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Thanks for the help guys. Everyone has talked about the quality of L glass. Has anyone used Tamron's 24-70 Di VC? From what little I have read it's not a bad value. Seems like the going prices are $900+ new. Might be worth taking a look at for me at least since I am just a hobbyist.
Also Sigma's 35mm 1.4 since we are talking non-Canon lenses.
Also Sigma's 35mm 1.4 since we are talking non-Canon lenses.
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I know your set on a 6D and FF is the danglies but consider the 7D for just a second.
My thoughts as to why -
8fps comes in really handy for moving targets.
19 cross type AF points and AF modes to help keep said target in focus.
Better ergonomic design than the 6D, IMO.
Built like a tank (toddler proof?? Hmmm maybe)
Cheap - with the money saved buy better lenses.
Kids are tough to capture. They move around a lot so you need a camera that will keep up. The image quality will only really improve via good lighting and technique. Also maybe via expensive L lens! Going FF does improve IQ but in real life your friends and family won't be able to tell the difference.
My thoughts as to why -
8fps comes in really handy for moving targets.
19 cross type AF points and AF modes to help keep said target in focus.
Better ergonomic design than the 6D, IMO.
Built like a tank (toddler proof?? Hmmm maybe)
Cheap - with the money saved buy better lenses.
Kids are tough to capture. They move around a lot so you need a camera that will keep up. The image quality will only really improve via good lighting and technique. Also maybe via expensive L lens! Going FF does improve IQ but in real life your friends and family won't be able to tell the difference.
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Zv said:
Thanks for the advice! Definitely something I will consider. I know glass is more important than the body. I have heard nothing but good things about the 6D's low ISO capability. How is the 7D's? Mainly just thinking about indoor pics where I don't want to use a flash.
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Ginger Jay said:
The 6D's fps is more than adequate for family captures. If you were shooting fast-paced sports where an extra 5-6 shots were vital, then the 7D would be a no-brainer. However, if you plan on shooting in low light without a flash living on your hotshoe, then the 6D would be a no-brainer; the 7D produces very noticeable grain at 3200+ ISO, whereas the 6D has no problem at 12,800.
Also consider that if you get the 7D, you'll probably want a good general zoom like the 17-55 (27-88mm equivalent in 35 format) and those EF-S lenses will not fit on FF if you plan on upgrading later on. Therefore, my vote is for the 6D in combination with the Canon 24-105 (or Tamron 24-70 VC). You can get a like new/new 6D for around $1600 and a 24-105 for around $600 (or a 24-70 VC for around $1000). Then add a used 70-200 f/4 for around $500 and a 50 f/1.4 for around $300. You'd be set for low light and have 24-200 covered, all within your budget:
$1600 + $600 + $500 + $300 = $3000
...for $300 more you can add a 580EX II as well, or you can purchase a refurbished 600EX-RT (when available) for ~$400 after taxes/shipping. But honestly, unless you plan on shooting multiple flashes without line of sight, a 580 is your best bet.
Good luck!
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Even though you seem set on a 6D, you might consider a Canon refurb 5D Mark II for less money. The real improvement in AF the 6D has over the 5DII is better low-light sensitivity with the center point. Otherwise, the AF system is largely unchanged. The 5DII is a bigger, more robust body overall with ergonomic and feature advantages (flash sync speed, lens micro adjustment, faster shutter speed up to 1/8000, control dial and joystick vs. the jog wheel). The 6D has wireless transfer and GPS, yes, and better high ISO and shadow noise characteristics. The 5D Mark II has slightly higher resolution (hardly worth mentioning, but there it is). Sometimes the latest/greatest isn't necessary.
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would "poo" be more appropriate? either way, its quite horrible, if you sum up the internet regarding that topic. thats why im holding up for a 7d2, if there will be any news about it before october. otherwise, im going for 1d4, no questions askedmrsfotografie said:
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The 7D is good up to ISO 3200 with a little NR in post. I sold an image recently at that high ISO with no flash. It all depends on the ambient light.
Sure the 6D can focus in the dark, sure it performs better at high ISO. But let me ask you, are you taking pics of your kids in the dark? Prob not right? You prob will be down the park or in the back yard etc.
While it less than ideal the built in flash works pretty well in a pinch when you need a little fill. Also it doubles up as a master wireless flash transmitter. Now that has been extremely useful to me. It works really well indoors and outdoors is pretty good. A cheap way to get in to off camera flash.
I use a 7D, 17-55 and 430ex2 combo. Altogether that's about $2k. It's a very versatile setup. Money saved - buy a couple of fast primes like the Sigma 35 1.4 and a 85 1.8. (That gives you like a 50 and 135 combo right there on crop).
Alternatively you'd need a 6D, 24-105, and possibly 2x 600ex rt or one plus a trigger $3k. I personally think that's overkill. I've shot an entire wedding with my 7D bundle. No issues at all.
Btw 6D does have AMFA capability. Someone mentioned it didn't.
