Filters

[M.ST]

Sorry for my first short text.

I mean, buy a B+W AUC Zirkular-Polfilter Käsemann with MRC-sealing (not the slim version) for the new EF 24-70 II. (I hate the nine lens blades, because you get stars from small light sources at f/16 or f/22 with eighteen spouts. That looks very ugly.)

Most of the polfilters don´t perform very well with ultra wide angle lenses. Your need the slim version for ultra wide angle lenses, but they have not the effect as with lenses from 24 mm up.

If you use a Lee-filter-holder you are more flexible. You can screw in polfilters, nd- und gnd-filters.

 

[kirillica]

I'm looking for the best UV (+IR) filter for my new 16-35 lens and have no idea what to choose:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ipp=100&sts=ma&Ns=p_PRICE_2%7c1&N=35&srtclk=sort&Ntt=uv+82mm+filter

I've used Hoya for other lens and it's OK. I've never heard of Heliopan. Is their price/performance ratio better than Hoya?

Currently it looks like this is the best option:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/857379-REG/Hoya_A82UVIR_82_mm_UV_and.html
Am I right?

 

[Loswr]

Currently it looks like this is the best option:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/857379-REG/Hoya_A82UVIR_82_mm_UV_and.html

From the product description: "When using color CCD or CMOS camera sensors, which are extremely susceptible to UV and IR rays..." Really?!? First time I've heard that... Technically, I suppose it's true...the sensor itself is quite sensitive to IR, although much less so to UV. But...there are two IR cut filters in front of the sensor, which I presume do the job they're supposed to, and I've personally tested UV sensitivity of a 5DII and found it to be basically zero.

Also, although B&H doesn't indicate it, searching the manufacturer number (A82UVIR) elsewhere indicates the filter is part of the HMC line, which isn't the best from Hoya, optically. The Super HMC, Pro1, and HD lines are the ones I'd look at from Hoya, and those are equivalent to the B+W MRC optically, although of them all, the B+W and the Hoya HD are easier to clean than the others.

Heliopan has a good reputation, but I have no personal experience.

Personally, I use an XS-Pro 82mm B+W MRC UV on my 16-35 II. I'm not sure what the mount thickness of the Hoya you linked is, but according to my testing, anything over 5mm thick may vignette on the 16-35L II (on FF).

 

[kirillica]

Personally, I use an XS-Pro 82mm B+W MRC UV on my 16-35 II. I'm not sure what the mount thickness of the Hoya you linked is, but according to my testing, anything over 5mm thick may vignette on the 16-35L II (on FF).

well, if we take into account list mentioned (on B&H), that what would be your choice?

 

[Loswr]

Personally, I'd get this one. As I stated, optically there's little to distinguish the top end filters (B+W MRC/Nano, Hoya Pro1/HD, etc.), but I do sometimes stack a CPL or ND on the UV if I'm in a hurry, and the brass rings of the B+Ws are less prone to binding up when stacking filters.

 

[7enderbender]

I am looking for a 82 mm size UV, CPL, ND (Grad) filter to purchase . i have always used B+W filters and have been very happy with it. What do you all recommend..

Here's another happy B+W user for anything that screws on/is round. For grad filters etc I've been using standard Cokin filters since the very beginning on 35mm film. They've become a little difficult to get at times but I find them more than sufficient and quite affordable.

 

[DigitalDivide]

Can't say I've ever had the problem but maybe try popping in the oven at something fairly low like 80C for a while and see how it goes? It sounds like different expansion rates in the opposite direction caused your problem.

Thanks, that may be worth a try. I suspect you are right that the problem is caused by different rates of expansion. The jamming happened when I was jumping in and out of a heated vehicle in freezing temperatures, so the filters were presumably expanding and contracting. I tried letting them sit in my freezer for a while with no success, so maybe heat will work. At least the filters are not stuck on the lens, I wouldn't want to put that in the oven!

I should probably look up rates of expansion for steel and brass...

