EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]
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Anybody want to guess at the various prices of these models?
Personally, the 53mp for background shooting and some detailed studio work is what I would be looking at, the question is the AA filter version or the non-AA filter version. Thinking the AA version to be safe and maintain my post-processing and compositing workflow without adding moire concerns.
I usually shoot my backgrounds with the 5D3 for the extra pixels and hybrid HDR processing and use my 1DX for everything else. Had been considering going to a used medium format Phase One with a 40mp back, but the news that a big megapixel may finally be coming changed that. Really did not want to have to setup a second shooting platform, so am hoping the detail captured by this new 53mp 5Ds will meet my requirements.
And here's to hoping the low ISO banding noise is gone.
Personally, the 53mp for background shooting and some detailed studio work is what I would be looking at, the question is the AA filter version or the non-AA filter version. Thinking the AA version to be safe and maintain my post-processing and compositing workflow without adding moire concerns.
I usually shoot my backgrounds with the 5D3 for the extra pixels and hybrid HDR processing and use my 1DX for everything else. Had been considering going to a used medium format Phase One with a 40mp back, but the news that a big megapixel may finally be coming changed that. Really did not want to have to setup a second shooting platform, so am hoping the detail captured by this new 53mp 5Ds will meet my requirements.
And here's to hoping the low ISO banding noise is gone.
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xps said:
Canon lenses get "better" in resolution after time, i.e. as in "more adequate for the current sensors". Alas, they still get more expensive even with tech development and mass production.
As argued in a lot of threads, there is no "outresolving", but there certainly is an economy of what lens makes sense with what sensor resolution. For example, I wouldn't burden a 50mp+ sensor with my 17-40L which is just fine for my 20MP 6d.
My guess is that Canon will continuing updating their lens lineup before releasing a high res body as they did with the 24-70L2, 16-35L-IS, 100-400L2, ...
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RLPhoto
Gear doesn't matter, Just a Matter of Convenience.
It'd have to be a really awesome camera to make me spend more monies from my mk3. I mean no hold outs from canon. Built in RT, swappable focus screens, 4k video, new AF and metering from 7d2, DPAF, touch-screen, all at the same mk3 release price of $3499.
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Good God, where do we even start with this one.... 3 models bearing the name of the sacred FIVE? Starting to feel like Canon is taking the spaghetti approach, throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks.
I guess this will depends largely just how distinct each of the three are, but sounds like a Sony Alpha 7 line thinking.
Neuro or anyone else who knows more than I, Why could Canon not just create an AA filter build that could be turned ON or OFF at will? If Canon could install a sensor design with a non-functional low-pass to save manufacturing variance costs.... why couldn't we have just ONE high res 5Ds with an on/off switch??
I guess this will depends largely just how distinct each of the three are, but sounds like a Sony Alpha 7 line thinking.
Neuro or anyone else who knows more than I, Why could Canon not just create an AA filter build that could be turned ON or OFF at will? If Canon could install a sensor design with a non-functional low-pass to save manufacturing variance costs.... why couldn't we have just ONE high res 5Ds with an on/off switch??
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RLPhoto
Gear doesn't matter, Just a Matter of Convenience.
Yup. 5d1----> 5D3(held out on buying a 5d2 for along time) and it's very likely it will be 5d3---> 5D5 if it doesn't have those things.Marsu42 said:RLPhoto said:
Hey, weren't you the one saying the same thing about the 5d1 until just before you upgraded?
And even when the MK3 was released, I waited until the price was ripe @ $2499 before I bought it. I can wait and make money just fine with the mk3 as I did with the 5d1 at the time.
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Several things:
1. I understand the need for a mid/high res versions of the 5dIV, but why would Canon adopt a AA/no AA strategy when it was not been effective for Nikon? Carrying the three sku's (not counting kits) creates a significant amount of development, testing marketing, training and inventory overhead.
2. If Canon goes this route, I hope they will create a hardware/software platform that provides a consistent UI and shooting experience for the photographer. You can easily provide a single UI with unique capabilities exposed/grayed out in the menu system. I think a lot of people shoot multiple Canon cameras and would appreciate as much consistency as possible. For example, I would love for Canon to release a new 5dIII firmware update that would incorporate some the 7dII button mapping capabilities (One Shot on the AF-On button and AI Servo on *.
