Fuji thoughts

[distant.star]

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Free at last, free at last.

Got my X-Pro2 yesterday, the camera I've been waiting a year for. There is nothing the Canon 5D3 can do for me that this new Fuji cannot match or equal.

AF is fast and accurate. The Fuji glass is easily the equivalent or better than Canon. I think the Fuji 56mm is better than the the Canon 85L in every way (and half the price). And the Fuji 90mm is the equal or better than the Canon 135 -- and that was my tipping point (outside of image quality). I love my Canon 135 and could not imagine living without it. With the Fuji 90, I don't have to live without that. And the 50-140 is as sharp as any lens I've seen, and the IS is unbeatable.

And my ultimate bottom line, what drew me to Fuji to begin with is image quality. Canon cannot give me the image quality I get with the Fuji system at this point.

For those who prefer the DSLR form, the X-T2 should be out this summer or fall. It will surely equal or surpass the X-Pro2 performance.

The only similarity between the Canon M and the Fuji X is the word mirrorless. It's like comparing a Little League team to a Major League team.

So, finally the Canon stuff can go. Anyone interested in a well used 5D3 setup?

 

[Mr1Dx]

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Free at last, free at last.

Got my X-Pro2 yesterday, the camera I've been waiting a year for. There is nothing the Canon 5D3 can do for me that this new Fuji cannot match or equal.

AF is fast and accurate. The Fuji glass is easily the equivalent or better than Canon. I think the Fuji 56mm is better than the the Canon 85L in every way (and half the price). And the Fuji 90mm is the equal or better than the Canon 135 -- and that was my tipping point (outside of image quality). I love my Canon 135 and could not imagine living without it. With the Fuji 90, I don't have to live without that. And the 50-140 is as sharp as any lens I've seen, and the IS is unbeatable.

And my ultimate bottom line, what drew me to Fuji to begin with is image quality. Canon cannot give me the image quality I get with the Fuji system at this point.

For those who prefer the DSLR form, the X-T2 should be out this summer or fall. It will surely equal or surpass the X-Pro2 performance.

The only similarity between the Canon M and the Fuji X is the word mirrorless. It's like comparing a Little League team to a Major League team.

So, finally the Canon stuff can go. Anyone interested in a well used 5D3 setup?

Fuji has beautiful body designs. However, I'm a FF shooter for long time. I'm a bit concern with the high ISO - crop Vs FF.

Can you give some feedbacks on high ISO(3200-6400) indoor/lower light?

Thanks in advance,

 

[Luds34]

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Free at last, free at last.

Got my X-Pro2 yesterday, the camera I've been waiting a year for. There is nothing the Canon 5D3 can do for me that this new Fuji cannot match or equal.

AF is fast and accurate. The Fuji glass is easily the equivalent or better than Canon. I think the Fuji 56mm is better than the the Canon 85L in every way (and half the price). And the Fuji 90mm is the equal or better than the Canon 135 -- and that was my tipping point (outside of image quality). I love my Canon 135 and could not imagine living without it. With the Fuji 90, I don't have to live without that. And the 50-140 is as sharp as any lens I've seen, and the IS is unbeatable.

And my ultimate bottom line, what drew me to Fuji to begin with is image quality. Canon cannot give me the image quality I get with the Fuji system at this point.

For those who prefer the DSLR form, the X-T2 should be out this summer or fall. It will surely equal or surpass the X-Pro2 performance.

The only similarity between the Canon M and the Fuji X is the word mirrorless. It's like comparing a Little League team to a Major League team.

So, finally the Canon stuff can go. Anyone interested in a well used 5D3 setup?

Fuji has beautiful body designs. However, I'm a FF shooter for long time. I'm a bit concern with the high ISO - crop Vs FF.

Can you give some feedbacks on high ISO(3200-6400) indoor/lower light?

Thanks in advance,

Piggy backing on the same question...