 

[Razor2012]

Currently it looks like this is the best option:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/857379-REG/Hoya_A82UVIR_82_mm_UV_and.html

From the product description: "When using color CCD or CMOS camera sensors, which are extremely susceptible to UV and IR rays..." Really?!? First time I've heard that... Technically, I suppose it's true...the sensor itself is quite sensitive to IR, although much less so to UV. But...there are two IR cut filters in front of the sensor, which I presume do the job they're supposed to, and I've personally tested UV sensitivity of a 5DII and found it to be basically zero.

Also, although B&H doesn't indicate it, searching the manufacturer number (A82UVIR) elsewhere indicates the filter is part of the HMC line, which isn't the best from Hoya, optically. The Super HMC, Pro1, and HD lines are the ones I'd look at from Hoya, and those are equivalent to the B+W MRC optically, although of them all, the B+W and the Hoya HD are easier to clean than the others.

Heliopan has a good reputation, but I have no personal experience.

Personally, I use an XS-Pro 82mm B+W MRC UV on my 16-35 II. I'm not sure what the mount thickness of the Hoya you linked is, but according to my testing, anything over 5mm thick may vignette on the 16-35L II (on FF).

In the past I used the B+W MRC Slims, but now just use the XS-Pro MRC Nano. I also have the UV on my 16-35II and ordered the XS-Pro Kaesemann KSM CPL MRC Nano. These are great filters...period.

 

[csli]

Currently it looks like this is the best option:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/857379-REG/Hoya_A82UVIR_82_mm_UV_and.html

From the product description: "When using color CCD or CMOS camera sensors, which are extremely susceptible to UV and IR rays..." Really?!? First time I've heard that... Technically, I suppose it's true...the sensor itself is quite sensitive to IR, although much less so to UV. But...there are two IR cut filters in front of the sensor, which I presume do the job they're supposed to, and I've personally tested UV sensitivity of a 5DII and found it to be basically zero.

Also, although B&H doesn't indicate it, searching the manufacturer number (A82UVIR) elsewhere indicates the filter is part of the HMC line, which isn't the best from Hoya, optically. The Super HMC, Pro1, and HD lines are the ones I'd look at from Hoya, and those are equivalent to the B+W MRC optically, although of them all, the B+W and the Hoya HD are easier to clean than the others.

Heliopan has a good reputation, but I have no personal experience.

Personally, I use an XS-Pro 82mm B+W MRC UV on my 16-35 II. I'm not sure what the mount thickness of the Hoya you linked is, but according to my testing, anything over 5mm thick may vignette on the 16-35L II (on FF).

I just bought the 16 - 35mm L II with the B+W Slim-Line Clear UV Haze with Multi-Resistant Coating (010M). Is this a good filter to go with the lens?

Thanks,

 

[Loswr]

I'm not a fan of the slim filters because they lack a front thread, meaning pinch caps (e.g. the one that comes with the lens) don't work, and you need to use the slip-on cap that comes with the slim filter. Instead, I prefer the XS-Pro mount - it's only 0.4mm thicker than the Slim, and has front threads.

 

[csli]

I'm not a fan of the slim filters because they lack a front thread, meaning pinch caps (e.g. the one that comes with the lens) don't work, and you need to use the slip-on cap that comes with the slim filter. Instead, I prefer the XS-Pro mount - it's only 0.4mm thicker than the Slim, and has front threads.

OK Thanks! With the XS-Pro clear, do I still need the XS-Pro UV Nano on top of it if it is shooting outside?

 

[Loswr]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

 

[Random Orbits]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

+1, whichever is less expensive.

 

[csli]

Currently it looks like this is the best option:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/857379-REG/Hoya_A82UVIR_82_mm_UV_and.html

From the product description: "When using color CCD or CMOS camera sensors, which are extremely susceptible to UV and IR rays..." Really?!? First time I've heard that... Technically, I suppose it's true...the sensor itself is quite sensitive to IR, although much less so to UV. But...there are two IR cut filters in front of the sensor, which I presume do the job they're supposed to, and I've personally tested UV sensitivity of a 5DII and found it to be basically zero.

