Future 7D Mark III

[rrcphoto]

On-chip ADC would be my favorite addition, due to increase in image quality. That's a certainty, as even the 80D has that now.

I'd also like to see the tilty/flippy. I've had about 10 ticks on me over the past few days while rolling in leaf litter getting pictures of lady slippers. There's no good reason for the anti t/f snobbery.

Putting the 5D4's 30mp sensor, or something thereabouts is perfectly doable with 10 fps. I'd rather see the fps stay at ten and the mp rise than the other way around.

The 7DII 20mp APS-C sensor is more dense than the 5DIV 30 mp FF sensor. By my calculations, the new 24 mp APS-C sensor would scale up to 62mp full frame. Could that be the path to a 5DsII? Not that big an mp bump, but dual pixel and on board ADC would be part of the package.

5Ds is probably getting the 120mp sensor.

 

[unfocused]

Definitely will have:

WiFi/Bluetooth/NFC
GPS (already there, so I don't know why people are even talking about this)
Multiple f8 focus points
Improvements in autofocus and weathersealing

Likely to have:

Slightly higher frame rate (12 fps)
Full feature touch screen
Higher Megapixel Count (28mp minimum)
4K Video
Next generation of the 5D focus shift

Won't have:
Tilt/flip screen
Hybrid viewfinder

Uncertain:
CFast slot

With their new generation of sensors, the old trade off between megapixels and noise is not nearly as great as it once was -- See the 5DIV vs. 1DXII. While I would personally prefer lower megapixel count and better high ISO performance, I'm not sure Canon sees it as an either/or proposition anymore.

Improvements will be evolutionary, not revolutionary.

 

[IglooEater]

How many people use the built-in flash on the 7Ds anyway?

I know a few who own 7D's and they all do. It's an acceptable solution for optically triggering speedlights, and a good deal less expensive than getting Canon's proprietary radio triggers. The case can be made that a Yongnuo RT might be more effective and as cost-effective.

In this context, however, where it's "crappy built-in flash OR wifi/GPS", I'd rather have the wifi and GPS and put a 90EX in my pocket for when I need an optical master, or a bit of fill. But maybe that's just me. No one was talking about taking the flash away in exchange for nothing, though.

Fair enough. I'd rather keep the pop up flash as I have no use for wifi or gps.

 

[Mikehit]

To say they want the 7D3 to have the same AF as the 1Dx2 is way too simplistic. AF is a combination of metering sensor (7D = 150,000pixel, 1Dx2 is 300,000), processing power (number of processors), algorithms (they are apparently pretty much the same) and battery power to drive the lenses (no comparison, and never will be). Where the reasons lie for the twitchiness of the 7D2 I don't know but the 5DIV uses a 150,000 sensor, the same battery, and the same system as the 1Dx2 so who knows...maybe it is to do with the relative sizes off the sensor and the metering sensor.

I think the only things that would be significant move for the 7D3 is higher DR sensor and tilting screen.

 

[greger]

I'm ready to trade in my 7D for the long time coming 7Dlll. If there's no articulating LCD I'll get the 80D.

 

[djack41]

Canon has a steep hill to top Nikon's D500 and 200-500mm combo. In regards to ISO performance, Canon is apparently hitting a wall with its sensor technology, as evidenced by the modest gain of the 1DX2. I vote for less MP in exchange for 2 stop ISO performance and improved frame rate. Definitely time for a tilt screen.

 

[privatebydesign]

In regards to ISO performance, Canon is apparently hitting a wall with its sensor technology, as evidenced by the modest gain of the 1DX2. I vote for less MP in exchange for 2 stop ISO performance and improved frame rate. Definitely time for a tilt screen.

The 1DX MkII bests the D5 at pretty much every measurable data point. Neither is close to a stop better or worse at anything, ISO, noise, DR etc anywhere, the falacy that Canon is behind is laughable now they are only using on chip ADC's.

Mind you anybody that still buys into the myth that mp is related to ISO performance clearly needs to do some reading up. There isn't 2 stops of difference at same sized output between the 5DSR, with 50mp and off sensor ADC's, and the 5D MkIV with 30mp and on chip ADC's.

 

[Aussie shooter]

Doesn't anyone want to ditch the AA filter? The superior IQ of the 5DSR when cropped over the current 7DII is clear. I'd like a switchable AA. Faster mirror? Only if it can have lessened slap. Better AF? Yes. More mp? Ok for fast lenses but slow telephotos are diffraction limited now. On-chip ADC is taken for granted now.

Good point. Removal of AA filter is a pretty good idea.

I can't see a big bump in MP. It is not needed. 24 would be plenty but I would hope it is a newer(read better at high ISO) sensor than the 80d. The Nikon D500 is how many stops better than the 7d in regards to noise. 1/2 to 1? On chip ADC and 2 years of research over the 80d should take care of most of that I would hope but we will see. Def also would hope for more F8 points.

 

[pwp]

How many people use the built-in flash on the 7Ds anyway?

I know a few who own 7D's and they all do. It's an acceptable solution for optically triggering speedlights, and a good deal less expensive than getting Canon's proprietary radio triggers. The case can be made that a Yongnuo RT might be more effective and as cost-effective.

That's hilarious. I've had a 7DII for 18 months and didn't even know it had a built in flash. I'd never use it anyway. It's mainly used as a second body to a 1DX shooting commissioned sports assignments. In my experience the 7DII AF is a match for the 1DX based on percentage of keepers tracking action. I love it.

OP don't hold your breath, I'd say the 7DIII is a long way off yet. I'd put money on 2019.

