EOS 5D Mark IV Testing Has Begun [CR2]

[dak723]

I am on the side that delivers the best photograph. And so far, for me, that has been Canon. Yes, better than the Sony A7 II. High DR means that in extreme conditions you can create a wider range of tones before reaching white or black. More DR, in itself, does not mean a better photograph. The fact that pixel peepers do not understand this is because they are not looking at the entire photograph - they are too busy peeping at pixels. For those looking at photos, Canon does a fine job. For those looking at pixels, Canon lags behind.

And, by the way, most of my photos are landscapes. And in my side-by-side comparisons when I bought the Sony A7 II to compare with (and potentially replace) my Canon 6D, I shot only landscapes. And the Canon took the better shots, in my opinion. So sorry Dilbert.

 

[vscd]

Today I just went out with the kids to make some ridiculous pictures with an old Canon 5D (Mark Zero) and the non-professional lousy 24-85mm 3.5-4.5 (and later an Samyang 14mm).

I could not even read the downside of the airplane against the horrible blown out sun. The lense flares to death and I couldn't focus without liveview on the cam. Must be something wrong with my totally outspecced cam from 2005 and it's somewhat 9 to 11 Stops of DR. :

Who cares... I got a lousy, but moody picture, and what's more important: I was outside and had fun

 

[LukasS]

Today I just went out with the kids to make some ridiculous pictures with an old Canon 5D (Mark Zero) and the non-professional lousy 24-85mm 3.5-4.5 (and later an Samyang 14mm).

Good choice, I've had a photo shoot with a gorgeous model on tuesday and among many nice shots there were around three out of focus that had that WoW factor (light, pose and frame). But I got over it and went to PP other shots .

 

[Don Haines]

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Except that dilbert assures us that everyone who cares about DR has already stopped buying Canon, so clearly Canon's business is suffering because their sensors deliver less low ISO DR. So I guess Canon just doesn't get it, either. : :

Well let me put it to you another way: I don't know anyone that has started out and bought a Canon when landscape photography is their goal. I do know people that have sold out of Canon and bought Nikon or Sony. Canon's existing market share means that there are enough "up-graders" to out sell other brands. It would be interesting to know what the numbers of sales of cameras are to new owners rather to brand-aligned photographers. As someone that shoots neither animals, birds nor sports, the funky AF systems that Canon is delivering are meaningless to me. And to round this out, I'll re-iterate that whilst my first 5 cameras I bought were all Canon, the next one wasn't and it is looking likely that the one after that won't be either.

I think that when people start out, everything is their goal. After they gain experience, they tend to drift towards the aspects that particularly interest them.....

 

[sanj]

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Except that dilbert assures us that everyone who cares about DR has already stopped buying Canon, so clearly Canon's business is suffering because their sensors deliver less low ISO DR. So I guess Canon just doesn't get it, either. : :

Well let me put it to you another way: I don't know anyone that has started out and bought a Canon when landscape photography is their goal. I do know people that have sold out of Canon and bought Nikon or Sony. Canon's existing market share means that there are enough "up-graders" to out sell other brands. It would be interesting to know what the numbers of sales of cameras are to new owners rather to brand-aligned photographers. As someone that shoots neither animals, birds nor sports, the funky AF systems that Canon is delivering are meaningless to me. And to round this out, I'll re-iterate that whilst my first 5 cameras I bought were all Canon, the next one wasn't and it is looking likely that the one after that won't be either.

I think that when people start out, everything is their goal. After they gain experience, they tend to drift towards the aspects that particularly interest them.....

Yep.

 

[LonelyBoy]

And if they don't and someone else does then people that want the convenience of a built in flash or built in SIM slot or swivel screen change brand ... there are lots of people that upload directly to Instagram/facebook.

Right... did you miss the point of my post? Do you think all of that (plus everything else that anyone would ever want) can be implemented in the same camera, keeping it small and light and cheap enough for mainstream users, and done well?

All of what I mentioned? Sure. They're not very far away from it now, in fact, all that is missing on some cameras is the SIM card slot.

Right, so what you're saying is you actually missed my point, because the list was not meant to be all-inclusive. Classic case of missing the forest for the trees - that was not all the features anyone has ever asked for, but the list of what I came up with off the top of my head (and it seems you removed some of them). Canon (and Nikon, and Samsung, and Sony...) can't include every feature everyone would ever want. Acting like they're idiots for leaving out what you want (while including what many others want, and selling lots of cameras) is incredibly myopic.

