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The only things I am interested in:
- image quality
- image quality
- image quality
- manual mode including video (add video to my existing EOS bodies)
- availability of an full featured adaptor (to use existing EF/EF-S lenses)
- APS-C sized sensor (to have 16mm equiv UW for photography and video)
Who matters if it is retro or not, if the design is good or bad. It should work
to achieve the IMAGES I IMAGINE because the camera is WITH ME ...
- image quality
- image quality
- image quality
- manual mode including video (add video to my existing EOS bodies)
- availability of an full featured adaptor (to use existing EF/EF-S lenses)
- APS-C sized sensor (to have 16mm equiv UW for photography and video)
Who matters if it is retro or not, if the design is good or bad. It should work
to achieve the IMAGES I IMAGINE because the camera is WITH ME ...
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DArora said:
The rumours going back months have suggested a budget model first and potentially a higher end one with EVF latter so I'm not supprized.
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It certainly won't be called "M", since it's a more direct competitor to Leica's system than the Olympus OM was back in the 70s, and Leica gave them huge grief over their original name of "Olympus M". If the Japanese text says the name "M" is part of the rumor, this alone tends to discredit it.
As for the ugliness, it sure is, but there's no evidence either Canon or Nikon understand how much damage the ugliness of their cameras is doing to their businesses.
As for the ugliness, it sure is, but there's no evidence either Canon or Nikon understand how much damage the ugliness of their cameras is doing to their businesses.
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RLPhoto said:
Indeed, I'm supprized that no system besides m43 has managed to offer a relatively compact prime in this range with f/2 or better.
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People can photoshop things... then again it is not as easy (or worthwhile) to do something this elaborate, and high res. Fakes are usually low res where the cloned borders are not easily discernable.
I think it's real...
(It's sometimes the ones who don't know photoshop that well, that say, "Oh thats photoshopped"...)
I think it's real...
(It's sometimes the ones who don't know photoshop that well, that say, "Oh thats photoshopped"...)
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I'm guessing G1X sensor so they can keep the lenses nice & small like μ4/3. With a 1.85x crop the pictured 22 becomes a 40mm pancake...
I'd also assume that they didn't include a built-in finder so that they could keep it as small & inexpensive as possible, and so that they can sell expensive accessory finders to fools like us that will buy them <grin>.
If they release a luminous standard zoom like a 24-105 (equiv) f/2.8 IS or something then I'm all over this thing. For me, good small lenses for the system are the deal maker/breaker. The glass has to be at least in the same ballpark as my Fuji X10 (28-112 f/2.0-2.8 ). If a boring f/3.5-f/5.6 kit zoom is the only option besides this little prime then I'm certainly not going to be among the early adopters, especially in light of Panasonic's impressive new compacts. Manual focus assist is also going to have a lot to do with my decision.
Now that I think about it, this puts Canon in a very interesting position. Previously, they never had to release roadmaps as their lens stable was complete & just about updating things from time to time. Now, if they want people to buy into this system they had better give a preview of what's coming down the pipe in the next year or two, just like all the other newcomers to the mirrorless market.
I'd also assume that they didn't include a built-in finder so that they could keep it as small & inexpensive as possible, and so that they can sell expensive accessory finders to fools like us that will buy them <grin>.
If they release a luminous standard zoom like a 24-105 (equiv) f/2.8 IS or something then I'm all over this thing. For me, good small lenses for the system are the deal maker/breaker. The glass has to be at least in the same ballpark as my Fuji X10 (28-112 f/2.0-2.8 ). If a boring f/3.5-f/5.6 kit zoom is the only option besides this little prime then I'm certainly not going to be among the early adopters, especially in light of Panasonic's impressive new compacts. Manual focus assist is also going to have a lot to do with my decision.
Now that I think about it, this puts Canon in a very interesting position. Previously, they never had to release roadmaps as their lens stable was complete & just about updating things from time to time. Now, if they want people to buy into this system they had better give a preview of what's coming down the pipe in the next year or two, just like all the other newcomers to the mirrorless market.
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hollybush said:
It does not look ugly to me, it looks like a modern camera should look
If you preffer a retro-like look for your cameras there is the Fuji X100; kind of camera that looks like a rangefinder but does not behave like that. Useless AF and even worst MF; I had it for a month and then sold it
Any rangefinder like camera should have rangefinder viewfinder and proper mechanical MF
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Canon already had an EF-M so it is possible for them to use EOS-M or similar.
I would love for it to look more retro but that wouldn't stop me buying it. As mentiond above, image quality and compatability with EOS lenses will be the primary factors. I would love for it to be full frame but it seems far more likely to be aps-c. Focussing speed and accuracy will be important also. I don't pretend to believe my needs will mimic everyones but it would be nice to see the camera deliver solid IQ, even in relatively low light.
I guess it depends where canon pitch it, probably initially towards the middle of the consumer price band maybe with another later model towards the higher end. If its full frame (remembering cost savings from the lack of a prism) they could pitch it around $1600 and I'd love one. Coupled to a 24-105 f4 is it would make a great family camera without as much bulk as a 5d3 adds to that equation. As much as their is a huge consumer market, there are also quite a few pros with nice glass collections that they would like to use on a mirrorless canon and get corresponding solid results. If canon can build one or two cameras that can deliver to both groups or one each, they would have a lot of happy folks out here.
What really sucks is I am likely to be well out of cellphone range when the announcement comes lol.
I would love for it to look more retro but that wouldn't stop me buying it. As mentiond above, image quality and compatability with EOS lenses will be the primary factors. I would love for it to be full frame but it seems far more likely to be aps-c. Focussing speed and accuracy will be important also. I don't pretend to believe my needs will mimic everyones but it would be nice to see the camera deliver solid IQ, even in relatively low light.
I guess it depends where canon pitch it, probably initially towards the middle of the consumer price band maybe with another later model towards the higher end. If its full frame (remembering cost savings from the lack of a prism) they could pitch it around $1600 and I'd love one. Coupled to a 24-105 f4 is it would make a great family camera without as much bulk as a 5d3 adds to that equation. As much as their is a huge consumer market, there are also quite a few pros with nice glass collections that they would like to use on a mirrorless canon and get corresponding solid results. If canon can build one or two cameras that can deliver to both groups or one each, they would have a lot of happy folks out here.
What really sucks is I am likely to be well out of cellphone range when the announcement comes lol.
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hollybush said:
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder! For some reason I like the Nikon fe2 and the bessa 4's. The leica r8 is also pretty funky.
I'd have bought the fuji xpro but I'm not confident in the lens range nor the af. When I get chance I will rent one, but I get the feeling it's not the type of camera aimed at taking pictures of kids flying about.
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EF- and EF-S-lenses have a flange focal distance of 44mm. I don't see space in this camera for such a big ffd, meaning an EF-to-EF-M-converter would have to contain optics, if it is at all possible. I'd say EF-lenses are pretty much not going to be usable.
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Rat said:
The opposite is true, the camera's native flange focal distance will be less than the EF lenses so you can use an optic-less adapter. It's when the native flange focal distance is greater than what the lens is designed for that you need optics in the adapter.
The EF flange focal distance is greater than FD flange focal distance so you need optics in the adapter.
The EF flange focal distance is less than the Nikon flange focal distance so you don't need optics in the adapter.
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