EOS 7D Replacement Coming for CP+? [CR1]

[Don Haines]

I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D

WELL SAID!

 

[ScottyP]

I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D

WELL SAID!

Correct. It has to be. If they don't have a truly new and better sensor they need to wait until they do. An extra couple fps is not enough improvement to justify the upgrade. Nor is improved AF alone, since the AF was already pretty good.

Improved high ISO performance is what would set it apart. Improved DR would also get noticed. I hope we see some of that.

 

[Richard8971]

Look at your current equipment list, and be happy with what you have...

I couldn't agree more. Of course I am anxious to see what Canon will come out with if they decide to replace the 7D, but I am really happy with my current 7.

Unless something happens to my camera, I don't plan on buying a new camera anytime soon, even if the 7D2 comes out in the next few months. There isn't a camera body that's currently better than my 7D for the money.

Even if something does happen to my 7D, replacement bodies are cheap right now and will be even cheaper if and when the 7D2 comes out. I will probably be shooting with this camera for quite some time.

D

 

[Don Haines]

I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D

WELL SAID!

Correct. It has to be. If they don't have a truly new and better sensor they need to wait until they do. An extra couple fps is not enough improvement to justify the upgrade. Nor is improved AF alone, since the AF was already pretty good.

Improved high ISO performance is what would set it apart. Improved DR would also get noticed. I hope we see some of that.

I really hope it is a new sensor.... the old sensor design is subject to ghosting...

 

[jrista]

I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D

WELL SAID!

Correct. It has to be. If they don't have a truly new and better sensor they need to wait until they do. An extra couple fps is not enough improvement to justify the upgrade. Nor is improved AF alone, since the AF was already pretty good.

Improved high ISO performance is what would set it apart. Improved DR would also get noticed. I hope we see some of that.

Totally agree. The 7D II needs to be more than a mediocre evolution...it needs to contain a little bit of revolution! 8)

 

[starship]

EOS 7D Replacement: it needs a far better sensor-quality than the 7d,70d,60d...

i will buy a new 7D if it´s sensor has...


... a minimum of 1/2ev better (raw-) high-iso performance (compared to all that 7d,70d,60d,700d,600d,550d sensors)
... 2+ ev better dynamic range
... 20-24 mpix


in other words: ... the sensor has to have at least the quality of the current nikon/sony dslrs

i won´t buy any new 7D with a raw-image-quality of all the (more ore less) same 7d, 70d, 60d, 700d, 600d, 550d sensor-design, canon is offering since 2009.

 

[jrista]

Re: EOS 7D Replacement: it needs a far better sensor-quality than the 7d,70d,60d...

i will buy a new 7D if it´s sensor has...


... a minimum of 1/2ev better (raw-) high-iso performance (compared to all that 7d,70d,60d,700d,600d,550d sensors)
... 2+ ev better dynamic range
... 20-24 mpix


in other words: ... the sensor has to have at least the quality of the current nikon/sony dslrs

i won´t buy any new 7D with an raw-image-quality of all the (more ore less) same 7d, 70d, 60d, 700d, 600d, 550d sensor-design, canon is offering since 2009.

From another site:

Some info of upcoming 7D Mark II:

Speed, AF and high ISO performance will be improved.
Solidly built
Image sensor: over 20 MP
Several models still being tested

No mention of more DR, sadly. Sounds like all the rest of the things on your list, however, should make it.

I suspect we won't see improved DR until the big megapixel camera. Not sure why, but for some reason I don't see that making it'ts way into the 7D II first...given that the 7D II is primarily an action shooter's camera, which means most users would be using higher ISO more so than low ISO. Outside of doubling the 7D II's Q.E., it's also unlikely we'll see a massive improvement in noise quality with the 7D II. I suspect a moderate improvement, along with a full stop higher native ISO (12800 native, 25600 and maybe 51200 expanded.)

One of the things I'm very curious about with the 7D II is how strong it's AA filter will be. I like AA filters. I don't like them to be too weak, however I guess the 7D II could withstand a slightly weaker AA filter than the 7D, and not suffer too much from moire. I certainly hope it does NOT drop the AA filter...IMO, that would ruin it for one of it's primary use cases: bird photography. Bird feathers are about the most supreme way to create interference patterns on the face of the planet.

 

[Chaitanya]

This was a long wait. I hope Canon adds improved AF unit and a dual memory card slot. I really don't care about Megapixels or video features as most of times I only shoot Macro and birds.

 

[Marauder]

I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D

WELL SAID!

