EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’re told that the Canon EOS 6D Mark II is slated for release in the first half of 2017. Just like the EOS 5D Mark IV, solid specification information is extremely hard to come by. We are told that the new full frame DSLR will have it’s own sensor, just like the EOS 6D. Beyond that, very little is known. I mention this as there has been some speculation that we’d see a 6D replacement this year, and that’s just not the case.</p>
<p>We’re also told by the same person that Canon will introduce a “new nameplate” to the EOS DSLR lineup. The camera will not be one of the prototypes Canon has shown off during the last year or so.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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[Chaitanya]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

for 6D mk II: good 4K video, dpaf, titling touchscreen , dual sd card slots and decent af module are must. else its going to another boring upgrade in a shrinking market.

other camera should be interesting watch.

 

[Loswr]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

...Canon will introduce a “new nameplate” to the EOS DSLR lineup.

If it's a 4D, it will herald the death of the dSLR.

 

[IglooEater]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

A new nameplate? Like a prosumer mirrorless option? maybe an 8D or a 4D. Here's to hoping it's fullframe

 

[aceflibble]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

The 6D was made to counter high second hand sale rate of the 5D2, by exchanging some build quality for better image quality at the same price point. So I would expect a 6D2 would be made to counter potential second hand sales of 5D3 after the 5D4 is released, in the same way; take the 5D3, probably improve its noise at higher ISOs a little bit, give it a weaker shell, badge it as the 6D2 and you're good to go. Now, instead of buying the 5D3s which will flood the market when people upgrade to the 5D4, potential second hand buyers may be swayed into buying a new body instead, which is a lot better for Canon despite how little profit is made on bodies.

I very much doubt that a 6D2 would get things like 4k video and other such features which Canon will undoubtably want to be selling points of the 5D4. There is no way Canon would release a 6D2 camera which could compete significantly with the 5D4.

 

[j-nord]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

4D - Mpix monster with similar sensor performance to the 5DIV, light on video features, 5fps, flippy tilt screen, basically a 5DS/R replacement, AA cancelation filter

5DIV - All rounder with good video capabilities, AA filter

6DII - budget FF - probably significantly lacking of video features but possibly better sensor than 5DIV, 5 fps, small buffer, moderate improvement in AF over the mki, +/- a few m-pix of the 5DIV, touch screen, tilt screen, AA filter


In this scenario the 5DIV competes more with the D750 and the 4D with the D810

 

[retroreflection]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

New nameplate. Must be a [number]D, right?
Such eurocentric patriarchal narrow mindedness!
Greek character? Too Sony.
Cyrillic, Arabic, Kanji,..? Still to narrow.
Emoji is the global culture answer.

You have at least six months to argue about which emoji.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017


None of this rumor about the 6D2 is surprising. This all but confirms a fall launch of the 5D4.

As many (including myself) have stated, Canon is giving its higher price point rigs the spotlight for a window of time and then the next rig down gets announced, and then the next next rig down will be announced. Makes perfect sense: 1DX2 won't have a side by side less expensive 5D4 to opt for at launch, and the 5D4 won't have a side by side less expensive 6D2 to opt for at launch.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

As far as the 'new nameplate' -- yawn, that's just a name.

The new product line that will receive that name, however, is the sexy bit.

What do we think it is that wouldn't naturally fall under the Cinema / 1DX# / 5DS / 5D# / 6D# / 7D# / #0D product lines?

FF mirrorless?
A return to high-res sensors in 1D-style bodies?
A consumer videocam (not videocentric, I mean a dedicated video rig) with an EF or EF-S mount?
A sports / life-blogging / 'hey world look at me' video platform a la Go Pro?

(Post corrected: the admin said it will be a DSLR.)

#daydreaming :

- A

 

[privatebydesign]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Lets have the 1Ds back please.

Stick the 5DSR sensor in the 1DX MkII body and take my money..........

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

5DS/R should get a rename. It's not in the same class as the 5D anymore, it's a megapixel monster target audience, not general use, my opinion. What are you going to call the already demo'd 120MP FF 5D? 5DSRII? Too many letters, and it's created it's own segment, IE landscape shooters. Call it 8D, 4D, etc.

This has been covered elsewhere. The 5DS downsamples brilliantly to fight high iso noise well, and since Canon had the wisdom to put two chips in it, it still pops out a serviceable 5 fps despite the 50 MP. I argue it's a general purpose rig if you want it to be.

But I do agree -- the naming was a silly call, probably to argue for the prestige-level and price of a 5D# rig without offending 5D3 owners who don't value resolution so highly if they had called it a 4D and implied resolution made it better.

It's a tough branding line to walk, but I sort of get it. I still think a new letter solves that:

1DX = High FPS + great high ISO + grip
1D@ = High MP + grip (I still think this is money left on the table by Canon, people want this)
5D = Good fps + great high ISO + no grip
5D@ = High MP + no grip

@ = choose whatever letter you want, just not 's' b/c of the old 1Ds rigs.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Lets have the 1Ds back please.

Stick the 5DSR sensor in the 1DX MkII body and take my money..........

