Go small or go home (T4i)

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#21
I would think it unlikely that there would not be a T4i(?)/650D before the holiday shopping season this year. I would also think with all Canon's focus on higher-end cameras (5D3, 1DX, and cinema) so far this year, they won't neglect the lower-end all year but could easily bump an xxxD to September. While most of the xxxD have been February/March/April cameras, the Rebel/300D and XTi/400D were September cameras.

I also don't know what Canon might accomplish regarding improvements to the APS-C sensors this cycle (having been focused on FF and cinema sensors), but they have not been afraid in the past to have an xxxD sensor exceed their xxD sensor. I refer to the XTi/400D in September 2006 having 10.1 Mp while the 30D had 8.2 Mp and then again in March 2008 the XSi/450D having 12.2 Mp while the 40D had 10.1 Mp.

It would seen possible a new xxxD might have a Digic V and more in-camera processing features without a major change in sensor, in which case I would expect a significant sensor upgrade in either a 70D or 7D2 late this year or early next after the new xxxD. Once a 70D/7D2 is announced with an improved sensor, then I would expect any subsequent xxxD to have an improved sensor also. The further we get into the year for an APS-C camera announcement, the more likely it will involve an improved sensor.

However, April is not over yet and we may still get a camera announcement -- and don't forget the glass!

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Bamyo13 said:
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I'm positive it's fake.

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#24
Jordana said:
I've heard that there will be some announcements on the 16th.
I have been waiting for the announcement as well, I am so curious. It is so frustrating waiting. I was originally told that it would be released in February, then March an now it's April.

From what I've heard, there will be minor upgrades. Most that don't have anything to do with the quality of pictures (such as wifi capabilities and touch screen). I have decided to wait, even though I am very impatient. I figured that if I wait and I like the T4i, then I will thank myself. If I wait and find out I hate it, I still win because the T3i will become cheaper.

I hope you sort everything out. Good luck :)
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Interestingly, the Nikon D3200 will be announced during this timeline as well. Hopefully we will get better news in two weeks.
 
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#25
Wait. It is coming soon.

Canondirect has been blowing out their stock of Canon T3i refurbs, which is usually a pretty good sign of a new camera coming out.

I bought a refurb T3i with 18-55 kit lens for $617 shipped, with tax, a few weeks back. It had 179 shots on it.

But I needed a video capable body for a shoot on April 21. I had both the 5D3 and D800E on pre-order, but decided to wait a while on one of those.

I will probably buy a T4i for the likely improvements to video capture as much as anything else. I have always done well buying a Canon body when it first comes out, then selling in 2 years. True cost of ownership is Purchase Price - Sale Price.

On this type of camera it is about $100 per year. Not worth waiting to save maybe $50 in half a year. I just spent $250 on gas and meals to go up to the cottage for a week!

Cheers! Good luck!

Michael
 
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#27
wellfedCanuck said:
Arghhh!!!!!!!!!!!

D3200! ! My Nikon friends are giving me the gears!
Ye gods! Send us a sign!! Somebody photoshop something... make up a rumour... please...
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Tell them they can keep their 24 mp abomination. You would need to put some seriously expensive glass in front of a 24mp DX sensor to resolve that kind of detail. And if you can affort that kind of glass you would be buying the d800. Unfortunately, Nikon is likely taking their marketing cues from Canon and packing the highest megapixel count into the camera to cater to inexperienced consumers. Hopefully canon doesn't follow suit in the t4i. The only place in the canon lineup I could see a 24mp aps-c sensor would be a 7d mk II with f8 autofocus ability to cater to wildlife and bird photographers who need to most reach possible using $3000+ glass. Anything less than that and you would end up with finely detailed mush. Am I out to lunch with this assessment?
 
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#28
Who cares about megapixels. Any DSLR sold today has more than you need. Who cares how many megapixels the T4i is going to have. FWIW, one could outresolve a 24 mpix sensor with a 50/1.8

The key thing that sets the D3200 apart from Canon is the continuous video autofocus. I wonder if Canon can get this to work in time for the T4i.
 
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#29
Fact is, camera specs the likes of the D3200 even a year or two ago at the $699 price point would be considered insane. Like it or not, there is a LOT of value in it. I hope Canon at least matches the value, preferably, exceeds it.
 
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#30
So, here I am half way between boating season and ski season with a spare $K in my pocket. (That, in itself is an accomplishment for a 50 year old man with a large, busy family and too many hobbies.) I could finally upgrade my XT to a T4i, but the camera I really want is the 6D. (Okay, 5D3, but that ain't gonna happen.)

I could consider a 5D2 instead, but if the AF is anything like my friend's 60D in low light- it would be a disappointment for much of the photography that I do. (Although the majority of my images are typical family-oriented events in poorly-lit schools and arenas, what I really enjoy is landscape and aerial photography.) I didn't like the 60D and might consider the 7D but don't like the idea of buying a 3 year old camera that's due for a refresh and is not yet experiencing significant discounts.

