EOS 70D a New Benchmark in ISO Performance?

[whothafunk]

Where exactly was stated or who said, that 70D will set a new benchmark for High ISO? ..

 

[jebrady03]

Where exactly was stated or who said, that 70D will set a new benchmark for High ISO? ..

Yeah, I came back to this thread wondering the same thing. I haven't seen anything in any of the announcements, hands-on previews, etc., that addresses ISO performance being better than before.

Anyone have any info I may have missed?

 

[whothafunk]

We couldn’t put a card in the camera because it is a pre-production unit. With that said, we were told to expect comparable ISO performance with the 7D and better color due to the new pixel structure.

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/07/02/first-impressions-canon-70d/

quite a bummer, but I guess expectable?

 

[jebrady03]

Thanks!
Obviously this part of the 70D rumor mill was way off.

 

[sarakoth]

Well with everything I have seen, it really will come down to IQ in comparison to the 6D for me.. I like pretty much all the features of the 70D over the 6D, especially the better AF it seems, but need to see actual tests and comparisons of the final IQ.. I expect the 6D to be better beign FF, but not by too much and I could live with that for the other features and price saving... if that is the case then I will be happy with a 70D as an upgrade from my aging 500D. If the IQ is not up to par then I guess I will have to wait for the 7D2 and see just how ridiculous the price is and again see if the 7D2 IQ matches or even exceeds the 6D.

 

[M.ST]

Yes wait for the 7D Mark II.

If the 7D Mark II hit the market, the price you pay for a 5D Mark III or 6D is absolutely a shame compared to the possibilities of the new 7D Mark II. Not every hobby photographers needs a FF camera.

 

[MichaelHodges]

Interesting news on a potential new sensor, but I'm mostly interested in noise and DR performance at low ISO RAW.

That's the biggest weakness of my 7D, which is otherwise quite good.


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[tesign]

Seem like there is no mention of the 70D having weather sealing.

 

[whothafunk]

it does have weather sealing to some degree

 

[Dick]

it does have weather sealing to some degree

Everything does... to some degree.

 

[Mark D5 TEAM II]

We couldn’t put a card in the camera because it is a pre-production unit. With that said, we were told to expect comparable ISO performance with the 7D and better color due to the new pixel structure.

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/07/02/first-impressions-canon-70d/

quite a bummer, but I guess expectable?

There isn’t much in terms of controls here, but you should note that there is an AF assist beam, lens release, and the shutter button.

I stopped reading that "preview" when I saw that line. Lulz. Obvious non Canon DSLR user 2 weeks ago...

 

[verysimplejason]

If it can perform well at least until ISO 6400 (raw), I'm sold. A little bit DR would also help. I hope it can perform at least 1 stop below 6D. That would be my dream.

 

[Loswr]

Seem like there is no mention of the 70D having weather sealing.

Seems you just missed it being mentioned several times in several places.

Same sealing as 60D (1-series >> 5DIII = 7D > 70D = 60D = 50D = 5DII).

 

[robbinzo]

Where exactly was stated or who said, that 70D will set a new benchmark for High ISO? ..

Maybe this:

"The EOS 70D sensor has been manufactured using new materials in the colour filter, which enables the camera to achieve higher light transmittance. When combined with improved transistors inside the pixels, the EOS 70D is able to shoot at higher ISO speeds than previous models, whilst ensuring advanced image quality."

http://www.eos-magazine.com/EOS%20digital%20cameras/EOS%20system/Digital%20cameras/EOS%2070D/eos70d.html

 

[AlanF]

Well with everything I have seen, it really will come down to IQ in comparison to the 6D for me.. I like pretty much all the features of the 70D over the 6D, especially the better AF it seems, but need to see actual tests and comparisons of the final IQ.. I expect the 6D to be better beign FF, but not by too much and I could live with that for the other features and price saving... if that is the case then I will be happy with a 70D as an upgrade from my aging 500D. If the IQ is not up to par then I guess I will have to wait for the 7D2 and see just how ridiculous the price is and again see if the 7D2 IQ matches or even exceeds the 6D.

The AF consistency of the 7D is poor, as shown by Focal, Lensrental etc (and in my own experience) whereas the 6D has very consistent focus. So, unless they have improved the 7D 19-point system, the 6D should be better, despite the fewer points.

 

[tron]

Where exactly was stated or who said, that 70D will set a new benchmark for High ISO? ..

Maybe this:

"The EOS 70D sensor has been manufactured using new materials in the colour filter, which enables the camera to achieve higher light transmittance. When combined with improved transistors inside the pixels, the EOS 70D is able to shoot at higher ISO speeds than previous models, whilst ensuring advanced image quality."

http://www.eos-magazine.com/EOS%20digital%20cameras/EOS%20system/Digital%20cameras/EOS%2070D/eos70d.html

This is a rather vague description. It doesn't say anything specific.

