ah.. you got me excited then i though it was here already.... considering how slow and how bad the M is i don't think it will be canon
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!!!FIRST!!! - Full Frame Mirrorless Camera
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Remember Canon's SedTVs? Yeah, somebody carried the first (real) SedTV to an event for Canon, too. It won't arrive on store shelves soon, if ever, of course, since they essentially dropped the technology.
I guess most of my glass is ready for an update then (and I wouldn't complain - especially with the 50mm)...tron said:+100000Mt Spokane Photography said:
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tron said:+100000Mt Spokane Photography said:
too true, for example the 600 f4.5 FD lens i got in perfect condition still has great image quality even on 5Dmk2 mk3 and the crop of the EOS M so it would seem these good quality old lenses are capable of resolving and producing nice images.
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Why would anyone buy an OLED TV? The lifespan is too short, doesn't make any sense. Otherwise you would have seen bigger OLED TVs already.jrista said:sandymandy said:There is Sony XEL for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_XEL-1
OLED is just not mainstream yet thats why u didnt hear much about it
Well, it's no surprise no one knew about it. Its a joke...practically microscopic in size, with an oddball resolution, and a truly hideous design. If I was Sony, I wouldn't have even bothered releasing the thing. That's like being one of those idiots who always has to post "First" in every forum they come across...just to be...first. I'd barely qualify that thing as a TV, and while Sony may have been the first to market with some kind of OLED device that might possibly stand in as a TV for some dude somewhere in the world...its kind of a stretch. Give me a nice 52" HD TV with OLED technology that produces a better quality picture than LED technology does, and then you can call "FIRST!"
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Minh Nguyen said:I work at Sony Electronics.
Yea we've got FF Mirrorless already.
We're often times the first to market or very early to market. I remember announcing the world's lightest laptop 6 months before the first macbook air. Even after the launch of the AIR our's was still the thinnest and lightest but did anyone know haha? I remember carrying the world's first OLED TV to a convention in Las Vegas. We never advertised it though, the images were stunning and the design was sleek. 2 years later Samsung made a huge TV ad campaign and without saying it made it sound like they were the first to make the OLED TVs. And their TV was IDENTICAL to our aesthetically, they basically took our tv and rebadged it as a samsung. I think that's my biggest frustration with this company. We don't advertise anything and unless you're really looking for a product you would never know we made it. I'm so tired of watching great products get launch with zero visibility.
Just wanted to release some steam about the biggest issue that irks me about Sony. Other than that the company is awesome, they treat us real well, we get good discounts and the work culture here is great (I knew a few people who worked at Samsung that we're very happy).
Hi Minh,
I must say I agree with you re: your advertisement comments. For example:
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[*]The Sony RX100 has a bounce flash built into it. Really sets it apart from other P&S cameras (save for an Olympus one; I can't remember the model). Why wasn't this advertised? It's not even listed as a feature at all on the official features/specs page!
[*]Sony makes the world's best CMOS sensors. Why not flaunt this for the Sony cameras that have this high dynamic range/low noise? Some of Sony's sensors are practically ready for the ISO-less revolution (if it ever comes)!
[*]Whatever happened to that really cool 84" projection screen that was matched to reflect the RGB primaries of a paired projector while rejecting all other wavelengths? Such a cool idea... a prototype was demonstrated years ago... never heard anything else about it.
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I love the fact that you guys make & push cool new technology horizons. It can often be high risk (RX1, e.g., albeit that's probably a stepping stone to another product coming soon...), but can be highly rewarding. For those of us that care about quality, I must say I, for one, really appreciate the work Sony's doing. Be it Blu-Ray, 4k, SXRD, high DR/low read noise CMOS sensors, 1" sensor pocketable P&S (RX100 was one of Time's top 25 inventions of 2012!!), the list goes on.
Never considered myself a fanboy of any company... but Sony comes close.
Just don't get me started on the subpar lenses Sony's been putting on its HW30/HW50 line of projectors... good grief. Why take a great tech like SXRD & mar it like that!
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After moving to FF, I'll never buy into a smaller format ILC system. Further, I'd never buy an ILC camera without a rangefinder. No EVF will ever be "good enough." Since I'll never be able to afford a Leica (not to mention lenses lol), I can only conclude I'll never buy a mirrorless ILC. All that being said, I'm saving up for an RX1. That s*** is the ultimate.