Yeah, I'm guessing you had an X-T1 or something before the new X-Pro2? Speaking to the IQ, high ISO stuff, how does it compare to the XTrans II or whatever in the XT-1, XT-10, X-E2?

 

[PhotoGuy]

@ Luds34
Lovely images. Love the two dudes in the bar. You hear everyone complaining about the 18mm and here you are, kicking ass with that "terrible" lens. Nice work!

With that said, 28mm and 35mm focal lengths (full frame) are pretty close to one another. So I picked up the 18mm f/2 to fill that role of the wide angle pancake like lens.

That is a very interesting thought. Great idea actually. I just have this aversion against 28mm because they are so highly overused by all the smartphones - maybe I should change that :

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The only similarity between the Canon M and the Fuji X is the word mirrorless

You are right, there are maaany differences. Like price for instance. Or reliability. Or customer care.
Just see the complaints about the X-Pro 2 resetting all its features by itself. Boy I'd be pissed if my 1800€ brand new camera played these games on me during a shoot. It would fly directly into the bin! (ok, maybe ebay, but you get the point )
Contrast this to the cheapest Canon entry level body you can get for what? 300€? Super reliable for years to come! Having a "Pro" in the productname does not mean anything.
I get it, you are excited about your new camera - and rightly so. As was I. Enjoy and shoot the hell out of it! But you have to stay realistic and skeptical for the first few months before you influence others based on a yet unqualified opinion based mostly on online-marketing influenced by fuji (the fuji hype-train is strong).

Can you give some feedbacks on high ISO(3200-6400) indoor/lower light?

Be careful with that. ISO 1600 on Fuji equals the same light gathering as ISO 800 on Canon or Nikon. Just something to consider. Oh yeah sure Fuji is arguing that its ISO is meassured correctly by the proper standard and everything. But the fact remains. Canons and Nikons have 1 Stop more light gathering because their ISO Standards are more demanding than the lazy ones used by mirrorless.

For those who are serious with mirrorless and just not have a Leica-looking camera then buy a Sony full frame.

I wouldn't say that.

I just purchased a X-pro 1 used and a 27mm pancake which is tiny and jacket pocketable. I am honestly really surprised by the camera.

Congratulations! You have done it beautifully. Try it out cheap and careful with nothing too lose. You won't be hyped or disappointed and will have a much clearer understanding of what the fuji system is and what it is not. Enjoy your camera!

I've had the original EOS M since the fire sale, way back. As much as I love it I've recently not been using it due to it's limitations in speed. It's slow to start up, slow to focus and the shutter lag is even slower. By the time you get around to it the person has moved or their expression has changed!

Was looking into the Fuji system [...] I think that would do most of what I need but then it's not exactly pocketable!
Trying really hard to not just buy gear and use what I got but EOS M is making that hard!

I was wondering. Maybe a newer M body would solve your problem without spending a fortune? Have you tried the M10 for instance? It is much like the original M but with improved speed. I'd looove to get your Feedback on this!

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And my ultimate bottom line, what drew me to Fuji to begin with is image quality. Canon cannot give me the image quality I get with the Fuji system at this point.

How exactly do you define image quality for your needs?


In general when comparing Eos M and Fuji it is always important to not forget the massive price difference. Yeah Fuji is nice (I shoot one myself) but the price + the pricedrop after a few months / years is insane!
Even the lenses are no different. I read a few weeks ago by a fuji fanatic about how the fuji 60mm macro is getting a bit old in its tooth and should be replaced. IT'S FREAKING 4 YEARS OLD. Thats nothing for a lens! Why not build it properly from the get go?!

Guys, this thread is so exciting! A honest and unbiased comparison of two amazing systems by people respecting each other. Very rare to witness online

 

[Haydn1971]

Has anyone had any lengthy experience with the Samyang/Rokinon options - in particular the 50mm f1.2 on EOS-M ?

