EOS M Finally Getting Attention from Canon in 2016? [CR2]

[scrup]

m4 will probably be as much of an upgrade from the m1 to m2 was.

The only thing that would make me buy another mirroless from canon is if it is full frame or if my m1 and m3 dies.

I caught the vintage lens bug from the m3 so what i really want is IS and better manual focusing aids. The new Sony's are better in both these departments.

Once the a7ii hits the 1k mark i will be pulling the trigger. In the meantime i will use the m3 and pick up some more legacy glass.

 

[rrcphoto]

Gee, you think the flood of former Canon users to Sony has something to do with that?

sony and it's 10% marketshare? not likely.

canon mentioned early on this year that their domestic goal was to be #1 in japan for mirrorless by the end of 2016.

They OBVIOUSLY have to do much more if they want to do that. tells you these plans were in the making for a fairly long time.

Not to mention in Japan Olympus is far more of a threat - particularly because Olympus is literally selling off stock for free in japan.

 

[rrcphoto]

m4 will probably be as much of an upgrade from the m1 to m2 was.

I would expect this too. the firmware we saw out of the G3X wasn't exactly awe inspiring and the M is on the same code base so i don't expect much.

 

[Bob Howland]

...and the M is on the same code base...

How do you know that?

 

[scrup]

Its like a sign.

Canonrumor ads showing a sony a7rii.

 

[LonelyBoy]

A mix of M3 and SL1?

What exactly does the M3 bring to the table over the SL1, other than being a hair shorter with the 22/2?

 

[aclectasis]

I have a 5d III and an EOS M and recently moved to Sony. I now have an A7S and it's great, everything I want as a professional video shooter. Canon have already failed to show up to a race Sony won a year (at least) ago. This news is pathetic and shows how halfheartedly they have, are, and will treat the system in the future.

 

[StudentOfLight]

K.I.S.S. = keep it small, stupid.

This is Canon we're talking about
M.A.K.E.O.U.T. = Missing Ass-Kicking Elements, Obviously Uninspired Technology

 

[ChristopherMarkPerez]

I bought a NEX5 when they first came out and kept my 5D/7D DSLRs for "serious" work. Over the years I couldn't help but notice I was shooting the NEX5 more and more. The IQ is great. It is a LOT smaller than the DSLRs. It was easy to take everywhere.

Then Sony went and did a very un-photography-like thing and added WiFi and NFC, and in-camera apps. To make matters worse, they offered sensor quality that clearly exceeded Canon's at the ISO I shoot. It wasn't cheap, but I switched systems.

So... let's say Canon really does come out with a "serious" update to the EOS-M system. Why would I be compelled to return? Please tell me, Mr. Canon.

 

[Antono Refa]

Hopefully their sensor development can catch up with Sony.

Yet, strangely, Sony's hoping their sales can catch up with Canon's. Not looking likely...

Your point being that Canon sells better because it's sensors are inferior?

 

[AvTvM]

So... let's say Canon really does come out with a "serious" update to the EOS-M system. Why would I be compelled to return? Please tell me, Mr. Canon.

A truly kick-ass canon "EOS M4 Pro" would be fairly easy to do. Put in EVF, improve sensor by another little step, put DPAF into it, stick LP-E6N battery knto it, and keep form factor like M3, not bigger. And the EF-M lens line-up with "only" 4 good, nicely-priced lenses already covers almost everything needed and delivers optical performance superior to the entire bloated lineup of Sony E-mount lenses - including those with Zeiss badge on them (talking about APS-C lenses, not FF).

Add some unique advantages like a built in canon RT radio flash controller and eye control AF v2.0 on the built-in EVF and canon could literally sell millions of it - if they manage for once to put a realistic sticker price on it ... 949 body, 999 kit w/18-55. problem solved, as far as APS-C mirrorless is concerned.

FF mirrorless will take a much bigger effort.

 

[Tyroop]

We’re also told that an EOS M4 will be a global product and a departure from what we’ve seen through the first 3 iterations.

So, no more driving across international borders, and I'll be able to buy an M4 and any new EF-M lenses without being forced to buy kits that contain lenses that I already own? Wow, thank you Canon.

 

[dufflover]

Depends where they are getting serious on it.
The body? (like the AF or usability to match the current mirrorless market)? Or the lenses? Or ... ?

I hope they can make a few more pancake lenses for it; for me the M is about the size, thus unless they do something like the RX100 III I'd rather not have a VF if it just adds bulk.

 

[DRR]

So... let's say Canon really does come out with a "serious" update to the EOS-M system. Why would I be compelled to return? Please tell me, Mr. Canon.

