EOS-1D X & EOS 5D Mark III Replacements in 2015 [CR1]

[GMCPhotographics]

When Canon switches to CFast then I can see them switching to USB 3 from USB 2.

Apple dropped Firewire altogether because of the bandwidth limitation of the standard at 40MB/s and 80MB/s. These were fast during the time of USB 1.x and USB 2.x but Firewire pales in comparison to USB 3 speeds of 500MB/s

Thunderbolt 1 & 2 are spec'd to 1,000MB/s & 2,000GB/s respectively.

What probably restricted Canon from transitioning to faster I/O is size, heat, power draw, price, usability, demand & workflow.

It is possible that SDI is too high end or it isnt as popular as HDMI. If you do want a pro video camera then get a Cinema EOS and not a EOS?

just curious what you guys think the next cameras will have in regards to their connection for tethered shooting? Will Canon put USB3 or Thunderbolt and if it's Thunderbolt could there be a new version of Thunderbolt that doesn't coincide with today's version?

I have not kept up on the computer news but I do remember when Apple dropped firewire 400 that a lot of cameras were using for tethered shooting

thanks for any insights

p.s any reason why they won't put SDI connections verses HDMI?

Ah yes...apple and their curiously bizarre support for unloveed and unadopted standards. Look how many devices have usb 3 compared to either firewire or thunderbolt. There's loads of USB 3 but hardly none outside of Apple who have supported thunderbolt. Who cares if it's theoretically a faster port if you can't get many devices to connect to it?

 

[GMCPhotographics]

If this is true, and Canon feels that this "new technology" about to be debuted in the 7D2 is so good that the rest of the lineup must have it, it must be something big!

That is quite optimistic.

Launch price for the mkiii was 3500... so I suppose $4000 seems like a reasonable bump up in price... with the 1dx's selling at $5000... it really raises the question of whether a 1dx for an extra grand is worth it more than a new mkiv. Interesting question.

There are many reasons to buy the 5D line over the 1D line, regardless of how much better the 1D line may be. No battery grip (BIG reason for many people), more megapixels, less read noise, quieter mirror, cheaper (even a thousand bucks is more than "cheaper enough"), etc.

It depends on your shooting needs, if you need 12fps and top tier Ai Servo tracking then the 1DX is the way to go. If you want a camera with simular built quality, simular AF capability (but not quite as good tracking), a near silent shutter and a smaller foot print then the 5DIII is your camera. Two prefectly placed cameras fulfilling two very different roles but with a big overlap between them.

 

[vscd]

are you still glad when you're pushing out the shadows in post processing knowing that you've spent a fortune on buying a great camera with almost the same sensor as the previous model?

It's not the same sensor, you gained a lot more ISO-performance. Canon had just another approach for their new sensors. While Nikon (=Sony) tried to improve the dynamic range and resolution, Canon was into the ISO-direction the last few years. The next step for Canon will be the DR again, I guess.

>Doesn't canon sensors need improvements?

They did, but not in your wanted direction. They invented the DPAF on the 70D for example... an invention which easily catches a lot of engineers. As a company you have ressources for innovation, but you have to choose your next steps. A DR of maybe 11.5-12 stops should be enough for the moment, ISO 1600 wasn't at that time.

>I don't care who makes it, i care on doing my job better.

Your job depends on 1 or 2 stops of DR? Did you try to use HDR or gradient Filters? I know that a better sensor can save a lot of work, but I can't imagine that there are unresolveable jobs for a 1DX/5D3.

Don't complain if canon re-sells the same sensor in the next model with USB3 and 4k as a new feature which is useless for photographers.

I'm not too lucky with Canon in the last few years, but remember that there was a tsunami, a radioactive fallout (especially for canon-locations) and a cut down power-support for companies. Let them come out with a new performance next year and everyone is happy again. Sigma is a good example for that.

By the way, canon is still selling more bodies than anyone else... they make something right, I think. And their sensors aren't oily ;D

 

[BL]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

 

[mrsfotografie]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

 

[dolina]

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

This is always said until the next latest and greatest shows up.

 

[Menace]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

 

[mrsfotografie]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Mind, the 5D series has a trick up its sleeve that the 1D series cannot offer: the option to go without a grip which is invaluable when I travel or when I carry two bodies on a shoot (the body with the widest lens will usually go without a grip in order for me to fit all my gear into my bag - a limit I've set myself on the max amount of gear I'm willing to carry). That, and the cost of the body itself ;D

 

[Jglaser757]

I regret not jumping ship to Nikon when the 800e came out. Now Nikon comes out with an update and canon is still dragging their feet with a high mp camera. I loved my mk III , but I see the limitations when I print anything larger than 30x40. I never thought canon would sit back and twiddle their thumbs and scratching their heads for two years, let alone almost three years for an update.

