EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[tphillips63]

"Anyhoo, this is what I'd sepculate:

1. 5Ds High-Megapixel for $4,999
2. 5DIV for $3,499
3. 6DII for $1,999"


With Nikon's pricing on the D810, I don't see how Canon could even attempt to charge 5K for a high megapixel camera in the 5D series. I doubt I would even do more than look at it at that price. Those prices would get me motivated to change brands or stay with what I have.

 

[kuffer]

I bet a kidney and a lung that Canon would never launch such cameras. The with and without AA filter just makes no sense in the whole Canon scheme. It is the same as saying that AA filter is good and bad for your photos and Canon would never assume that they release products that is actually bad.
Also, it creates too much confusion when the customer is deciding which product to buy and will lead too many people to buyer's remorse (if one buys a camera with AA filter, he'll wish he bought the one without AA, and vice versa). Alas, Canon even amalgamated the 1D series into a single camera (no more full frame and APS-H formats, only full frame available now).
Anyone here willing to bet? I'll Fedex my parts if I'm wrong. Next day shipping.

 

[ngrinerphoto]

The top plate on the 1dx stinks for events. The ability to control the flash compensation is a two handed operation. I much prefer the 5d3 when shooting corporate and social events.

 

[anthonyd]

I bet a kidney and a lung that Canon would never launch such cameras. The with and without AA filter just makes no sense in the whole Canon scheme. It is the same as saying that AA filter is good and bad for your photos and Canon would never assume that they release products that is actually bad.
Also, it creates too much confusion when the customer is deciding which product to buy and will lead too many people to buyer's remorse (if one buys a camera with AA filter, he'll wish he bought the one without AA, and vice versa). Alas, Canon even amalgamated the 1D series into a single camera (no more full frame and APS-H formats, only full frame available now).
Anyone here willing to bet? I'll Fedex my parts if I'm wrong. Next day shipping.

What's your age, alcohol consumption and average daily exercise? We can't bet blindly, this is a spec oriented site.

 

[LovePhotography]

I wish they'd make ONE DSLR that is the absolute best money can buy in 2015. While I'm not rich, I'd be willing to forego a weeks vacation (spending $1000's of dollars on some dumb cruise or something) if that's what it took to buy the camera body that did "everything".... high resolution for landscape, fast fps and focus for sports, etc. with as few compromises as possible. People buy medium format and even Hasselblad, but I don't want to because they are limited on lenses and big and not weather sealed, etc., plus I'm invested in the Canon system. It they would just make ONE camera that has it "all" (as much as can be in 2015) I'd buy it. I can get the money. What I can't get is more time in my life. Why always having to choose a compromise for which there is a remedy if one would just be willing to spend a little more money? Just my $0.02

 

[PureClassA]

Is this Canon taking Sony's Alpha 7 triple threat head on? It'll be interesting to see how the features and price points compare.

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As of right now, if the rumor is correct then it's similar, but that wont hold on any front. The A7II (MP range of 5D3) is $1700. The A7r (36MP) is $2200 and is about to be (I would have to assume) replaced by the A9 (46MP). And Canon has nothing close to the A7s and seems to have no intention to in order to protect their Cinema EOS line.

So not even pricing would match up to any Sony Alpha... but then again, it's not meant to.

Their target is the professional Nikon user (with this/these rumored bodies) so far as competition goes. The D810 and D750.

 

[Famateur]

With Nikon's pricing on the D810, I don't see how Canon could even attempt to charge 5K for a high megapixel camera in the 5D series. I doubt I would even do more than look at it at that price. Those prices would get me motivated to change brands or stay with what I have.

Yep -- it's the resolution and prices of the competition from Sony/Nikon that would put pressure on the Canon price. Hooray for competition!

I'm hoping you're right, although either way, it's beyond my hobbyist budget. I'm excited to see what comes along mainly for the price-impact when retailers need to move remaining stock of current gen bodies...

 

[LovePhotography]

... Im just waiting for the 5DIV to come out. So I can get a second 5DIII when the prices go hit 2k.

Bingo!

It's very entertaining reading all these posts by forum members about which variant they should buy of a camera model that hasn't even been announced yet!

Banner ad on CR this morning. Don't know if it's legit, but it was on CR... 5D III body only- $1,899.
http://www.digitaloutlets.net/canon/can5dm3/

 

[PureClassA]

With Nikon's pricing on the D810, I don't see how Canon could even attempt to charge 5K for a high megapixel camera in the 5D series. I doubt I would even do more than look at it at that price. Those prices would get me motivated to change brands or stay with what I have.