You beat me to it.

- A

 

[Ryananthony]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

Lets have the 1Ds back please.

Stick the 5DSR sensor in the 1DX MkII body and take my money..........

Yes please.

 

[Ozarker]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

<p>We’re also told by the same person that Canon will introduce a “new nameplate” to the EOS DSLR lineup. The camera will not be one of the prototypes Canon has shown off during the last year or so.</p>
<p><em>More to come…</em></p>
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5DX, or 4DX, or 3DX, or 2DX 8)

 

[PhotographyFirst]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I will bet my left nut (stage left) that Canon is working on a full frame Rebel style camera. Even the 6D at such a low price point could have many aspects of its expense shaved off. The 6D sensor has probably paid for itself already and would be a cheapish shoe-in for a FF Rebel.

I think the market for Canon needs to get back to where it was when the first film Rebel came out in the 90's. If you wanted a compact system, you just had to get slower FF lenses which are pretty small. When equivalence is taken into account, the sensor size between APS-C and FF doesn't make much difference. Where it does make a difference, is that it creates a barrier of clear entry for people moving from APS-C to FF. Back in the day, someone with a cheap-as-hell film Rebel could get the same image quality and use out of FF lenses as the more expensive cameras. Upgrading the system was easy for both lenses and bodies.

If FF sensor costs have gone down enough, even if using the previous generation of tech, I could see Canon making a long-term move to phase out APS-C DSLR cameras and relegate it to the M system, which needs it's own lenses anyways.

 

[captainkanji]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

4K - Couldn't care less.

As a current 6D owner, I want fantastic IQ I can afford. I think the 6D II must have the following for me to upgrade:

-Noticeably improved image quality at higher ISOs

-Improved auto focusing
(the person who approved the AF in the current 6D needs to do the walk of shame through Kings Landing)

-A little bit more DR always helps, but as long as it isn't worse than now.

Another option is for me to keep my 6D and get a 5DS/R.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

I will bet my left nut (stage left) that Canon is working on a full frame Rebel style camera. Even the 6D at such a low price point could have many aspects of its expense shaved off. The 6D sensor has probably paid for itself already and would be a cheapish shoe-in for a FF Rebel.

A stripped down FF rig for $999-$1,199 (when you consider you can get a 6D new for $1399 or so) is possible, I suppose, but consider:

1) I don't know how you can strip down a new rig more than the 6D already is stripped down -- it only has 11 AF points after all. I suppose you could drop the wifi, gps, etc. and put the button layout on a diet much like in comparing a Rebel to an 80D.

2) They'd need more cheaper EF zooms. On the 70/75-300 side, there are budget options aplenty, but on standard zooms and UWA zooms, good luck. Other than the aging and iffy 28-135 IS USM, no Canon EF zoom that covers any part of 16-70mm costs less than $599. I think you need a cheap EF-S 10-18 and EF-S 18-55 equivalent for FF for this idea to work.

3) You could get 5x the camera for that same money in crop. That would buy you a very nicely featured 80D, loaded full of tech.

So an FF dirt-cheap rig screams enthusiast only to me, and even then it seems a bit niche. Canon would do well to leave that for the smaller sensored folks like Olympus or Panasonic to reach up and snatch a buck, I think.

- A

 

[mnclayshooter]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

As far as the 'new nameplate' -- yawn, that's just a name.

The new product line that will receive that name, however, is the sexy bit.

What do we think it is that wouldn't naturally fall under the Cinema / 1DX# / 5DS / 5D# / 6D# / 7D# / #0D product lines?

FF mirrorless?
A return to high-res sensors in 1D-style bodies?
A consumer videocam (not videocentric, I mean a dedicated video rig) with an EF or EF-S mount?
A sports / life-blogging / 'hey world look at me' video platform a la Go Pro?

(Post corrected: the admin said it will be a DSLR.)

#daydreaming :

- A

My prediction:

It will be RADICALLY different... given the popularity of "stylized" photography using "app" color/style filters... I predict it will top all expectations by being 1Dx size body with EF mount, but a tiny sketch artist inside pumping out polaroid-sized sketches of the scenes captured.

 

[ahsanford]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

-Improved auto focusing
(the person who approved the AF in the current 6D needs to do the walk of shame through Kings Landing)

Yes -- offering only 11 AF points for an initial asking price of $2,099 seems criminal. But in fairness, the only options then were $3k rigs like the 5D3 or D800, so part of that $2,099 price was a cover charge to get into the FF club.

But now, yikes, FF rigs are everywhere -- Pentax, Sony, etc. -- including the dead husks of older A7 models you can get for a song. Canon's ability to demand $2k for a 'reasonably priced' FF rig (even if it goes upmarket) needs to be backstopped with tech, features, options, etc. you can't get elsewhere. Their job will be far far harder commanding a similar price this go-round.

- A

 

[Pebbles]

Re: EOS 6D Mark II & New DSLR Body in 2017

All this innovation is leaving me dizzy. First two new video creator kits and now possibly a new nameplate somewhere next year. While other companies waste time improving sensors, Canon are leaving them far behind.