EOS 5D Mark III Replacement Talk [CR2]

[PVS]

In all honesty, no matter how much I love my A7 it still IS an amateur camera. It is probably the best landscape 35mil camera for me but it has nothing to compete with 5DIII. Seriously, why do we compare it here anyway, you can tell from miles away they are completely different species. But if you want to know which one of the two is better all-around tool you really have to be an idiot to choose Sony.

People who keep on complaining they find current Canon's offerings restricting are probably amateurs who won't shell-out that kind of money on camera anyhow, a $1,5k difference between A7 and 5dmk3 is not much of a difference, you can make that money in a week with your photography and keep the 'change' for some primes.

For now I really don't see reason to upgrade from 5Dmk3. The only features that would make me buy next model would be revival of ECF and backlit buttons like on older Nokia phones. Video guys could probably think of something else but for still hardly.

 

[Maiaibing]

Since you bring up uninformed, have you checked their most recent financial information?

I'm sure neither board is particularly pleased given the overall situation in the industry (as the CIPA data show), but Nikon's board has the added displeasure of watching their recent gains in market share erode and the gap between their sales and those of the market leader – a gap they have failed to close for 11 years – begin to widen again.

I actually follow these things very carefully out of a general interest based on my previous business relationship with Canon.

As I have noted several times already I agree that Nikon also must be very unhappy about their 2014 sales. And indeed Nikon is in a much more vulnerable financial situation than Canon.

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I'm ending my participation in this discussion here. My key point - to which I stick - is that Canon cannot be happy with their current DSLR sales and thus should be strongly motivated to regain ground by coming out with a 5DIV that outshines Nikon's D750 and D810.

We will se what Canon brings to market soon. After that we can all let our money do the talking.

Happy Shooting!

 

[Orangutan]

I must confess: not based on financial statements, just guesses pulled out of the aether. The only point I was making was that y/y losses were only relevant in comparison to competitors' financial health and the overall market.

Impressive

Random.

 

[Orangutan]

My key point - to which I stick - is that Canon cannot be happy with their current DSLR sales and thus should be strongly motivated

This applies to all of the manufacturers, not just Canon.

regain ground by coming out with a 5DIV that outshines Nikon's D750 and D810.

The current 5D3 mostly does that now, from the business perspective.

we can all let our money do the talking.

Yup.

Happy Shooting!

Cheers.

 

[Sporgon]

Tend to agree with the comment that a new 5D split into one with, and one without an AA would be very unCanon- like. Canon tend to decide what's good for us and then supply that. And as the effects of a good AA filter can all but be cancelled out in post then it's probably better on balance to have one.

Still think we are going to see an interchaneable Finder. It's been pointed out, correctly, that this type of high end feature has only been seen on the highest model - the 1 series in the past, but in those days we didn't have an upgraded 5 series. I would suggest that the 5DIII was very much the 1Ds IV. Despite the 'crippling' of the 5DII with the 20D/5D AF system, pros still chose this much cheaper camera instead of the 1Ds III on the whole ( which rather says something about the importance these sort of photographers place on AF does it not ?), and in the end Canon seemed to adopt the "if you can't beat them join them" approach and up graded the 5 series, and did so with only a relatively small price increase. So I think that it is possible we will see this feature in a 5DIV, probably the 's' version if that has a 52 mp DPAF sensor, so good focus can be achieved with the interchangeable EVF.

 

[erjlphoto]

the fact that Canon suffered double digit falling DSLR sales in 2012/13 and again in 2013/14.

How did that compare to their competitors?

Blank... if you read my post all the way it continues: "I do not know how Canon is doing measured on market share".

Then why did you write "I expect Canon's board members are seriously unhappy with the fact that Canon suffered double digit falling DSLR sales in 2012/13 and again in 2013/14?" That is an utterly meaningless (even deceptive) statement without comparison to other vendors. If I'm on Canon's board and our DSLR sales drop 15%, but Nikon's and Sony's drop 25% then I'm probably satisfied that the company is doing well.

May I suggest some light reading? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_cycle

Correct you are. A simple google search should have revealed to the poster of that comment that Canon is still the number one interchangeable lens camera manufacturer for the eleventh year running. It's sad the others spread fud to promote another brand. The market is contracting with smart phones taking such good pictures. In a shrinking market quality stands out (my opinion)!

 

[brad-man]

The only part of this rumor that I believe is that there is replacement talk...

 

[PureClassA]

"....and that the small format interchangable lens cameras have made a lot more women buy into interchangable lens cameras."


Yeah, and they all suddenly become "professionals for hire" after one class or YouTube, make business cards , and become the infamous Nikon 3100 w/ kit lens Mom-tographer :

 

[sanj]

Tend to agree with the comment that a new 5D split into one with, and one without an AA would be very unCanon- like. Canon tend to decide what's good for us (them) and then supply that. And as the effects of a good AA filter can all but be cancelled out in post then it's probably better on balance to have one.

Still think we are going to see an interchaneable Finder. It's been pointed out, correctly, that this type of high end feature has only been seen on the highest model - the 1 series in the past, but in those days we didn't have an upgraded 5 series. I would suggest that the 5DIII was very much the 1Ds IV. Despite the 'crippling' of the 5DII with the 20D/5D AF system, pros still chose this much cheaper camera instead of the 1Ds III on the whole ( which rather says something about the importance these sort of photographers place on AF does it not ?), and in the end Canon seemed to adopt the "if you can't beat them join them" approach and up graded the 5 series, and did so with only a relatively small price increase. So I think that it is possible we will see this feature in a 5DIV, probably the 's' version if that has a 52 mp DPAF sensor, so good focus can be achieved with the interchangeable EVF.