Yep -- it's the resolution and prices of the competition from Sony/Nikon that would put pressure on the Canon price. Hooray for competition!

I'm hoping you're right, although either way, it's beyond my hobbyist budget. I'm excited to see what comes along mainly for the price-impact when retailers need to move remaining stock of current gen bodies...

If the 5D4 pans out like this CR2 with a modest 24MP version with DPAF and a super high 50MP version, I think Canon would be foolish not to keep the existing 5D3 and simply re-brand it with a a few tweaks as the 6D2. Sell it for $1999 and you're development costs are virtually zero. And when I say rebrading, I just mean use the same 5D3 sensor, use the AF system or perhaps a slightly dumbed down version of it (20 something cross type points) and maybe 5-6FPS. It's a proven model with a great sales track record. The new 5D4 would get you a little more resolution with the DPAF of the 7D2 and the 65 all cross type points along with 6-8 FPS. $$2999. Then you have beast mode for $3999 with 50MP and whatever else.

And Super Beast mode when we get a 1DX2 with everything at $6500

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

For me, all three would be too big, too heavy, too massive, and too too late.

Nothing Canon is doing or rumored to be doing convinces me that they have the remotest clue as to what's happened to the photography equipment market. Even a relatively simple migration from the closed, hard to network VxWorks firmware that Canon currently uses to something more flexible, like Linux, is avoided at all costs by Canon.

I've kept a 7D and a couple long lenses for wildlife and motorsports. But this will only be for as long as it takes for the right gear to be available from someone else. As of today, 95 percent of my work is created using the equipment from a competitor's system.

 

[lintoni]

With Nikon's pricing on the D810, I don't see how Canon could even attempt to charge 5K for a high megapixel camera in the 5D series. I doubt I would even do more than look at it at that price. Those prices would get me motivated to change brands or stay with what I have.

Yep -- it's the resolution and prices of the competition from Sony/Nikon that would put pressure on the Canon price. Hooray for competition!

I'm hoping you're right, although either way, it's beyond my hobbyist budget. I'm excited to see what comes along mainly for the price-impact when retailers need to move remaining stock of current gen bodies...

If the 5D4 pans out like this CR2 with a modest 24MP version with DPAF and a super high 50MP version, I think Canon would be foolish not to keep the existing 5D3 and simply re-brand it with a a few tweaks as the 6D2. Sell it for $1999 and you're development costs are virtually zero. And when I say rebrading, I just mean use the same 5D3 sensor, use the AF system or perhaps a slightly dumbed down version of it (20 something cross type points) and maybe 5-6FPS. It's a proven model with a great sales track record. The new 5D4 would get you a little more resolution with the DPAF of the 7D2 and the 65 all cross type points along with 6-8 FPS. $$2999. Then you have beast mode for $3999 with 50MP and whatever else.

And Super Beast mode when we get a 1DX2 with everything at $6500

Some say the current 6D sensor bests that of the 5D3, at least in regards to its noise characteristics, and would consider this to be a downgrade...

 

[lintoni]

For me, all three would be too big, too heavy, too massive, and too too late.

Nothing Canon is doing or rumored to be doing convinces me that they have the remotest clue as to what's happened to the photography equipment market. Even a relatively simple migration from the closed, hard to network VxWorks firmware that Canon currently uses to something more flexible, like Linux, is avoided at all costs by Canon.

I've kept a 7D and a couple long lenses for wildlife and motorsports. But this will only be for as long as it takes for the right gear to be available from someone else. As of today, 95 percent of my work is created using the equipment from a competitor's system.

Canon haven't used VxWorks for years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRYOS

 

[Famateur]

Then you have beast mode for $3999 with 50MP and whatever else.
And Super Beast mode when we get a 1DX2 with everything...

That would be cool. Maybe they would call it the 5DL and 1DXL ("L" for Lynch -- beast mode ).

That gives me an idea for solving the naming/numbering limitations that are fast approaching...What if instead of using 1-series prefixes as designation for "pro" bodies, they come up with whatever names they want but attach the "L" designation to the end for anything "pro". They do that for lenses, so it would make sense to match that to bodies, wouldn't it? Might even make amateurs with non-L bodies feel that much better about buying an "L" lens for their lower-end body. "Hey look -- I have a pro lens!" I know you can do that now, but having "L" designate pro bodies, too, would make that a much stronger correlation. Just a lunch-break thought...

