Ray2021 said:
thats kind of like me and Tamron
I do know i've got the 85 f1.4 and its flat out awesome so I really really want to give the new 35 a go
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thats kind of like me and Tamron
I do know i've got the 85 f1.4 and its flat out awesome so I really really want to give the new 35 a go
This is where Sigma's USB Dock might come in handy ... I am hoping it would solve many of their AF & OS issues ... if it does, its good news for customers.Mt Spokane Photography said:
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Realistically, I don't know what to expect next from them, but I know what I can dream about.
They are coming out with a new 30mm f/1.4 for crop cameras, and I'd bet huge that it's going to be very nice. Not sure I want to buy anymore crop lenses, though. The 35mm looks more than good enough to work toward buying.
My dream lens (I know that's another thread, and I'll post this there too when I feel like looking for it)...would be...a very fast medium zoom. It's probably impossible to design and/or build, but here it is: A 60-115mm f/0.8. Even throw in 5 stop IS, or "OS". Expensive? Sigma's version would probably cost $12,000, and Canon's would cost $1 trillion. (Or maybe by then, with the coming inflation, it would cost a $Googleplex) Canon's would be part white, part metallic black, some exotic nano paint finish...with a red stripe around the front made from the red paint chipped off a museum-stored Ferrari 250 GTO. And every snob whose day job is plastic surgery or pro ball, would own one...they'd happily fire two of their collection of mistresses to help fund it.
If Sigma built it, everybody who couldn't quite spring for $12,000, would slam it as overpriced crap that is useless, with terrible bokeh!! "Another Sigma product not worth owning." They would say the tripod mount is made from cheap plastic, old ground up tinker toys and play-dohhh.
They could call it Da Vinci, The Literati, Michelangelo, Sistine Chapel, "the scream", the "magic bowling ball"..."The Return of the Gangsta Dali"...."Lindsay Lohan's Little Helper"...or whatever! Canon would just call theirs the "EIL Mark Nought", for "extreme infinite luxury". There would be waiting lists...and the product would be announced 10 years in advance of it hitting the shelves. Their top photographers, would of course get to use working samples the day the first prototype is produced, and would happily wave that in our faces. Shots would be taken using it, of Richard Branson entwined weightless with a nude supermodel who could care less, in his spaceship. Annie Leibovitz's shoot would include Mick Jagger dressed in a pink pirate outfit on a beach...
They are coming out with a new 30mm f/1.4 for crop cameras, and I'd bet huge that it's going to be very nice. Not sure I want to buy anymore crop lenses, though. The 35mm looks more than good enough to work toward buying.
My dream lens (I know that's another thread, and I'll post this there too when I feel like looking for it)...would be...a very fast medium zoom. It's probably impossible to design and/or build, but here it is: A 60-115mm f/0.8. Even throw in 5 stop IS, or "OS". Expensive? Sigma's version would probably cost $12,000, and Canon's would cost $1 trillion. (Or maybe by then, with the coming inflation, it would cost a $Googleplex) Canon's would be part white, part metallic black, some exotic nano paint finish...with a red stripe around the front made from the red paint chipped off a museum-stored Ferrari 250 GTO. And every snob whose day job is plastic surgery or pro ball, would own one...they'd happily fire two of their collection of mistresses to help fund it.
If Sigma built it, everybody who couldn't quite spring for $12,000, would slam it as overpriced crap that is useless, with terrible bokeh!! "Another Sigma product not worth owning." They would say the tripod mount is made from cheap plastic, old ground up tinker toys and play-dohhh.
They could call it Da Vinci, The Literati, Michelangelo, Sistine Chapel, "the scream", the "magic bowling ball"..."The Return of the Gangsta Dali"...."Lindsay Lohan's Little Helper"...or whatever! Canon would just call theirs the "EIL Mark Nought", for "extreme infinite luxury". There would be waiting lists...and the product would be announced 10 years in advance of it hitting the shelves. Their top photographers, would of course get to use working samples the day the first prototype is produced, and would happily wave that in our faces. Shots would be taken using it, of Richard Branson entwined weightless with a nude supermodel who could care less, in his spaceship. Annie Leibovitz's shoot would include Mick Jagger dressed in a pink pirate outfit on a beach...
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jhanken said:
I agree that Sigma has the better option for Canon users with their 50 but it would benefit from a redo, not just optically, but because so many have complained of issues with the AF, that too. But really as nice as the bokeh with the lens could be a lot sharper to compete with the Canon (as much as all Canon's 50 1.4 is good at is that) especially with the edges and corners, the MTF for that area is non existent until F/5.6 and the plane finally equals at F/8. And will it be a hit? Now that I have the Siggy 35 I don't have much of a need for 50, and the new design will mean it could very much be more expensive, and let's say $500+, can't tell how popular it'll be then...
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a new 50 1.4 with the optical performance of the zeiss makro planar t* 50mm f/2 ze and no af-issues would be amazing 
! if the wide open performance is good as the performance of the sigma 35mm 1.4 it would be even more amazing. can't wait until they announce a new 50... but maybe canon is faster.
! if the wide open performance is good as the performance of the sigma 35mm 1.4 it would be even more amazing. can't wait until they announce a new 50... but maybe canon is faster.
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I do own a Sigma 50mm f/1.4 though and I have been very happy with it...That lens has been on sale lately for under $400 and is a really good alternative. I would be interested in seeing it upgraded in the Art Line, tho... It is great to see Sigma improving the products and their service..I like lower-cost alternatives but I LOVE lower-cost leaders-of-the-pack!