Also, although B&H doesn't indicate it, searching the manufacturer number (A82UVIR) elsewhere indicates the filter is part of the HMC line, which isn't the best from Hoya, optically. The Super HMC, Pro1, and HD lines are the ones I'd look at from Hoya, and those are equivalent to the B+W MRC optically, although of them all, the B+W and the Hoya HD are easier to clean than the others.

Heliopan has a good reputation, but I have no personal experience.

Personally, I use an XS-Pro 82mm B+W MRC UV on my 16-35 II. I'm not sure what the mount thickness of the Hoya you linked is, but according to my testing, anything over 5mm thick may vignette on the 16-35L II (on FF).

In the past I used the B+W MRC Slims, but now just use the XS-Pro MRC Nano. I also have the UV on my 16-35II and ordered the XS-Pro Kaesemann KSM CPL MRC Nano. These are great filters...period.

Hi Razor,
Do you have the XS-pro UV on it all the time, indoor and out?

Thanks,

 

[csli]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

With the XS-Pro on, can you still put on the lens hood for 16 - 35mm L II? I assume you have that awesome lens.

Thanks,

 

[csli]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

+1, whichever is less expensive.

The XS-Pro clear is cheaper than the UV. You thought it should be opposite. Anyway, I will return my slim-line and pick up a XS-Pro.

 

[Razor2012]

Currently it looks like this is the best option:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/857379-REG/Hoya_A82UVIR_82_mm_UV_and.html

From the product description: "When using color CCD or CMOS camera sensors, which are extremely susceptible to UV and IR rays..." Really?!? First time I've heard that... Technically, I suppose it's true...the sensor itself is quite sensitive to IR, although much less so to UV. But...there are two IR cut filters in front of the sensor, which I presume do the job they're supposed to, and I've personally tested UV sensitivity of a 5DII and found it to be basically zero.

Also, although B&H doesn't indicate it, searching the manufacturer number (A82UVIR) elsewhere indicates the filter is part of the HMC line, which isn't the best from Hoya, optically. The Super HMC, Pro1, and HD lines are the ones I'd look at from Hoya, and those are equivalent to the B+W MRC optically, although of them all, the B+W and the Hoya HD are easier to clean than the others.

Heliopan has a good reputation, but I have no personal experience.

Personally, I use an XS-Pro 82mm B+W MRC UV on my 16-35 II. I'm not sure what the mount thickness of the Hoya you linked is, but according to my testing, anything over 5mm thick may vignette on the 16-35L II (on FF).

In the past I used the B+W MRC Slims, but now just use the XS-Pro MRC Nano. I also have the UV on my 16-35II and ordered the XS-Pro Kaesemann KSM CPL MRC Nano. These are great filters...period.

Hi Razor,
Do you have the XS-pro UV on it all the time, indoor and out?

Thanks,

Hi csli, yes I do, never take it off.

 

[Razor2012]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

With the XS-Pro on, can you still put on the lens hood for 16 - 35mm L II? I assume you have that awesome lens.

Thanks,

Yes, with the XS-Pro on you can still attach the hood. I just picked up the 16-35II, pretty sweet lens.

 

[Random Orbits]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

+1, whichever is less expensive.

The XS-Pro clear is cheaper than the UV. You thought it should be opposite. Anyway, I will return my slim-line and pick up a XS-Pro.

No, I didn't say which would be cheaper, I said pick whichever one is cheaper. Some online merchants only carry one or the other and their prices might be lower than brick-and-mortar stores that carry both.

 

[csli]

No - pick UV or clear, for a dSLR there's no difference (UV helped with film, CMOS sensors are basically insensitive to UV).

+1, whichever is less expensive.

I got you. ;D

Thanks!


The XS-Pro clear is cheaper than the UV. You thought it should be opposite. Anyway, I will return my slim-line and pick up a XS-Pro.

No, I didn't say which would be cheaper, I said pick whichever one is cheaper. Some online merchants only carry one or the other and their prices might be lower than brick-and-mortar stores that carry both.