EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
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windsorc said:
Ahh, but the real money is in lens sales. While there will always be throttled feature sets for up-sell within a brand, the real concern is to lose sales to other competitors. Canon knows this, and I don't believe there will be a significant premium in price for the next-gen 6D.
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If it means natural and crisp 1080p and 4k video with the basic focusing and exposure aids for video and 6fps decently high MP for the 5D4 without crippling then it sounds all good to me.
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If they want the FF stuff to sell in the future a lot, they maybe better get some new sensor fab though.
7D2 can away without that, not as sure about the FF stuff, maybe a budget 6D could but an upgraded 6D at more cost and 5 series not so sure.
7D2 can away without that, not as sure about the FF stuff, maybe a budget 6D could but an upgraded 6D at more cost and 5 series not so sure.
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Speculation is fun. ;D
Just one other variable I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential for a new multi-layered sensor. Just one other feature Canon could distinguish between the different bodies. Something like:
Also, earlier I saw reference to that fact that computing power has caught up with to allow higher MP files. Perhaps, but my 5DIII files would routinely max out my quad core in LR. I just upgraded to an 8 core processor which now handles everything with ease. I have no interest in trying to max it out again. A modest bump in MP would be appreciated, say 24-28 MP...but more would actually deter me from upgrading. I would much prefer better high ISO performance.
Just one other variable I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential for a new multi-layered sensor. Just one other feature Canon could distinguish between the different bodies. Something like:
- 1DXII: Multi layered
- 1DXIIs/3D/5DIVs: Multi layered-high MP
- 5DIV: Multi layered
- 6D: Better AF, but FF CMOS sensor
Also, earlier I saw reference to that fact that computing power has caught up with to allow higher MP files. Perhaps, but my 5DIII files would routinely max out my quad core in LR. I just upgraded to an 8 core processor which now handles everything with ease. I have no interest in trying to max it out again. A modest bump in MP would be appreciated, say 24-28 MP...but more would actually deter me from upgrading. I would much prefer better high ISO performance.
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Nethawk said:
No the real money is in Rebel kits, and whilst I am no corporate adviser and I hate when people proclaim what Canon 'need' to do, I would venture that they do need to keep the Asian Rebel/entry market happy and buoyant with new and better mirrorless cameras. The USA and European market can be fobbed off with 6D/5D iterations for years, the Asian and expanding markets will not put up with sub par mirrorless cameras.
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It seems nobody is ever happy with a camera these days. The 6D is a solid camera! Remember it's competitor, the D600? The only reason the D610 and D810 exist right now is because the D600 and D800 had major issues with dust and oil spots. There was a class action lawsuit against Nikon because of it!
The 24-105mm is a great kit lens! I've loaned my 6D and 5DIII to Nikon users and they rave about the quality of that lens compared to theirs. I've already used the 7DII and it's incredible. It will sell very well for it's intended uses.
People always want more but then complain about price, storage space, etc. The truth is, if you can't take a good picture with a 6D you're not a good photographer.
The 24-105mm is a great kit lens! I've loaned my 6D and 5DIII to Nikon users and they rave about the quality of that lens compared to theirs. I've already used the 7DII and it's incredible. It will sell very well for it's intended uses.
People always want more but then complain about price, storage space, etc. The truth is, if you can't take a good picture with a 6D you're not a good photographer.
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privatebydesign said:
Maybe. But what no one knows is whether the Asian and expanding markets are "leading" or "trailing." People assume that the markets where mirrorless bodies are popular are on the front end of the technology trends. But, we don't know that.
Trends and fashions change. It is very possible that after a few years of playing with small mirrorless cameras, Asian customers, especially in China where the economy and middle-class is still growing, will trade in their little mirrorless toys for "big boy and girl" DSLRs. Like customers in Europe and the Americas, they may find that if they want to shoot sports, wildlife and birds it's a lot easier to do that with a DSLR.
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unfocused said:
I doubt it, it ends up being about the tech you grow with and that gets the job done. Think India and mobile phones, they are vastly more ubiquitous and useful than landlines, thought the connection quality often isn't 'as good' that will change too.
In truth there is no overriding reason to still be tied to the SLR design, especially for the introductory range and even above, and if you never used one the issues they present become glaring, as opposed to 'us' who started with the design and see mirrorless as the tech left wanting.