On the other hand....after reading some of the compatibility issues on Sigma products on evolutionary upgraded Canon camera bodies..it would give me some pause on spending any "real" money on a Sigma lens without a guarantee of firmware update capabilities for new Canon bodies. The company seems to be addressing this issue with the lens dock....but their past performance with that issue is unsettling.
On the other hand....after reading some of the compatibility issues on Sigma products on evolutionary upgraded Canon camera bodies..it would give me some pause on spending any "real" money on a Sigma lens without a guarantee of firmware update capabilities for new Canon bodies. The company seems to be addressing this issue with the lens dock....but their past performance with that issue is unsettling.
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I would like to see 24-105mm f4 OS. The Canon version is a bit date, and still expensive; and eventually it will be discontinued, which would leave us only the very expensive 24-70 f2.8 and the slighlty less expensive 24-70 f4 IS. So a Sigma alternative in this area would be very nice, and also a big hit, if Canon really discontinues the 24-105.
The price of a decent standard zooms is a deal breaker for me to going full frame. First I would have to strech my budget to go with a 6D, and then I have to invest another grand into a standard zoom. So I'm still hoping for a nice 70D (like the 50D, just with a modern sensor and wifi+gps).
The price of a decent standard zooms is a deal breaker for me to going full frame. First I would have to strech my budget to go with a 6D, and then I have to invest another grand into a standard zoom. So I'm still hoping for a nice 70D (like the 50D, just with a modern sensor and wifi+gps).
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aj1575 said:
???? I have seen the Canon 24-105mm online at reputable retailers lately for under $800. I doubt that you can pick up a lens of that quality at a price like that from ANY manufacturer. ..Sigma's Art Line Version (if there was one), would undoubtably cost more....
Is it a perfect lens, no...but at current prices it is a very good value.
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Dianoda said:
My Issue is with cost tbh, im full frame and need to shoot wide angle but fast for video and landscape.
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aj1575 said:
I don't see Canon dropping the 24-105mm f/4 without replacing it with some other reasonably priced kit lens.
If Sigma brings out a competing lens, I'd rather see something a bit longer, e.g. 24-120mm f/4 like Nikon's.
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aj1575 said:
Depending on where you live, this information mightn't be very helpful, but right now via B&H you can get a 6D + 24-105L kit for a mere $2450.00, with free shipping and, unless you're in NY, no sales tax - which strikes me as being a remarkable bargain.
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Ellen, I agree, a more extended-range zoom would be great, and is actually a realistic goal, as opposed to my dream lens. How about a 24-120 f/4, or even a 24-110 f/3.5 with OS? Sigma could probably sell that for around $1k. If it was very good optically, they could even start to cut seriously into Nikon and Canon market share.
sdsr, do you own the Sigma 85 f/1.4? I want to rent that one at some point. I bought the Rokinon, and I like it a lot...but manual-only focus is a drag at times. Also not sure it is completely f/1.4, it seems a tad darker than that. I've owned several sigma products, even a camera...currently have the 17-50 f/2.8 OS, and love it. The only time I've been published, was using the older 17-70. They both have very rich color slightly on the warm side, which to me is best.
I agree, I think you're saying the Canon 24-105 is a good deal when it's a kit lens. If the price on that combo comes down any more, that's when I would buy it. I still want to see what used 6D's start selling for, though...not because I want to buy used, but I want to see how well it holds its value. If it's as low as $1150 or so, I think the 5D3 will hold its value better...percentage-wise. No doubt the first used 6D's will be very high, though...so will be hard to tell.
For me, the target for the kit lens combo would be $2200, or even $2100...if they really want to have a "sale"...or a huge rebate. Probably won't happen this year though. Depends what Nikon does next, I guess.
sdsr, do you own the Sigma 85 f/1.4? I want to rent that one at some point. I bought the Rokinon, and I like it a lot...but manual-only focus is a drag at times. Also not sure it is completely f/1.4, it seems a tad darker than that. I've owned several sigma products, even a camera...currently have the 17-50 f/2.8 OS, and love it. The only time I've been published, was using the older 17-70. They both have very rich color slightly on the warm side, which to me is best.
I agree, I think you're saying the Canon 24-105 is a good deal when it's a kit lens. If the price on that combo comes down any more, that's when I would buy it. I still want to see what used 6D's start selling for, though...not because I want to buy used, but I want to see how well it holds its value. If it's as low as $1150 or so, I think the 5D3 will hold its value better...percentage-wise. No doubt the first used 6D's will be very high, though...so will be hard to tell.
For me, the target for the kit lens combo would be $2200, or even $2100...if they really want to have a "sale"...or a huge rebate. Probably won't happen this year though. Depends what Nikon does next, I guess.
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CarlTN said:
Both options would be nice.
I think it would be harder for Sigma to compete with kit lenses, as kit sells a little cheaper than the separate components, so my guess is if Sigma would try to compete, it would try to beat the kit lenses in some additional way to price, e.g. a little faster (as in your f/3.5 example) or a little wider / longer.
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Ellen Schmidtee said:
a 24-105 f2.8 OS would be awesome
tamron made a 24-105 f2.8 before but by all accounts it wasnt worth using below f4
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Interesting. A lot of things would be awesome. How about my 60-115mm f/0.8 dream lens? Wouldn't it be awesome? I could really shoot some good wildlife in low light with that. I recall Leica had made a 90mm f/0.9 lens, or something like that. And Canon had an f/0.7 lens sometime, might have been in the 1960's. A really fast lens not only lets in enough light to help lower your ISO noise, but also lets in enough light for the AF to work. I admit it's not a realistic lens to wish for, haha. Probably impossible to design, as well...especially as a zoom. Probably vignette horribly, and have tons of CA.
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