A truly kick-ass canon "EOS M4 Pro" would be fairly easy to do. Put in EVF, improve sensor by another little step, put DPAF into it, stick LP-E6N battery knto it, and keep form factor like M3, not bigger. And the EF-M lens line-up with "only" 4 good, nicely-priced lenses already covers almost everything needed and delivers optical performance superior to the entire bloated lineup of Sony E-mount lenses - including those with Zeiss badge on them (talking about APS-C lenses, not FF).

Add some unique advantages like a built in canon RT radio flash controller and eye control AF v2.0 on the built-in EVF and canon could literally sell millions of it - if they manage for once to put a realistic sticker price on it ... 949 body, 999 kit w/18-55. problem solved, as far as APS-C mirrorless is concerned.

FF mirrorless will take a much bigger effort.

So basically... a smaller Rebel with an EF-M mount. Not that I'm complaining.

It's actually what I have been predicting for a while now, the Rebel line will lose the mirror box at some point and go mirrorless with an EF-M. Based on the two camps here, ("No bigger than current M" and "need better ergonomics") I think it makes sense to split the EF-M line into two lines - small and compact, and a larger "pro" M. The "pro M" line could be the next gen Rebels...

 

[ashmadux]

I was a pre-firesale owner of the original M. It was a nice little camera and I liked it a lot, however two major deficiencies made me jump from the platform.

First, lack of an integrated EVF. The back LCD is unusable in direct sunlight. Without an EVF, you have no option aside from spray and pray.

Second, I found the ergonomics to be seriously lacking. It's heavy enough to warrant a proper grip but it never fit my hand right. I would have gladly accepted a slightly larger camera that was easier to hold and use. Further there's no dial to easily adjust settings, aside from the rear dial. The rear dial was cumbersome to use for this function because it also acts as 4 buttons and it's too easy to accidentally do a button press when you're trying to adjust aperture or shutter speed. And there was no button to map the video record button to back button focus.

It took excellent pictures and I found all the EF-M lenses to be excellent, but the body was just lacking for me. The M3 comes pretty close, if it had an EVF I probably would have bought one. For now, I am putting together a Sony E-mount kit for my small/travel kit. If an M4 appears that checks all the boxes then I'll probably move back to the system.

Not sure I understand this. I am a firesale owner as well, and it has replaced my G12 as my go to camera. I have never encountered a situation where i couldn't use the lcd in sunlight. When checking the lcd with the sun behind you, one can simply use a hand to cover to shade the screen for better visibility. But with that said, the situation is rare, it still has never been unusable. And I carry this thing around every day. Since the screen does not flip however, I have learned to put my hand under the body so that it kills the reflection from look down at the screen well off angle.

Spray and play is one thing I could never do with this body though, as the AF is just too slow.

I played with the m3+11-22 in tokyo and i would LOVE to have the flexible screen (need it, actually), though it seemed like the interface speed took a hit from the m1/2. Af was FAST, no worries there. The body is mell done, great grip, and overall i would just love to have this machine. I asked a salesguy at BH if they heard anything about a return to the US market, and they said nay.

 

[bf]

CR: M3 coming to the north America.
CR: M4 will be a serious and global camera.
4 is a bad number in Asia!

=> M4 will be a slightly modified M3 for the US!

 

[dickgrafixstop]

why does this whole thing sound like pasting "eagle feathers on a turkey" 'cause it still "ain't gonna fly!"

 

[Loswr]

why does this whole thing sound like pasting "eagle feathers on a turkey" 'cause it still "ain't gonna fly!"

I guess Japanese turkeys can fly, or maybe you have some other explanation for the EOS M being the #2 best selling camera in that country.

 

[privatebydesign]

why does this whole thing sound like pasting "eagle feathers on a turkey" 'cause it still "ain't gonna fly!"

I guess Japanese turkeys can fly, or maybe you have some other explanation for the EOS M being the #2 best selling camera in that country.

Dick has clearly been raised on bloated store bought turkeys. Time to look outside and see the real world not the one we are fed?

"Despite their weight, wild turkeys, unlike their domesticated counterparts, are agile fliers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_turkey

 

[photogdan]

My first post

I have a 6D and use an M3 as backup. The M3 has become the travel body of choice. I think it's a great alternative.

Native lenses would be nice but with so many options through the adapter, I don't see myself jumping in head first. Especially if there is a similar EF/EF-S lens already available.

For me to make the move to the next iteration of Canon mirrorless would take at least a FF sensor, EF-M or otherwise.