 

[dolina]

I regret not jumping ship to Nikon when the 800e came out. Now Nikon comes out with an update and canon is still dragging their feet with a high mp camera. I loved my mk III , but I see the limitations when I print anything larger than 30x40. I never thought canon would sit back and twiddle their thumbs and scratching their heads for two years, let alone almost three years for an update.

That could get Canon to do an update.

 

[Dylan777]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Mind, the 5D series has a trick up its sleeve that the 1D series cannot offer: the option to go without a grip which is invaluable when I travel or when I carry two bodies on a shoot (the body with the widest lens will usually go without a grip in order for me to fit all my gear into my bag - a limit I've set myself on the max amount of gear I'm willing to carry). That, and the cost of the body itself ;D

In the fast lane:
About faster tracking & more accurate AF in AI servo?
About 20plus RAWs without worry too much buffer slowing down?
About 12000ISO in low light without worry noise?
About proper exposure in AI servo & Oneshot?

Best of all, like Neuro said " he used his X to drive nail" - NOW can the 5D III does that? ;D

As an owner of both, I agree with you 5D III is great camera compared to mrk II. However, the X is just much-much better, until X II of course

 

[Ruined]

Dear Canon,
5D4 with firmware and hardware support for interchangeable focus screens. THANKS!

 

[Menace]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Mind, the 5D series has a trick up its sleeve that the 1D series cannot offer: the option to go without a grip which is invaluable when I travel or when I carry two bodies on a shoot (the body with the widest lens will usually go without a grip in order for me to fit all my gear into my bag - a limit I've set myself on the max amount of gear I'm willing to carry). That, and the cost of the body itself ;D

In the fast lane:
About faster tracking & more accurate AF in AI servo?
About 20plus RAWs without worry too much buffer slowing down?
About 12000ISO in low light without worry noise?
About proper exposure in AI servo & Oneshot?

Best of all, like Neuro said " he used his X to drive nail" - NOW can the 5D III does that? ;D

As an owner of both, I agree with you 5D III is great camera compared to mrk II. However, the X is just much-much better, until X II of course

Ha ha Dylan777 - sounds like you are mentally preparing yourself for the 1DX2 already. Maybe it will replace your 5dMK3 and complement your 'old' 1dx.

 

[BL]

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Yeah, I mean in many ways they are similar cameras. But the red blinky AF points of AI servo in low light, high fps, and other little niceties (spot metering tied to AF point, saving camera setups to CF card, weather resistance, interchangeable focussing screens, etc.) make it the perfect camera for me.

It's hard to imagine what major improvement the 1DX mkII could offer imho

 

[mrsfotografie]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Mind, the 5D series has a trick up its sleeve that the 1D series cannot offer: the option to go without a grip which is invaluable when I travel or when I carry two bodies on a shoot (the body with the widest lens will usually go without a grip in order for me to fit all my gear into my bag - a limit I've set myself on the max amount of gear I'm willing to carry). That, and the cost of the body itself ;D

In the fast lane:
About faster tracking & more accurate AF in AI servo?
About 20plus RAWs without worry too much buffer slowing down?
About 12000ISO in low light without worry noise?
About proper exposure in AI servo & Oneshot?

Best of all, like Neuro said " he used his X to drive nail" - NOW can the 5D III does that? ;D

As an owner of both, I agree with you 5D III is great camera compared to mrk II. However, the X is just much-much better, until X II of course

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Yeah, I mean in many ways they are similar cameras. But the red blinky AF points of AI servo in low light, high fps, and other little niceties (spot metering tied to AF point, saving camera setups to CF card, weather resistance, interchangeable focussing screens, etc.) make it the perfect camera for me.

It's hard to imagine what major improvement the 1DX mkII could offer imho

Of course everyone can compare specifications between camera's, but honestly for my type of shooting, I'm still totally satisfied with the MkIII which is a really nice feeling ;D

On the mirrorless end I feel a little unrest though... that a7 looks really tasty (I have the FF bug yes).

 

[Dylan777]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Mind, the 5D series has a trick up its sleeve that the 1D series cannot offer: the option to go without a grip which is invaluable when I travel or when I carry two bodies on a shoot (the body with the widest lens will usually go without a grip in order for me to fit all my gear into my bag - a limit I've set myself on the max amount of gear I'm willing to carry). That, and the cost of the body itself ;D

In the fast lane:
About faster tracking & more accurate AF in AI servo?
About 20plus RAWs without worry too much buffer slowing down?
About 12000ISO in low light without worry noise?
About proper exposure in AI servo & Oneshot?

Best of all, like Neuro said " he used his X to drive nail" - NOW can the 5D III does that? ;D

As an owner of both, I agree with you 5D III is great camera compared to mrk II. However, the X is just much-much better, until X II of course

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Yeah, I mean in many ways they are similar cameras. But the red blinky AF points of AI servo in low light, high fps, and other little niceties (spot metering tied to AF point, saving camera setups to CF card, weather resistance, interchangeable focussing screens, etc.) make it the perfect camera for me.