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I see this is your first post, welcome to the forum.Notorious said:
Your last statement could come off sounding a bit incendiary. I hope you're not trolling. Anyway, in response to that...
The 6D, while completely capable of capturing beautiful images, has some serious limitations for certain types of photography. That is not to say it is a bad camera, just better suited to other types of photography. Where another camera is better suited to the situation, it is better to use the alternative rather than the 6D. When you use the right tool for the job, work tends to be a lot easier. e.g. Would you prefer to dig a 50 yard ditch with a spade or with a Caterpillar TLB. Both will get the job done but at a different cost.
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unfocused said:
How many people want to shoot "sports, wildlife and birds." I don't and none of my friends do. YMMV.
The world is changing, and fewer and fewer people are impressed with the size of your lens.
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Notorious said:
+1 ... BUT that statement might make you a DSLR snob unenlightened in the ways of mirrorless and possibly unsympathetic to those who cannot afford the 6D and/or somebody will retort that if you cannot take a good picture with a (pick any one pocket camera made in last 4 years) that you aren't a good photographer ...
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I am not an expert in how many units Canon thinks it needs to sell on a particular model before it is successful. I'm not a pro making a living at photography. Apparently if that is what Canon is saying about their 6D, and they now plan on making an improved for more money, they will. They will, no matter how we feel they should go about that, or not go about it. It really would be nice if they read this and other forums to get an idea what to do next though!
In my personal opinion as a hobbyist, the Canon 6D is well worth the money for what it was intended to do, "entry level" full frame (not sports). I used a 7D for landscape photography for a couple of years, because that's all I had at the time (I originally bought it for action). The 7D worked for landscape, because I used it! When I saw the performance of the 6D for landscape photography and compared to the 5DIII, I immediately bought my 6D and have been over joyed by the performance. I was happy I didn't waste my money on the 5DIII, on features that wouldn't get me any better of an image my 6D would (of course if I was handed a 5DIII for same money I would take it over 6D).
This weekend I found myself wanting to shoot action for my growing old dog, in the water. All I had in my hands was my 6D, because I gave my 7D away to a relative. I used the 6D and it worked! I'm not saying it worked as well as I wanted it to, and I even cringed when I was about to try it out for action. But it's a camera and it could take a picture of an action shot with the right settings, lens, determination and patience. https://www.flickr.com/photos/1and0hound/14908192883/in/photostream/
So what ever Canon decides to do next, keep, sell and buy, or buy the camera that best suites you for your needs. But don't let it stop you from using it for something you didn't think it was intended for, because you got stuck in a bracket of low end, or middle. You might be surprised at the end result
BTW I can't wait for my 7DII that is pre-ordered, and yes I wish it had 4K...
In my personal opinion as a hobbyist, the Canon 6D is well worth the money for what it was intended to do, "entry level" full frame (not sports). I used a 7D for landscape photography for a couple of years, because that's all I had at the time (I originally bought it for action). The 7D worked for landscape, because I used it! When I saw the performance of the 6D for landscape photography and compared to the 5DIII, I immediately bought my 6D and have been over joyed by the performance. I was happy I didn't waste my money on the 5DIII, on features that wouldn't get me any better of an image my 6D would (of course if I was handed a 5DIII for same money I would take it over 6D).
This weekend I found myself wanting to shoot action for my growing old dog, in the water. All I had in my hands was my 6D, because I gave my 7D away to a relative. I used the 6D and it worked! I'm not saying it worked as well as I wanted it to, and I even cringed when I was about to try it out for action. But it's a camera and it could take a picture of an action shot with the right settings, lens, determination and patience. https://www.flickr.com/photos/1and0hound/14908192883/in/photostream/
So what ever Canon decides to do next, keep, sell and buy, or buy the camera that best suites you for your needs. But don't let it stop you from using it for something you didn't think it was intended for, because you got stuck in a bracket of low end, or middle. You might be surprised at the end result
BTW I can't wait for my 7DII that is pre-ordered, and yes I wish it had 4K...
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StudentOfLight said:
Sure, a better AF system would be better for sports, but I'd hardly call it seriously limited. I've used a 6D to shoot sports (basketball), birds in flight, landscapes, panos, portrait work, etc., and it did a reasonably good job at all of them.
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