 

[Refurb7]

Has anyone had any lengthy experience with the Samyang/Rokinon options - in particular the 50mm f1.2 on EOS-M ?

Check out Dustin Abbott's review and image gallery —
http://dustinabbott.net/2016/03/rokinon-50mm-f1-2-as-umc-review/

 

[Zv]

@ Photoguy - I think you're right and I'll probably just buy an EOS M2 pretty soon, I've delayed the inevitable long enough! The M10 doesn't have that little grip at the front which makes using it more like a P&S. The M2 solves the AF problem and adds Wifi (which kinda takes care of tilt screen ability in a way). Plus the M2 is dirt cheap now on the used market.

I think Fuji makes sense as a primary set up rather than a secondary / back-up camera. The amount you'd potentially invest in it would make you wanna use it like a primary. I like the cheapness of the EOS M, it's more of a fun bonus camera for non essential shooting.

 

[minim2]

use to own 6D + 85 II + sigma 35 art + 24-70 II + 16-35 f4 IS + 600 rt + younguno trigger

bought xt10 + 35 1.4 + 18-55 initially as a hiking camera and end up having below combination currently

6D + 85 1.8 + 17-40 + flash setup
xt10 + 56 1.2 + 35 1.4 + 23 1.4 + 14 2.8 + 18-55 (i will get 90 f2 as well)

I am canon user for more than 13 years so 6D will stay, i simply cannot get rid of it but after 2 kids, traveling full frame with all those lenses (or even 2 lens setup) was no longer practical.

here are my 2 cents in terms of usage:

I looked hard at lens lineup of different providers and in the end went for fuji because of their awesome primes + significant improvements in firmware upgrades.

IQ - excellent and since it is light and small - I carry and use it more

for travel fuji is no brainer for me.
for sports, even 6D is better than my xt10 (at least in my hand) - i noticed that af in continuous tracking drains battery very rapidly
saving in weight is significant with no compromise in lens quality.
earlier i tried eos-m and 100D but didn't like them.
battery life sucks so i carry 4
flash - my younguno rt + 600 ex works on xt10 in manual mode but again i feel this also drains battery fast.
JPEG/colors from fuji is too cool.. i shoot raw+jpeg but rarely use raw from fuji anymore + I like their B+W presets/film replications.
trigger trap cable for 100D works fine on xt10 so I am assuming canon remote may also work.
place I stay is very humid and I realized that I no longer reach for 6D that much so it is kept in dry cabinet (first time ever).
with lighter and smaller camera body - tripod weight and bag sizes are also reduced for me. I am planning to sell all those big bags I have bought over the period of time.

 

[minim2]

fuji xt10 and 18-55 (this lens is awesome). during one of our hike in hk. This is fuji jpeg.

 

[Haydn1971]

Check out Dustin Abbott's review and image gallery —
http://dustinabbott.net/2016/03/rokinon-50mm-f1-2-as-umc-review/

Yes I have read Dustin's review - very positive and good to hear from Dustin who appears to have a similar taste in lens rendition as me.

Dustin, do you have any images of the Samyang 50mm and Canon EF-M 18-55 next to each other ?

 

[Hillsilly]

...Contrast this to the cheapest Canon entry level body you can get for what? 300€? Super reliable for years to come! Having a "Pro" in the productname does not mean anything....

...Be careful with that. ISO 1600 on Fuji equals the same light gathering as ISO 800 on Canon or Nikon....

LOL - My favourite camera is a Fuji GA645. It has "Professional" emblazoned in big gold lettering across the front just to remind everyone who's the boss.

I had an X100 that had sticky aperture blades, which was a bit worrying at the time. But across the board, I can't think of many camera launches from any manufacturer in recent years that didn't have a bug or two and I don't think Canon is any exception. I hadn't heard about this resetting problem until googling it after reading it here, but at least it should be an easy software fix rather than a serious mechanical failure.

Why manufacturers release products with flaws, I don't know. But it seems to be becoming more common and Fuji isn't the exception.