It's hard to imagine what major improvement the 1DX mkII could offer imho

Of course everyone can compare specifications between camera's, but honestly for my type of shooting, I'm still totally satisfied with the MkIII which is a really nice feeling ;D

On the mirrorless end I feel a little unrest though... that a7 looks really tasty (I have the FF bug yes).

You ended our discussion well. It's all about the individual needs.

Give FE 35mm a try if you ever decide on a7. I'm waiting for FE UWA. It feels like forever.

 

[mrsfotografie]

Of course everyone can compare specifications between camera's, but honestly for my type of shooting, I'm still totally satisfied with the MkIII which is a really nice feeling ;D

On the mirrorless end I feel a little unrest though... that a7 looks really tasty (I have the FF bug yes).

You ended our discussion well. It's all about the individual needs.

Give FE 35mm a try if you ever decide on a7. I'm waiting for FE UWA. It feels like forever.

I've got a collection of FD and FL glass, and recently acquired a mint condition FDn 50mm f/1.4 that I would like to use as a walk-around lens. There's an FDn mount Sigma 21-35 f/3.5-4 and 70-210 3.5-4.5 APO on the way too, and that 21-35 is supposedly a pretty good UWA zoom. This is what makes me yearn for a full frame mirrorless! I've considered a Mitakon Lens turbo adapter to use FF lenses on APS-C but I think it will kill the optical quality.

The intention will be not to invest in too much FE glass; just an AF zoom or prime and the rest will be all legacy stuff (although it's also possible to use my current E-mount lenses in a cropped mode). I'm waiting for a good FDn 35mm f/2 to come along, maybe that will help me decide Yeah I've got the GAS

 

[msm]

I have to be truly honest. I just got a 1DX about 6 months ago to replace my old beaten down 5dMK3 and I cannot honestly think of anything else I could want from a camera. It has great AF, great low light capabilities, excellent ISO quality. What else is there that you "HAVE" to have? To me nothing. I understand we will always want more in life but for me I have to say I am truly happy with my 1DX. Just my opinion of course, I know most feel differently.

+1

The 1Dx is the last DSLR I purchase. Famous last words, yes, I know, but seriously.

As a hobbyist, I have never been more pleased with a camera related purchase than the day I started using this camera body.

It must be truly great because I can't really imagine needing anything better than is offered by the 5DMkIII.

Unless you are shooting sports or fast action or need the robustness of the 1 series body, 5D3 is a great body. I know cos I shoot with both.

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Mind, the 5D series has a trick up its sleeve that the 1D series cannot offer: the option to go without a grip which is invaluable when I travel or when I carry two bodies on a shoot (the body with the widest lens will usually go without a grip in order for me to fit all my gear into my bag - a limit I've set myself on the max amount of gear I'm willing to carry). That, and the cost of the body itself ;D

In the fast lane:
About faster tracking & more accurate AF in AI servo?
About 20plus RAWs without worry too much buffer slowing down?
About 12000ISO in low light without worry noise?
About proper exposure in AI servo & Oneshot?

Best of all, like Neuro said " he used his X to drive nail" - NOW can the 5D III does that? ;D

As an owner of both, I agree with you 5D III is great camera compared to mrk II. However, the X is just much-much better, until X II of course

When I bought the MkII I knew the AF performance was 'imited'. As fot the MkIII I'm yet to find the limits of what its AF has to offer, even with fast motorsports so again, it's hard to imagine what improvement the 1DX could offer.

Yeah, I mean in many ways they are similar cameras. But the red blinky AF points of AI servo in low light, high fps, and other little niceties (spot metering tied to AF point, saving camera setups to CF card, weather resistance, interchangeable focussing screens, etc.) make it the perfect camera for me.

It's hard to imagine what major improvement the 1DX mkII could offer imho

Of course everyone can compare specifications between camera's, but honestly for my type of shooting, I'm still totally satisfied with the MkIII which is a really nice feeling ;D

On the mirrorless end I feel a little unrest though... that a7 looks really tasty (I have the FF bug yes).

You ended our discussion well. It's all about the individual needs.

Give FE 35mm a try if you ever decide on a7. I'm waiting for FE UWA. It feels like forever.

I almost never shoot UWA, but I got a Samyang 14mm and I am impressed by how well it performs on my A7R especially for such a cheap lens.

 

[jdramirez]

I almost never shoot UWA, but I got a Samyang 14mm and I am impressed by how well it performs on my A7R especially for such a cheap lens.

I was thinking about one of those... but I don't want to lose money on another lens if I decide I don't want it...

 

[vscd]

Yepp, the samyang 14mm lens is a hell of a lens for the price. Sharp and nice build. Just the barreldistortion is really strong. So don't try to make architectural pictures with it, at least no on film