Correct. It has to be. If they don't have a truly new and better sensor they need to wait until they do. An extra couple fps is not enough improvement to justify the upgrade. Nor is improved AF alone, since the AF was already pretty good.

Improved high ISO performance is what would set it apart. Improved DR would also get noticed. I hope we see some of that.

Totally agree. The 7D II needs to be more than a mediocre evolution...it needs to contain a little bit of revolution! 8)

Exactly. And there was a rumour sometime ago that the 7D II sensor was going to be a major upgrade to noise reduction compared to previous generations. That being said, I think we naturally do need to keep realistic expectations. I certainly don't expect it to match the 5D III or the 6D in that regard, and I don't know if it will even come close to the 5D II for that matter. Full-frame is king when it comes to noise performance. But the comparisons I've seen between the 70D and the 7D on a couple of threads show that the former handily outperforms the latter in terms of noise performance, and I'd like to see that trend continued even further. Many reviews appear to indicate that the D7100 slightly outperforms the 70D in noise performance, so at least matching the competition's APS-C sensors should be a definite goal. Still, it's the improved AF that most interests me. My current 7D really hits the AF at times, but at other times, it's just slightly out, especially in Servo with BIF. Frustrating when you can see that your AF point was right where you wanted it to be, but the pic is still out. Irritating when other images in the burst, are tack sharp! I mean, if I can't hold the AF point on target, well I won't blame the camera, but it's aggravating when one tracks the target and STILL has an OOF shot! Grrr. I'm pretty happy with 8 fps currently, but 10 or 12 (especially 12!) would be awesome! More images to choose from for fast subjects like birds in flight and aircraft doing cross-overs at airshows, all nicely in focus (as long as I do my part!) would be fantastic. Add in a reasonable (within the laws of physics) improvement in low light and this will be an amazing camera!
Oh, and thanks for the compliment Don! Love the "ghosting" 7D shot! LOL Happens on the T3i too, as you will see in this spectral self-portrait!!! LOL ;D

 

[mkabi]

Re: EOS 7D Replacement: it needs a far better sensor-quality than the 7d,70d,60d...

From another site:

Some info of upcoming 7D Mark II:

Speed, AF and high ISO performance will be improved.
Solidly built
Image sensor: over 20 MP
Several models still being tested

Remember the 70D sensor is over 20MP by 0.2

 

[RGomezPhotos]

I'm very excited for this camera! I think that 24mp and 10-12fps with a 61pt AF system isn't unreasonable given that it matches the specs for the prototypes that were previously mentioned. It's possible that the 70D's sensor could be used, but we've already had one rebuttal rumour that indicated the 7D II (or whatever it get's called--for the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to it as 7D II for the rest of this post) will have a brand new sensor and will not share the 70D's. That makes sense. I expect the 70D's sensor will find its way into the 2014 Rebel lineup, and I think Canon will want to differentiate the 7D II from the rest of the APC lineup, especially given the much, much higher price. Will it be worth it, when one can buy a full-frame 6D for much less? Absolutely! I've said it before, but it bears repeating, different camera's fit different types of photographer and photography. If I was shooting a wedding or other low-light event, I'd prefer a 6D or 5D II full-frame camera to any APS-C camera. But I'm not, and neither of those cameras would be stellar performers for the wildlife and action based photography that is my passion. Granted, a 5D III, with its superb AF system and decent (6fps) burst-rate still makes a good choice for either type of photography (unlike the 6D and 5D II), but still a 7D II with 10-12 fps and the cropped frames tighter framing with a given lens makes a very compelling camera for wildlife and sports photography.
I often read here the opinion that the 7D II won't be special because it would be too close to the 1DX, but I don't concur with that assessment at all. No matter how good the chip is, the APS-C isn't going to match the low-light capability of the 1DX and pros are still going to prefer it (and whatever replaces it), although I will not be surprised if many of them don't grab a 7D II as a second body! In the end though, they are competing in different market-places. What's more, Canon isn't bringing this camera out in a vacuum--they need to make sure this camera is good enough to lead APS-C technology for the net 3-5 years, so it has to be more that merely "good." Like the original 7D, it must be ground-breaking and class-leading if it's going to compete in the $2,000 + price range. It should also be remembered that when the original 7D arrived in 2009, the top of the line action camera in the Canon lineup was the 1D III, with 10MP and 10fps. Canon didn't worry that the 7D matched it with 19 cross-type AF points (although the 1D III has 45 AF points, only 19 of them are user-selectable and cross-type). If they didn't worry about making the 7D too close to the current 1D III in 2009, I doubt they'll worry about the 7D II being too close to the 1DX in 2014! This is especially true given the level of competition the new camera faces compared to what the 7D did 5 years ago. Why will the 7D II be awesome? Because it simply HAS to be! Of course, there will still be nay-sayers, even if it has the specs I expect it will have. I've seen posts where someone wrote "yawn" at these very specs, even as I was salivating over them! And I've read repeatedly that many just don't "get it" when one can buy a full-frame camera for less, or because it will be big and "pro", rather than small and mirrorless. I think they miss the essential point--those of us who want this camera, know what we want, and why we want it. If it doesn't fit your style of photography, then of course you ought not to buy one--purchase the camera that fits your shooting style and subjects. Photography would be far less interesting if there was just one style of camera and one kind of photography. Myself--I can't wait for this camera!
On a side note, I'm more interested in specs and capabilities than I am in the name, but I DO think 7D Mark II has a GREAT ring to it!!! ;D