 

[Famateur]

I think Canon would be foolish not to keep the existing 5D3 and simply re-brand it with a a few tweaks as the 6D2.

Some say the current 6D sensor bests that of the 5D3, at least in regards to its noise characteristics, and would consider this to be a downgrade...

Good point. It's easy to forget that the 6D sensor is arguably Canon's finest to date. I'm still hoping for the 6DII (completely baseless speculation/wishing, I know) to be, essentially, a full frame 70D.

 

[StudentOfLight]

I think Canon would be foolish not to keep the existing 5D3 and simply re-brand it with a a few tweaks as the 6D2.

Some say the current 6D sensor bests that of the 5D3, at least in regards to its noise characteristics, and would consider this to be a downgrade...

Good point. It's easy to forget that the 6D sensor is arguably Canon's finest to date. I'm still hoping for the 6DII (completely baseless speculation/wishing, I know) to be, essentially, a full frame 70D.

Just a thought...

If Canon really wanted to throw a curve ball they could put a 36MP Exmor sensor in the 6D-II and sell it for cheap. 6D is targeting casual Travel/Landscape photographers who would appreciate the detail and not necessarily need the speed and AF capabilities of a higher end body. Throw in full articulating LCD, Wifi, GPS, compass and see how they sell ???

 

[PureClassA]

I love my 6D as it is except maybe a minor gripe wishing for just a few more AF points. But in reality, if they come up with a Mk2 version, marketing would suggest at least a small bump in what folks tend to see as the main piece of a camera. (on the other hand... look at he Rebel series... virtually nothing but feature upgrades over the years) PERSONALLY, I'd be fine with a 6D2 using the same sensor as now but adding in more AF points and making them all Cross type. Again, 20 something would be sufficient for a camera in this price range. Then step up the flash sync to 250 instead of 180. Again, seems minor enough to still maintain the spectre of "entry level" especially if one step up is the 5D4.

All that said, I don't have much intention of buying one. If I didn't already have a 6D, I would be. My interest lies in a high MP high performing 5D4 or a 1DX2 if it gets announced this year.


....and yes you may have lost the entire internation community on here with your Marshawn Lynch reference ;-)

The Red L ... L for lens. So a big red C for camera? heh. would be kinda cool.

 

[JLRoyal42]

It's getting to the point where everyone I know who shoots Canon has now switched over, or seriously thinking about switching over to Sony (who apparently has more dynamic range and IQ to offer at a cheaper cost right now than Canon).. That sucks.

Now in my head, the 5D Mark IV needs to set the bar for the next 3 years or so and if that doesn't include 4K, More Dynamic Range, Faster Frame Rates.. At a cheaper price.. Then I'm just not sure how they're going to answer back to all the competition that's out there today. It kinda worries me a bit that some people aren't expecting those changes to take place.

 

[Denisas Pupka]

This is intriguing if canon will go a7 / a7r / a7s path. I was looking a7s side for a while now and only think holding me back - problem adapting canon lenses. There are solutions, but focusing still will be very slow.

Its very interesting what canon will pull out against a7s video futures wise. (EVF, ability to switch between x1.6 and full frame, external 4K recording, swivel screen and other video stuff that you can get only with Magic Lantern installed).

 

[Orangutan]

It's getting to the point where everyone I know who shoots Canon has now switched over, or seriously thinking about switching over to Sony

Is your group a a statistical aberration, or are they representative of the entire market?

It kinda worries me a bit that some people aren't expecting those changes to take place.

I don't expect them to take place until the competition makes significant and consistent market gains against Canon. It's a mistake to think of the DSLR business as anything other than a business.

 

[Bob Howland]

I don't expect them to take place until the competition makes significant and consistent market gains against Canon. It's a mistake to think of the DSLR business as anything other than a business.

I'll agree with the second sentence but not the first. After all, isn't it better to make the changes before losing market share rather than after? Mismanaging major technological transitions drove Kodak into bankruptcy.

The managements of Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, Fuji and Samsung all decided, more or less simultaneously, that the case for MILCs over DSLRs was compelling enough to make major investments to overcome serious barriers to entry, the biggest of which seems to be getting stores to carry not-Canon/not-Nikon cameras so that consumers can look at them and buy them. It very much remains to be seen whether Canon and Nikon can leverage their installed base and very extensive DSLR lens lineups in the transition to MILCs.