But let's face it- realistically- I'm a wannabe, a hack- the sort of photographer you guys mock at public events. Taking a proper course has been on my list forever- am I going to appreciate or utilize the benefits that a FF camera would provide to me? Considering the 6D release date and waiting for a reasonable price-drop, is it worth the wait?

The money's burning a hole, talk me down off the ledge, guys... ;)
 
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wellfedCanuck said:
So, here I am half way between boating season and ski season with a spare $K in my pocket. (That, in itself is an accomplishment for a 50 year old man with a large, busy family and too many hobbies.) I could finally upgrade my XT to a T4i, but the camera I really want is the 6D. (Okay, 5D3, but that ain't gonna happen.)

I could consider a 5D2 instead, but if the AF is anything like my friend's 60D in low light- it would be a disappointment for much of the photography that I do. (Although the majority of my images are typical family-oriented events in poorly-lit schools and arenas, what I really enjoy is landscape and aerial photography.) I didn't like the 60D and might consider the 7D but don't like the idea of buying a 3 year old camera that's due for a refresh and is not yet experiencing significant discounts.

But let's face it- realistically- I'm a wannabe, a hack- the sort of photographer you guys mock at public events. Taking a proper course has been on my list forever- am I going to appreciate or utilize the benefits that a FF camera would provide to me? Considering the 6D release date and waiting for a reasonable price-drop, is it worth the wait?

The money's burning a hole, talk me down off the ledge, guys... ;)
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Well, to some experts here, buying a 60D will make you a dummy and buying a 6D will make you a sucker. Nice aren't they? Don't listen to them though, they're not the payers. I'd agree with you to forget about these older models. As for the 6D, according to whatever has been released and going by what the 5D3 can do in low light, it could well be the one that suits your photo style. I'd wait for the reviews and particularly re the focusing ability of these 11 points. The Nikon D600 has more but crammed in the bull's eye. So, let's wait a bit. What's sure is that you're gonna see a lot of difference with APS-C. Don't forget the lenses though. It might burn a hole in the other pocket.
 
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#32
Come on, if you're going to be a hack go big! Used 1D mk2. 1200-1400.00 You'll be The Camera Guy!
But seriously, what you want isn't out yet. Be patient, work on your skill set and consider your glass needs a bit more both artistically and scientifically. If you're going FF make wiser, long term decisions.
 
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#33
I stepped from the XT to the XTi to the T1i and now have the T3i. I can say with confidence that my T3i is 10x the camera that my XT was. More MP, better IQ, better ISO performance (though not 5D3 level, for sure), bigger/better LCD, more ergonomic, and better menu system. I mean, it's a whole new camera and well worth the upgrade!

The best thing is that it's still light and compact. I've carried it all over the world (camping) and have never had an issue with its lack of weather sealing or build-quality. The Rebel series is much maligned by purists in search of the ultimate IQ (don't we all fit into that category on some level?), but they fail to appreciate its advantages: size matters.
 
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miah said:
I stepped from the XT to the XTi to the T1i and now have the T3i. I can say with confidence that my T3i is 10x the camera that my XT was. More MP, better IQ, better ISO performance (though not 5D3 level, for sure), bigger/better LCD, more ergonomic, and better menu system. I mean, it's a whole new camera and well worth the upgrade!

The best thing is that it's still light and compact. I've carried it all over the world (camping) and have never had an issue with its lack of weather sealing or build-quality. The Rebel series is much maligned by purists in search of the ultimate IQ (don't we all fit into that category on some level?), but they fail to appreciate its advantages: size matters.
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I have larger hands AND arthritis. I had a hell of a time with the T2i and even to some extent the 7D. The 5D3 is perfect for ergonomics. Now I'm looking into getting a 1v to replace my Elan 7 for the same reasons.
 
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wellfedCanuck said:
But let's face it- realistically- I'm a wannabe, a hack- the sort of photographer you guys mock at public events. Taking a proper course has been on my list forever- am I going to appreciate or utilize the benefits that a FF camera would provide to me? Considering the 6D release date and waiting for a reasonable price-drop, is it worth the wait?
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Don't sweat it man. The real photographers at those events are nice guys, they'll talk to you and give you their card if they have one. It's the other amateurs you need to watch out for - they're the ones eyeballing your lens for the red stripe.

I think given the proximity to the 6D's intended release and the complete unknown it adds into the equation, plus the fact that're going to be using it outdoors a lot and might make use of the GPS, you should wait for the 6D before you make any decisions. It's tempting to just buy in right now, but nothing is worse than jumping into last year's tech right on the upgrade cycle and feeling remorseful right away.
 
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