Well said. Though try using some paragraphs :-D

I really hope the 7D II will rock. The specs I've seen are pretty darn good IMO. I would LOVE to have a 7D MKII for my event/action photography. I love my 50D but with it's ISO of 1600, it gets really difficult to photograph a poorly lit event. Even with a flash. Yes, you'll get your subject well lit, but how about the surroundings?

Even if the ISO performance is one stop down from the 5D MKIII, the 7D MKII would be a hot camera. I still drool over the pictures I saw from a 5D MKIII taken at 10k ISO...

 

[Marauder]

LOL There are paragraphs...I just didn't separate them well enough to have them appear sufficiently....er....paragraphie. Look! I just invented a word!!!!

 

[jrista]

Still, it's the improved AF that most interests me. My current 7D really hits the AF at times, but at other times, it's just slightly out, especially in Servo with BIF. Frustrating when you can see that your AF point was right where you wanted it to be, but the pic is still out. Irritating when other images in the burst, are tack sharp! I mean, if I can't hold the AF point on target, well I won't blame the camera, but it's aggravating when one tracks the target and STILL has an OOF shot! Grrr. I'm pretty happy with 8 fps currently, but 10 or 12 (especially 12!) would be awesome!

Ditto! I've complained about it before. I call it the 7D AF jitter...even though the subject remains exactly where it was, the 7D AF system just can't seem to sit still, particularly in AI Servo. It actually kind of diminishes the value of 8fps when shooting continuously. The hit rate can reduce the sharp keeper rate down th 4-6 shots out of every 8, and it's extremely annoying. Probably the most annoying thing about the 7D. Really hope the 7D II gets the 61pt AF system (or something very similar, like a 51pt or 41pt system.)

 

[sanj]

Are we not tired of discussing 7DII over the last full year again and again?

 

[MichaelHodges]

Still, it's the improved AF that most interests me. My current 7D really hits the AF at times, but at other times, it's just slightly out, especially in Servo with BIF. Frustrating when you can see that your AF point was right where you wanted it to be, but the pic is still out. Irritating when other images in the burst, are tack sharp! I mean, if I can't hold the AF point on target, well I won't blame the camera, but it's aggravating when one tracks the target and STILL has an OOF shot! Grrr. I'm pretty happy with 8 fps currently, but 10 or 12 (especially 12!) would be awesome!

Ditto! I've complained about it before. I call it the 7D AF jitter...even though the subject remains exactly where it was, the 7D AF system just can't seem to sit still, particularly in AI Servo. It actually kind of diminishes the value of 8fps when shooting continuously. The hit rate can reduce the sharp keeper rate down th 4-6 shots out of every 8, and it's extremely annoying. Probably the most annoying thing about the 7D. Really hope the 7D II gets the 61pt AF system (or something very similar, like a 51pt or 41pt system.)

My 7D is in the shop right now for this (second time). It works great at focal lengths below 150mm, but AF consistency drops big time with telephoto lenses, especially in AI Servo. Combined with the high noise, a frustrating camera.

 

[jrista]

Are we not tired of discussing 7DII over the last full year again and again?

It's likely the closest new Canon camera due for release. What else are we supposed to rumormonger about?? Seriously...