 

[sanj]

I bet a kidney and a lung that Canon would never launch such cameras. The with and without AA filter just makes no sense in the whole Canon scheme. It is the same as saying that AA filter is good and bad for your photos and Canon would never assume that they release products that is actually bad.
Also, it creates too much confusion when the customer is deciding which product to buy and will lead too many people to buyer's remorse (if one buys a camera with AA filter, he'll wish he bought the one without AA, and vice versa). Alas, Canon even amalgamated the 1D series into a single camera (no more full frame and APS-H formats, only full frame available now).
Anyone here willing to bet? I'll Fedex my parts if I'm wrong. Next day shipping.

What's your age, alcohol consumption and average daily exercise? We can't bet blindly, this is a spec oriented site.

hahahaha

 

[crashpc]

sanj: didn´t spot this one. But it made my day ROFL!

 

[martti]

I might be mistaken but I remember having seen Canon predicting a 8.5% total growth for 2014 after the third semester figures had arrived. Which would mean beating the market.

 

[Loswr]

Since you bring up uninformed, have you checked their most recent financial information?

I'm sure neither board is particularly pleased given the overall situation in the industry (as the CIPA data show), but Nikon's board has the added displeasure of watching their recent gains in market share erode and the gap between their sales and those of the market leader – a gap they have failed to close for 11 years – begin to widen again.

I actually follow these things very carefully out of a general interest based on my previous business relationship with Canon.

As I have noted several times already I agree that Nikon also must be very unhappy about their 2014 sales. And indeed Nikon is in a much more vulnerable financial situation than Canon.

===

I'm ending my participation in this discussion here. My key point - to which I stick - is that Canon cannot be happy with their current DSLR sales and thus should be strongly motivated to regain ground by coming out with a 5DIV that outshines Nikon's D750 and D810.

The problem isn't your statement, it's the rationale you attach to it. Yes, Canon needs to increase sales and reverse the overall decline in the market, at least insofar as it has affected them. Nikon needs to do the same, but in addition they need to outshine Canon, who they have remained behind consistently (and are now falling further behind).

 

[bdunbar79]

Neuro,

There you go again. Making statements based upon facts and statistics, rather than emotion. Sheesh.

;D

 

[Sporgon]

Tend to agree with the comment that a new 5D split into one with, and one without an AA would be very unCanon- like. Canon tend to decide what's good for us (them) and then supply that. And as the effects of a good AA filter can all but be cancelled out in post then it's probably better on balance to have one.

Still think we are going to see an interchaneable Finder. It's been pointed out, correctly, that this type of high end feature has only been seen on the highest model - the 1 series in the past, but in those days we didn't have an upgraded 5 series. I would suggest that the 5DIII was very much the 1Ds IV. Despite the 'crippling' of the 5DII with the 20D/5D AF system, pros still chose this much cheaper camera instead of the 1Ds III on the whole ( which rather says something about the importance these sort of photographers place on AF does it not ?), and in the end Canon seemed to adopt the "if you can't beat them join them" approach and up graded the 5 series, and did so with only a relatively small price increase. So I think that it is possible we will see this feature in a 5DIV, probably the 's' version if that has a 52 mp DPAF sensor, so good focus can be achieved with the interchangeable EVF.

My wording is ironic, yours is sarcastic

 

[martti]

Who needs more viewfinders when you can shoot tethered with you iPad and even your iPhone? (or the corresponding Android, Win or Mac devices). Now, then if you could have the spread on your tehtering device and see what kind of a shoot you'd need and then shoot it. That would be nice.
Tethering we will need more, that's for sure so why not make it easier and cheaper....

 

[bdunbar79]

Not really. Considering about 30-40% of my income comes from shooting sports, and the A7r SUCKS at shooting sports, I'm perfectly happy with my pair of 1Dx's.

I have to say this is not fair. The A7r and 1Dx are completely different classes. I have a a7s and would never think to take action shots with it as even my old 7D could focus faster. There are advantages to each body. The new a7ii with its 5-axis stabilization AND fast cont. AF is miles ahead of the 1Dx for video, for example.

Completely fair based upon what he said. Did you read what he said? Secondly, it's not a false statement; it does.

Last but not least, I don't care about video. The A7ii will still not track as good as the 1Dx when used in sports, especially with Zone AF or all points active and using auto AF point switch. Not even close.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

I'm trying to think what features I would need in a MkIV and I can't think of any. The MkIII is a totally satisfactory stills camera for me, whereas the 5DII obviously had its shortcomings (AF, banding noise, and the little known internal mirror reflection with 'off-stage' light sources. The latter also occurs with the MkIII but very much less so.

The banding on the 5D3 is about as bad as that on the 5D2. Whilst it is good to hear that the 5D3 meets all of your needs in a stills camera, for others (especially those that have used ML), it does not even come close.

Banding is better at high ISO on the 5D3 than on the 5D2 for sure.
At low ISO it's the same (well I mean only in one direction really badly on the 5D3, but whether one or two is somewhat immaterial as so long as it is there in any direction.... although you could apply anti-banding filters with a bit less damage on the 5D3).

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

Sony has shown what is possible with new sensor technology whilst Canon hasn't updated theirs in many years and so on. That then leads to people defending Canon doing little or nothing in various areas whilst it leaves others exasperated.

Canon as shown what is possible with lens and optical technology, while Sony has done little or nothing in that area. Some people seem to think bare silicon sensors take pictures…

With the metabones adapters, I can put almost any lens on the Sony A7 series. Why should I limit myself to Sony's lenses?

But... but... but... system! system! system!

 

[bdunbar79]

Oh hey! Just with an adapter, Sony can take advantage of all of the advancements Canon has made in their lens lineup. Screw Canon, Sony's better.

;D