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Sony's A-mount SLT is 'technically' a mirrorless. Demount the lens from the body and you will see the A99's full frame immediately.
I was looking at the Leica M but since getting the 40/2.8 Pancake of Canon the requirement waned.
I wish Canon's EOS M was the first sub-$3000 FF mirrorless but I guess Canon was trying to improve profit margins with their APS-C sensors.
I was looking at the Leica M but since getting the 40/2.8 Pancake of Canon the requirement waned.
I wish Canon's EOS M was the first sub-$3000 FF mirrorless but I guess Canon was trying to improve profit margins with their APS-C sensors.
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dolina said:
+1. Sony has already the first full frame mirrorless Camera with AF and interchangeable lenses. The only thing missing I think is the typical mirrorless form factor. A99 even have a great AF and a very good viewfinder already. Counting the available Zeiss lenses, the realization of a full-frame with great AF, great lenses, small form factor and mirrorless isn't that far off with Sony. Sony, please make your A99 smaller...
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verysimplejason said:dolina said:
+1. Sony has already the first full frame mirrorless Camera with AF and interchangeable lenses. The only thing missing I think is the typical mirrorless form factor. A99 even have a great AF and a very good viewfinder already. Counting the available Zeiss lenses, the realization of a full-frame with great AF, great lenses, small form factor and mirrorless isn't that far off with Sony. Sony, please make your A99 smaller...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but one can't simple "make the A99 smaller." α mount lenses, like all SLR lenses, are designed with a large flange focal distance to accomodate the mirror. For this reason, a mirrorless α mount camera couldn't be much smaller than an SLR. A full frame mirrorless camera would need a brand new mount, as I reckon hell would freeze over sooner than Sony would make an M mount camera.
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LostArk said:verysimplejason said:dolina said:
+1. Sony has already the first full frame mirrorless Camera with AF and interchangeable lenses. The only thing missing I think is the typical mirrorless form factor. A99 even have a great AF and a very good viewfinder already. Counting the available Zeiss lenses, the realization of a full-frame with great AF, great lenses, small form factor and mirrorless isn't that far off with Sony. Sony, please make your A99 smaller...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but one can't simple "make the A99 smaller." α mount lenses, like all SLR lenses, are designed with a large flange focal distance to accomodate the mirror. For this reason, a mirrorless α mount camera couldn't be much smaller than an SLR. A full frame mirrorless camera would need a brand new mount, as I reckon hell would freeze over sooner than Sony would make an M mount camera.
Make the adapter integrated to the camera body... It's just that I don't know how much it can make the camera smaller. It may not be pocketable but certainly smaller than an SLR. Imagine an RX1 with something like this in the camera body...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-Lens-Adapter-Fujifilm-X-Pro1-Xpro1-/400303328316
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verysimplejason said:dolina said:
+1. Sony has already the first full frame mirrorless Camera with AF and interchangeable lenses. The only thing missing I think is the typical mirrorless form factor. A99 even have a great AF and a very good viewfinder already. Counting the available Zeiss lenses, the realization of a full-frame with great AF, great lenses, small form factor and mirrorless isn't that far off with Sony. Sony, please make your A99 smaller...
I don't see how you can put that Sony FF mirrorless in pocket ??? Unless, you carry a purse with you ;D
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Dylan777 said:verysimplejason said:dolina said:
+1. Sony has already the first full frame mirrorless Camera with AF and interchangeable lenses. The only thing missing I think is the typical mirrorless form factor. A99 even have a great AF and a very good viewfinder already. Counting the available Zeiss lenses, the realization of a full-frame with great AF, great lenses, small form factor and mirrorless isn't that far off with Sony. Sony, please make your A99 smaller...
I don't see how you can put that Sony FF mirrorless in pocket ??? Unless, you carry a purse with you ;D
It's not pocketable that's why I have also highlighted that fact. However, we've seen already what Sony can do with RX1. Putting the interchangeable lenses on its body will require it to bulge a little bit more. I doubt that it will be pocketable unless they create a new mount and an adapter much like what EOS-M had done.
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