. :)

We shall see ... ;D
 
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#55
keithcooper said:
Solid rumours I'd put any money on come along very rarely. I personally discount almost anything that's more than 4 months out from an announcement.
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I still can't fathom why the camera makers are so secretive, when companies like Intel and Microsoft provide roadmaps into future announcements.
 
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#56
Lee Jay said:
keithcooper said:
Solid rumours I'd put any money on come along very rarely. I personally discount almost anything that's more than 4 months out from an announcement.
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I still can't fathom why the camera makers are so secretive, when companies like Intel and Microsoft provide roadmaps into future announcements.
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+1000

Actually most camera makers are handing out roadmaps when they announce new camera/lens systems like EOS-M and EF-M.

Definitely Fuji (X-mount), Panasonic (mFT), Olympus (FT and mFT), Samsung (NX), Sony (NEX/E-mount and A7/FE-mount) have done so.

Nikon, Canon and Leica however are totally caught up in customer-unfriendly, arrogant behavioral patterns.
 
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The roadmap sounds plausible for me. Just expand the schedule to the future and a new 5DM4 is right in time. The 1DX should be fine for the moment.. I don't think that the new 1D will arive before the 5D.

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I wouldn't mind to get down to 16 or 18 MPixel again, just with 2 Stops more dynamic. The new Sony A7S is the right direction in my opinion, if it wouldn't be Sony ;)
 
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