-pw

 

[ronaldbyram]

How many people use the built-in flash on the 7Ds anyway?

I know a few who own 7D's and they all do. It's an acceptable solution for optically triggering speedlights, and a good deal less expensive than getting Canon's proprietary radio triggers. The case can be made that a Yongnuo RT might be more effective and as cost-effective.

In this context, however, where it's "crappy built-in flash OR wifi/GPS", I'd rather have the wifi and GPS and put a 90EX in my pocket for when I need an optical master, or a bit of fill. But maybe that's just me. No one was talking about taking the flash away in exchange for nothing, though.

I use the flash on when I dont have my 580ex II handy. but I would prefer a better wifi/GPS. I love tagging my pictures but the GPS takes so long to lock in when activated. I hope there is an improvement.

 

[ronaldbyram]

Hey gang! First Great conversation/feedback on the future wish list for a 7D3. I had not considered some of the options/features?

For me some of my wishes for improvement would have to be. AA filter option and then a faster buffer. I try to shoot in RAW for fast sports and I find the buffer filling up. So I have to run in JPG to keep up. Does that mean CFAST?

I would like to have a touch screen. I have a 70D as backup and love it.
I would like to see a boost in ISO. maybe that will mean a next gen of sensor? but Not a 1 mil like nikon

I like using the GPS feature. but it takes the camera (mine) so long to Lock in when activated some of my pictures are not tagged. if at all. So an improvement there would be great. if that mean losing flash I could live with that. if the iso is boosted.

 

[K]

Unlike all the crippling and nonsense in other lines, the 7D2 is very well specced.

All a 7D3 would need is ---

A new sensor, with the on-chip ADC for better DR. This is a given.
Touch Screen (doesn't even need to be tilt or articulating, as that compromises the rugged, pro build quality).

Other nice things might include -

1 more FPS just to show progress.
Newer better connectivity options.
An opportunity to finally implemented UHS-II or a faster card for faster buffer clearing.

But really, just a new sensor and touch screen would be enough to keep the 7D3 completely on par or ahead in its category. The 6D line on the other hand, lags far behind the competition and the 6D2 is unlikely to change that. So 7D owners be happy!

 

[BasXcanon]

Guys don't get all too excited as the unleash of the Mark III might take longer as people are suggesting here.
But it will be like this.

-20MP with increased Iso and DR performance.
-Double 7 DIGIC (off course)
-12-14 FPS
-16FPS during live view (1DXm2)
-Autofocus Cases for Dualpixel focus control
-Strong AA filter will be implemented to deal with Feather pattern issues.
-Video 4K, 30fps at smallest crop possible and can't be recorded on external SSD, just like 5Dm4
-Video 1080P records on external SSD (pro-res)
-Electronic Video stability, from the M5/800D
-Diffraction correction applied to the photos.
-Buffer on-pair with competition, but slightly below the 1DXm2
-Autofocus system from the 5Dm4
-More autofocus points with F8 lenses like the 5Dm4
-Touchscreen and Wifi and Bluetooth
-3'2 back screen and increased resolution.
-Priced €2000, bad mouthed on youtube and the forums

 

[SteveM]

Nikon can manage to provide wifi and a pop up flash (D7200; D750) so I can't see why Canon can't. Lack of a pop up isn't a deal breaker for me personally as I have other options when I don't wish to carry a 430 or 600 (not everybody is fortunate enough to have more than 1 camera body though). Better high ISO noise is a deal breaker if not achieved.
Personally I have no interest in gps.

 

[Don Haines]

Nikon can manage to provide wifi and a pop up flash (D7200; D750) so I can't see why Canon can't.

Being as Canon already has the 80D, 70D, 77D, T7i, T6s, T6i, and T6 with WiFi and a pop-up flash, I am pretty sure that Canon has the ability to do so as well.....

 

[Rockskipper]

I like the popup flash and use it a lot for action indoor pet photos (I have 3 dogs and 3 cats and they are very entertaining). After using the tilt screen on my M5, I can say it's come in very handy and would be nice.

 

[K]

Guys don't get all too excited as the unleash of the Mark III might take longer as people are suggesting here.

No doubt about that. Won't see it till late 2018 the earliest. I'm thinking the 5DS and 5DSR would get an updated sensor before the 7D3 comes out. Then again, if users are happy with the 5DS as is, then Canon will milk that for as long as they can...

-12-14 FPS
-16FPS during live view (1DXm2)

Not a chance.

 

[ahsanford]

2019 at the earliest. Canon's cycle refresh times never (ever) get shorter as time goes on as they are creating new lines of cameras that add the weight of the pipeline.

But expect a considerably better sensor, touchscreen implementation like the 5D4, and probably a small boost in fps. There will be other little things, I'm sure, but the screaming need will be the sensor. Due to its place in the cycle refresh queue, this will be the last rig to get the on-chip ADC hotness.

...when it comes out in 2019. The D500 would have to be stealing large numbers of 7D2 sales to get Canon to change gears and deploy a 7D3 any sooner, and we've seen zero evidence of that publicly.

- A

 

[SteveM]

Just been comparing the 7D Mkll with the Nikon D500 over on 'Image Comparimeter' - a 7D mkll file at 800 iso looks very similar to a D500 file at 3200 iso. 2 stops difference. Is the gap really that big? Anybody found any other evidence to support or refute this?

 

[Mikehit]

Just been comparing the 7D Mkll with the Nikon D500 over on 'Image Comparimeter' - a 7D mkll file at 800 iso looks very similar to a D500 file at 3200 iso. 2 stops difference. Is the gap really that big? Anybody found any other evidence to support or refute this?

I don't agree with your conclusion.