3. At 50+ MP I am assuming I will not need the AA filter for wildlife & landscapes unless Canon fails in some fashion.
1. I understand the need for a mid/high res versions of the 5dIV, but why would Canon adopt a AA/no AA strategy when it was not been effective for Nikon? Carrying the three sku's (not counting kits) creates a significant amount of development, testing marketing, training and inventory overhead.
2. If Canon goes this route, I hope they will create a hardware/software platform that provides a consistent UI and shooting experience for the photographer. You can easily provide a single UI with unique capabilities exposed/grayed out in the menu system. I think a lot of people shoot multiple Canon cameras and would appreciate as much consistency as possible. For example, I would love for Canon to release a new 5dIII firmware update that would incorporate some the 7dII button mapping capabilities (One Shot on the AF-On button and AI Servo on *.
3. At 50+ MP I am assuming I will not need the AA filter for wildlife & landscapes unless Canon fails in some fashion.
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Sounds like a Nikonesque hail Mary kind of move to me, which I'd find surprising from ever conservative and cautious Canon.
I can see a 5D MkIV (updated mid 20's MP) and a 5Ds ( 5D MkIV with new high MP sensor), even a 5Dc (cinema not 'classic', with 4k and all the other stuff people claim to need but at this point is all but unusable or viewable), but I'd be very surprised if they came out with two versions of the high MP sensor with and without an AA filter.
Indeed the 5Ds makes a lot of sense, many 1DS users didn't like the bulk and for much studio and landscape use it wasn't needed.
I can see a 5D MkIV (updated mid 20's MP) and a 5Ds ( 5D MkIV with new high MP sensor), even a 5Dc (cinema not 'classic', with 4k and all the other stuff people claim to need but at this point is all but unusable or viewable), but I'd be very surprised if they came out with two versions of the high MP sensor with and without an AA filter.
Indeed the 5Ds makes a lot of sense, many 1DS users didn't like the bulk and for much studio and landscape use it wasn't needed.
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razbo said:
Sure. Then they'll cripple the HDMI output just like all the others so you cant ever get a truly clean signal to an external 4K Shogun.... This is how they protect the 1DC and Cinema EOS lines. You'll be right back to Magic Lantern, but at 4K there wont be a card big enough to get more than 5 mins of 4k RAW anway since ML only suports internal recording.
Speculation City here today folks! ;D
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DavidA said:
I'm no expert on Nikon gear, but afaik the reason why they don't release an "e" model anymore like with the d800 is because they were *successful* with it and now all models like the d810 have a weak aa filter?
DavidA said:
Canon is big on consistency and user experience, though they have different lines (multicontroller/consumer 70d-6d and pro/joystick 7d2-5d3/1d). If you're missing some fw features, suggest it in their own forum, they might very well incorporate this change in an update.
DavidA said:
In any case, the effect of the removal of the aa filter seems to be overrated and is only important for pixel-peeping some specific scenes - and even *with* an aa filter post-processing sharpening will give you a comparable result.
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This is what, I don't understand, holding to 18-22 MP sensors for almost a decade and than over leap everybody else? What is the purpose of that? Just to exaggerate all the drawbacks of high MP camera? Why not just modest (?) 36-42MP with decent performance, like good buffer, writing speed, FPS etc? Users will fall hard on the reality of lens performance shortcomings, storage and time required to process the files.
Than the system of three models of the same camera suggests that Canon will most likely stick to the philosophy of overpricing for premium technology.
In the end sensor performance will really be the most important factor, if we get the same performance as to date just with double or triple the pixels, no thank you again Canon, I skipped buying Canon gear for few generations already (still keeping lenses), terrible Sony A7r suits me very well...
Than the system of three models of the same camera suggests that Canon will most likely stick to the philosophy of overpricing for premium technology.
In the end sensor performance will really be the most important factor, if we get the same performance as to date just with double or triple the pixels, no thank you again Canon, I skipped buying Canon gear for few generations already (still keeping lenses), terrible Sony A7r suits me very well...
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Sunnystate said:
1. Marketing - you need to be the spec leader to make a splash, and that's that.
2. Tradeoff sensitivity vs. resolution. By going to say ~30mp with the current tech you'll get the *worst* of both worlds, neither medium-format res nor high iso capability. And if you look at the actual image *dimensions*, 22/24/30mp is all a wash, you need to make a real jump for a difference that, well, makes a difference in actual usability.
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PureClassA said:
This is akin to asking for an ND filter that can be switched on/off. AA is an optical filter, not something done electronically.
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