Recently, Lens Rentals took apart a Fuji lens - https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/02/the-long-awaited-scary-and-amazing-fuji-lens-teardown

From that, I get the impression that Fuji lenses are made to the sort of quality that you'd expect for the price paid. Also, Fuji repair centres (should you need them) are well regarded with good turn around times. There was some information on this site recently which showed Fuji and Canon as reasonably comparable in relation to repairs.

With my X100 repair, it was a free repair (despite being outside of warranty) and the camera came back in about two weeks with a new lens assembly. Anecdotally, most Fuji repairs seem to go as smoothly.

Re ISO,under the standard adopted by Canon, Fuji and others, camera manufacturers assign ISO based on what they perceive gives the optimal exposure at a certain exposure value. EG, if you are shooting at F/4 for 1/30s, what is the ISO needed to get an accurate exposure given a certain amount of ambient lighting? Fuji might say ISO1200 and Canon might say ISO 800. Fuji have released details as to their approach to explain the factors they take into account, but in itself, ISO is an arbitrary figure and irrelevant for serious comparisons. That's why most reviewers will typically shoot with the same aperture and shutter speed, but varying ISO when giving noise comparisons. When you take that approach, Fuji sensors tend to perform as well as the best APS-C sensors. Many people prefer Fuji noise as the X-Trans sensor gives a more random pattern. I rarely shoot at high ISOs so I can't really say if there is any truth to that.

Re Canon ISOs, so many post production videos have a step where they boost the shadows or the blacks. Does this mean that their ISOs are too low? Maybe they should be increased to match Fuji? The benefit of the Fuji sensor is that it can retain details in highlights and maybe if Canon were to do the same thing, they would blow the highlights?

 

[SithTracy]

Been a Canon shooter for a while (5D Mark III), but I injured myself and was put on weight restrictions. I still enjoy my photography and occasionally it supplements my income. I started with an Fujifilm X100S before the injury as a walkabout camera... loved it. After the injury I ended up looking at the X-Pro1, liked it, but the X-T1 had better AF performance and the viewfinder was wonderful. I ended up picking one up. It was no DSLR, but the images were absolutely stunning and it was usable as a portrait camera. Picked up the 56mm F1.2, 35 F1.4, recently the 90mm F2.0 (along with the kit 18-55 which is darn good).

Some people gripe about the ISO performance; about 16 megapixals. Adobe Lightroom is not the tool for Fujifilm RAW files. That may turn you off. Iridient Developer does the best job, but right now it is OS X only (Mac). The images are stunning and it is a joy to shoot.

I never considered the EOS-M, native lenses were lacking. Sony? No thanks... Again, lacking in native lenses, and I was never a fan of Sony consumer electronics or their customer service. Pretty cool camera tech, but my Canon FF gear works just fine (it's just heavy). I like the Fujifilm kit as it is quite lightweight.

Fujifilm has impressed me. And I have grown quite fond of them. I cannot give up my 5D Mark III though. Speedlite work, sports, you need the AF speed and tracking and a more vast collection of lenses)

This was shot with the X-T1 and the 56mm Fujinon F1.2 lens:

I recently got the X-Pro2... Have a love/hate relationship with it. It will be a great camera, but right now it is buggy and I am considering sending it back. I don't like to pay $1700 to be a beta tester. Firmware bugs plague it, but that's not saying I don't enjoy using it. I have a little time before I need to return it. Hoping it gets a firmware update soon (Fujifilm support told me to sit tight). Fujifilm does a great job with updates.

 

[Efka76]

fuji xt10 and 18-55 (this lens is awesome). during one of our hike in hk. This is fuji jpeg.