 

[martti]

Give me Zorki! Give me Jupiter lenses! Tavaritshe! What's wrong with you...Lubitel rules!

 

[Orangutan]

What I don't get is why some of them continually have to defend Canon no matter what, attack anyone who complains about Canon, attack review sites that give Canon unfavorable reviews and bash offerings from the competition at any opportunity. Does anything good come from that?

I've not noticed this, perhaps you could share some examples. What I do notice is that when someone makes inaccurate or overgeneralized statements about the advantages of this or that camera, there's often someone (**cough**Neuro*cough**) to step in and remind them where they went too far. I think it's safe to say that everyone here acknowledges that at low ISO the Sony sensors have better DR and better shadow noise, those are not really points of contention. The differences of opinion are related to (1) under what conditions those advantages are important (e.g. low ISO vs. high ISO, certain lighting conditions); (2) whether there are other cases when Canon sensors render a better image (some have stated they prefer Canon skin tones);(3) the trade-offs needed to get that low ISO advantage (e.g. QA problems, poor service, falling behind in lenses).

I don't think anyone questions the assertion that Canon sensors can be improved in some areas; the question each person has to answer is whether the kit they have serves their needs or if it's worthwhile to accept the expense / trouble of switching or expanding the kit. What I do find offensive is when people harp so hard on low-ISO DR that I feel they're trying to tell me I'm too stupid to make my own decisions. I know the limitations of my gear, and can make those decisions for myself.

 

[Loswr]

I know the limitations of my gear, and can make those decisions for myself.

Yes, but clearly you can't make them properly, otherwise you'd have already ditched Canon for the vastly superior IQ of an Exmor-based system. That's what all right-thinking picture takers have already done. You can tell that just by looking at the market share. 8)

 

[Maiaibing]

The 5D Mark III outsold the D800/E so it wasn't a larger concern for most shooters, even professionals.

This is a very interesting claim. Can you please share the numbers? As far as I know these sales have never been released. We are very many who would like to see them.

 

[dolina]

The 5D Mark III outsold the D800/E so it wasn't a larger concern for most shooters, even professionals.

This is a very interesting claim. Can you please share the numbers? As far as I know these sales have never been released. We are very many who would like to see them.

I think the assumption is based on conjecture that the appeal of Canon's video feature will improve sales of the camera over the Nikon equivalent.

I dont even expect the 5DS or 5DS R to outsell the D810 because of the prohibitive pricing. Nearly $1,000 more for more pixels.

 

[cristianaurel]

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[meywd]

I've heard that the Canon 5D Mark IV changed the name in SONY A7R II and the Canon lens work perfect on that body. Anyone can help with more details? New Sony body and the poor quality of image will make Canon body looks like Titanic end.

did you hear that from the press release?

 

[caMARYnon]

I've heard that the Canon 5D Mark IV changed the name in SONY A7R II and the Canon lens work perfect on that body. Anyone can help with more details? New Sony body and the poor quality of image will make Canon body looks like Titanic end.

Esti foarte tare! Pentru astea trei propozitii te-ai chinuit sa-ti faci cont pe un site specializat canon ? ;D

 

[bdunbar79]

The 5D Mark III outsold the D800/E so it wasn't a larger concern for most shooters, even professionals.

This is a very interesting claim. Can you please share the numbers? As far as I know these sales have never been released. We are very many who would like to see them.

You're right. I went off amazon.com sales data, which is public. Of course not all buyers went there to purchase it, but I thought it might be a good overall representation of sales distribution and would mirror the market, FAIRLY well.

 

[Maiaibing]

I went off amazon.com sales data, which is public. Of course not all buyers went there to purchase it, but I thought it might be a good overall representation of sales distribution and would mirror the market, FAIRLY well.

Unfortunately not. Also, global sales do not follow US sales. Kakaku.com (Japan) gives us some guidance on the Japanese market (actually capturing a far wider market share than amazon.com in the US but in a far smaller market place). But again limited. EU camera body sales (largest of the three markets) info is really difficult to find. And what is rest of Asia buying?

Normally we should expect a Canon 5x to outsell a Nikon 8xx on the user basis alone. But the year the 800 and 5DIII were released Nikon's I/DSLR sales fared better (relatively) to Canon's. Since high end sales are much lower than consumer grade sales we do not know what roles the 5DIII and D800/E played in all this - if any.

I also guess 5DIII is selling better - especially because meanwhile there's a D810 out. But it remains an assumption.