For example: Raw files, ISO xxx of 70D = Raw files ISO yyy of another Canon camera

Anything else is marketing BS!

 

[Loswr]

Where exactly was stated or who said, that 70D will set a new benchmark for High ISO? ..

Maybe this:

"The EOS 70D sensor has been manufactured using new materials in the colour filter, which enables the camera to achieve higher light transmittance. When combined with improved transistors inside the pixels, the EOS 70D is able to shoot at higher ISO speeds than previous models, whilst ensuring advanced image quality."

http://www.eos-magazine.com/EOS%20digital%20cameras/EOS%20system/Digital%20cameras/EOS%2070D/eos70d.html

This is a rather vague description. It doesn't say anything specific.

For example: Raw files, ISO xxx of 70D = Raw files ISO yyy of another Canon camera

Anything else is marketing BS!

Au contraire...it's quite specific, and unassailable truth. Let's break it down:

1) new CFA materials with higher transmittance, and new circuitry - ok, we have to take Canon's word on that, but why would they lie? And if the new CFA materials lower production costs and just happen to have higher transmittance as a side effect, that's all good.

2) the 70D is able to shoot at higher ISOs than previous models - it's spec is 100-12800 with one stop expanded, and the 60D is 100-6400 with one stop expanded, so that's true

3) it has advanced IQ - can be said of all current dSLRs, so that's true as well

See, that's the essence of marketing speak - be very specific and make accurate statements, whilst not really saying anything meaningful.

BS by any other name... :

 

[tron]

Where exactly was stated or who said, that 70D will set a new benchmark for High ISO? ..

Maybe this:

"The EOS 70D sensor has been manufactured using new materials in the colour filter, which enables the camera to achieve higher light transmittance. When combined with improved transistors inside the pixels, the EOS 70D is able to shoot at higher ISO speeds than previous models, whilst ensuring advanced image quality."

http://www.eos-magazine.com/EOS%20digital%20cameras/EOS%20system/Digital%20cameras/EOS%2070D/eos70d.html

This is a rather vague description. It doesn't say anything specific.

For example: Raw files, ISO xxx of 70D = Raw files ISO yyy of another Canon camera

Anything else is marketing BS!

Au contraire...it's quite specific, and unassailable truth. Let's break it down:

1) new CFA materials with higher transmittance, and new circuitry - ok, we have to take Canon's word on that, but why would they lie? And if the new CFA materials lower production costs and just happen to have higher transmittance as a side effect, that's all good.

2) the 70D is able to shoot at higher ISOs than previous models - it's spec is 100-12800 with one stop expanded, and the 60D is 100-6400 with one stop expanded, so that's true

3) it has advanced IQ - can be said of all current dSLRs, so that's true as well

See, that's the essence of marketing speak - be very specific and make accurate statements, whilst not really saying anything meaningful.

BS by any other name... :

I am talking about ISO which is this thread's title.

Are we sure that Raw ISO 12800 performance of 70D = Raw ISO 6400 performance of 60D for example?

This is only the part I was criticizing and yes improved ISO performance is good for all of us so I do wish there will be. It is just that I will have to see something concrete to believe it...

 

[deleteme]

As has been said before, the introduction of the 70D is very exciting, particularly the clues it offers to the upcoming 7D2. Remember, canon said the 7D2 will be "ground breaking", not the 70D.... So whatever happens with the 70D is not " groundbreaking"...

I'm not going to pin too much hope on the "groundbreaking." I suspect that for competitive reasons Canon elected to announce the 70D before the 7DII since Nikon has been dragging their feet on the D300S replacement. I expect the two bodies to share the same sensor.

If this new sensor offers a stop or two improvement in noise and they couple that with a 5DIII-style autofocus, dual card slots, the same or better frame rate, retain the joystick and other controls and beef up the weathersealing, it will be one heck of a camera and they'll get my money.

IMO the "groundbreaking" aspect of the 7D2 will be an EVF.

 

[whothafunk]

We couldn’t put a card in the camera because it is a pre-production unit. With that said, we were told to expect comparable ISO performance with the 7D and better color due to the new pixel structure.

http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/07/02/first-impressions-canon-70d/

quite a bummer, but I guess expectable?

There isn’t much in terms of controls here, but you should note that there is an AF assist beam, lens release, and the shutter button.

I stopped reading that "preview" when I saw that line. Lulz. Obvious non Canon DSLR user 2 weeks ago...

I didn't go through the whole preview, just the ISO part as this link and the quote was posted on POTN forum. I just forward it here, as it was the only source (rumor) saying something about the ISO. Nothing wrong with that, since CRumors welcomes all rumors they can get, no?