I am sorry, however, I really can not say that lenses are awesome by looking at this image. I guess our perception regarding quality is really different. If I make such quality image I would delete it No offence

Also, I can not understand people who want to change Canon FF equipment to Fuji. You can not compare FF and APS-C sensors. Also, Fuji's lenses are quite expensive and even more expensive that Canon's equivalents. Fuji is for amateurs, I have never seen anyone who would be shooting Fuji on weddings, studio shootings, sports shootings. In my opinion, Fuji with cheapest lenses is good for street photography.

 

[Zv]

Decided not to go the Fuji route and stick with Canon instead for my mirrorless needs. Got myself a 'like new' but used EOS M2 from Amazon.jp this week for a piddly amount compared to those Fujis. Going to test it out properly tomorrow at an event with lots of people moving around at a parade. Initial tests at home were positive; focuses significantly faster than the M1 especially with my 11-22 lens. The 22/2 is still slow, my conclusion there is that it's the lens and not the camera. Going to try some adapted lens tests too.

 

[Haydn1971]

Decided not to go the Fuji route and stick with Canon instead for my mirrorless needs.

After pondering for a while, I've come to a similar conclusion, I've got the EOS-M, I've already got the 22mm and 18-55mm, might treat myself to the 11-22 and 55-200 at some point in the future, unless something hot comes along this year such as some new EF-M primes... Stick to using my 6D mostly, save the EOS-M for work use and for when I'm hill walking and don't want to carry heavy gear.

 

[PhotoGuy]

Decided not to go the Fuji route and stick with Canon instead for my mirrorless needs. Got myself a 'like new' but used EOS M2 from Amazon.jp this week for a piddly amount compared to those Fujis. Going to test it out properly tomorrow at an event with lots of people moving around at a parade. Initial tests at home were positive; focuses significantly faster than the M1 especially with my 11-22 lens. The 22/2 is still slow, my conclusion there is that it's the lens and not the camera. Going to try some adapted lens tests too.

How does the M2 with the 22mm compare to the original M? No improvement at all or not as big as the 11-22?

Anybody else noticed the M10 with the 15-45 dropping to 320€? Thats a very good price ...

 

[Zv]

Decided not to go the Fuji route and stick with Canon instead for my mirrorless needs.

After pondering for a while, I've come to a similar conclusion, I've got the EOS-M, I've already got the 22mm and 18-55mm, might treat myself to the 11-22 and 55-200 at some point in the future, unless something hot comes along this year such as some new EF-M primes... Stick to using my 6D mostly, save the EOS-M for work use and for when I'm hill walking and don't want to carry heavy gear.

I took the EOS M2 out for the first time this weekend. I primarily used the 50 STM via EF adaptor. That combo is really nice. You have to make sure not to defocus too much and keep the focus in the range you want it (like say about 10 feet away) and from that point on the AF works really well. The speed was on par with a Rebel series camera. Very much useable. I also shot with the 22/2 which did OK too.

Got a decent amount of keepers and these weren't exactly static subjects. See for yourself.

https://flic.kr/s/aHskwzj8YB

 

[Zv]

Decided not to go the Fuji route and stick with Canon instead for my mirrorless needs. Got myself a 'like new' but used EOS M2 from Amazon.jp this week for a piddly amount compared to those Fujis. Going to test it out properly tomorrow at an event with lots of people moving around at a parade. Initial tests at home were positive; focuses significantly faster than the M1 especially with my 11-22 lens. The 22/2 is still slow, my conclusion there is that it's the lens and not the camera. Going to try some adapted lens tests too.

How does the M2 with the 22mm compare to the original M? No improvement at all or not as big as the 11-22?

Anybody else noticed the M10 with the 15-45 dropping to 320€? Thats a very good price ...

Not sure I understand the question. The M2 with the 22mm is overall slightly smaller. AF is a tad faster too. The 11-22 though focuses a lot faster, it always did.

That 15-45 is dropping a fair bit on Amazon.jp already which is surprise. In comparison the 11-22 is the same price at what I bought it at. That was a while ago. It's held it's value well and I can see why - it's a quality lens!

M10 was gonna drop no matter. All of the Ms did.