 

[jrista]

Still, it's the improved AF that most interests me. My current 7D really hits the AF at times, but at other times, it's just slightly out, especially in Servo with BIF. Frustrating when you can see that your AF point was right where you wanted it to be, but the pic is still out. Irritating when other images in the burst, are tack sharp! I mean, if I can't hold the AF point on target, well I won't blame the camera, but it's aggravating when one tracks the target and STILL has an OOF shot! Grrr. I'm pretty happy with 8 fps currently, but 10 or 12 (especially 12!) would be awesome!

Ditto! I've complained about it before. I call it the 7D AF jitter...even though the subject remains exactly where it was, the 7D AF system just can't seem to sit still, particularly in AI Servo. It actually kind of diminishes the value of 8fps when shooting continuously. The hit rate can reduce the sharp keeper rate down th 4-6 shots out of every 8, and it's extremely annoying. Probably the most annoying thing about the 7D. Really hope the 7D II gets the 61pt AF system (or something very similar, like a 51pt or 41pt system.)

My 7D is in the shop right now for this (second time). It works great at focal lengths below 150mm, but AF consistency drops big time with telephoto lenses, especially in AI Servo. Combined with the high noise, a frustrating camera.

When you get it back from the shop, does it ever perform better? I had a tripod head break in Dec. 2012. My 7D and 100-400mm lens dropped about 3 feet or so to sand. At first, I didn't notice anything wrong. Turned out, the lens ended up getting misaligned from that, and I had to send it in for repair. I have not sent the 7D in for repair yet...I honestly haven't really noticed any major differences before or after that incident...but maybe it actually exacerbated the whole AF jitter problem.

Anyway...would be nice to know what your experience is with sending the 7D in for repair, whether it was effective or not.

 

[starship]

it´s about time to get past the 2009-raw-sensor-performance.

Many reviews appear to indicate that the D7100 slightly outperforms the 70D in noise performance, so at least matching the competition's APS-C sensors should be a definite goal.

"slightly outperforming" ???
look at the measurements of dxo:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D7100-versus-Canon-EOS-7D___865_619#tabs-2

dxo-sensor ranking:
Nikon D7100: rank 18
Canon EOS 7D: rank 112

2ev better dynamic range for nikon/sony sensors
about 1/2-3/4 ev better low-light iso

but as long photographers are keep buying underperforming sensor-quality-dslrs, canon won´t offer better, competitive technology.

to be honest: why can´t canon build a APS-C sensor with at least the high-iso quality of a 5D (mk1) of 2005? after almost 9 years?

nikon&sony seem to be able to do that for quite a while:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D7100-versus-Canon-EOS-7D-versus-Canon-EOS-5D___865_619_176
and they have a 2ev better dynamic range than the old 5d (mk1) as well.

btw: i don´t expect a rrp of over 1.600$/€ (street price 1.200 within a few month).

 

[MichaelHodges]

When you get it back from the shop, does it ever perform better? I had a tripod head break in Dec. 2012. My 7D and 100-400mm lens dropped about 3 feet or so to sand. At first, I didn't notice anything wrong. Turned out, the lens ended up getting misaligned from that, and I had to send it in for repair. I have not sent the 7D in for repair yet...I honestly haven't really noticed any major differences before or after that incident...but maybe it actually exacerbated the whole AF jitter problem.

Anyway...would be nice to know what your experience is with sending the 7D in for repair, whether it was effective or not.

Yes, but it seems to "backslide" with use. I also use a 300 F4 L IS (bought new) that has been in five times due to AF issues (it's in with the 7D now). I actually had to order a new camera this winter while on the road (a 6D). While the focus issues occasionally popped up on the 6D with the prime, they were far worse on the 7D, even though the 7D was calibrated with the prime last year by Canon. It's pretty much a yearly thing...send in, get fixed, system backslides with use (unpredictable misfocus that can't be micro adjusted). The 7d works really well with anything under 200, but when it "slips" any telephoto is completely inconsistent (300 prime, 100-400, 200-400, etc).

Frustrating when you can see that your AF point was right where you wanted it to be, but the pic is still out.

Oh yes. Especially when it's a wild golden eagle in flight.

Irritating when other images in the burst, are tack sharp! I mean, if I can't hold the AF point on target, well I won't blame the camera, but it's aggravating when one tracks the target and STILL has an OOF shot! Grrr.

I agree. It's not a good feeling. I basically switched out the 7D this trip with the new 6D, and it smoked the 7D in every way in the field *except* for suddenly having to lock onto birds in AI Servo. If you knew the bird was coming, no problem. If it surprised you and took off at a strong angle, focus acquisition is longer than 7D.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Are we not tired of discussing 7DII over the last full year again and again?

+ 8 million.