Sure the 6D can focus in the dark, sure it performs better at high ISO. But let me ask you, are you taking pics of your kids in the dark? Prob not right? You prob will be down the park or in the back yard etc.
While it less than ideal the built in flash works pretty well in a pinch when you need a little fill. Also it doubles up as a master wireless flash transmitter. Now that has been extremely useful to me. It works really well indoors and outdoors is pretty good. A cheap way to get in to off camera flash.
I use a 7D, 17-55 and 430ex2 combo. Altogether that's about $2k. It's a very versatile setup. Money saved - buy a couple of fast primes like the Sigma 35 1.4 and a 85 1.8. (That gives you like a 50 and 135 combo right there on crop).
Alternatively you'd need a 6D, 24-105, and possibly 2x 600ex rt or one plus a trigger $3k. I personally think that's overkill. I've shot an entire wedding with my 7D bundle. No issues at all.
Btw 6D does have AMFA capability. Someone mentioned it didn't.
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chas1113 said:
A refurbished 5DII costs $1495.32 from the Canon store. Add on taxes+shipping and you're looking at about the same for a like new/new 6D. The fact that the 5DII is a bigger camera can also be looked at as a con and ergonomic preference is relative...you'd have to actually try each out. The 6D being smaller also means that it is lighter, which is an advantage in my book. It also has better IQ despite having 0.9 less effective megapixels, and it DOES have AFMA capability. The difference in max shutter speed between the 6D and 5DII (1/4000s vs. 1/8000s, respectively) is negligible for most people. Same goes for the max sync speed (1/180s vs. 1/200s). As for the jog wheel vs. joystick debate, that is another matter of preference. Therefore, if given a choice between either for the same cost, you'd be silly to go for the 5DII unless you ABSOLUTELY needed those very minimal advantages, or maybe if video is a priority of yours.
http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-6D-vs-Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_II
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bleephotography said:
I agree. If your gonna by a FF body, the 6D is the smarter choice. I bought my 5D2 new just before the 6D was announced and it was going for a good price ($1470) and it's still under warranty. Then the 6D came out (lots of folk dissed it) and it was about $2k. Back then I woulda said yeah 5D2. However 6 months on and opinion has improved and price has gone down. Now's a good time to get the 6D, it's CR forum approved!
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whothafunk said:
Summing up the internet usually leads to strong or even extreme opinions. In the real world a camera that was good yesterday still isn't bad today
I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.
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mrsfotografie said:whothafunk said:
Summing up the internet usually leads to strong or even extreme opinions. In the real world a camera that was good yesterday still isn't bad today
I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.
Have any of you nay sayers actually used a 7D??
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Zv said:mrsfotografie said:whothafunk said:
Summing up the internet usually leads to strong or even extreme opinions. In the real world a camera that was good yesterday still isn't bad today
I agree with Zv, with a little care the 7D can be good up to ISO 3200.
Have any of you nay sayers actually used a 7D??
Yes, as you can see in my signature. I'm very happy with the 7D and 5D MkII combo. The 7D is surprisingly good even at high iso's although the 5DII is obviously my camera of choice when the light gets dim. Such is the luxury of owning both these bodies, as you know
Attached file is an example of really challenging lighting conditions with the 7D at iso 3200. Sharpness could be better but this was taken with my old 70-200 f/2.8 IS at f/4.
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A major step..and one full of promise. Going full frame for family photos and 4x6 prints is probably overkill with the
capabilities of today's cameras, but nevertheless, enjoy it. The 24-105 kit lens is a good choice given it's discounts with the package. Buy it, even if you turn around and sell it quickly. Keep the 50 1.8 and sell the
55-250 since you can't use IS lenses on a full frame camera (Canon could take a lesson from Nikon here as its crop lenses work on its full frame bodies even if in a somewhat degraded mode). I agree with the 430 recommendation for a flash since most of the 600 "improvements" are for multi-flash setups and you can use the
430 as a remote if you later decide you need the 600 or its replacement. So you've got the new 6, a 50 and a
24-105, what to get next. Nothing! Learn to use what you have and see what you need next. And while you
wait Canon keeps coming out with new lenses. The 70-200 (probably the f4.0is is a likely option but I'd experience a little before deciding. Good luck.
capabilities of today's cameras, but nevertheless, enjoy it. The 24-105 kit lens is a good choice given it's discounts with the package. Buy it, even if you turn around and sell it quickly. Keep the 50 1.8 and sell the
55-250 since you can't use IS lenses on a full frame camera (Canon could take a lesson from Nikon here as its crop lenses work on its full frame bodies even if in a somewhat degraded mode). I agree with the 430 recommendation for a flash since most of the 600 "improvements" are for multi-flash setups and you can use the
430 as a remote if you later decide you need the 600 or its replacement. So you've got the new 6, a 50 and a
24-105, what to get next. Nothing! Learn to use what you have and see what you need next. And while you
wait Canon keeps coming out with new lenses. The 70-200 (probably the f4.0is is a likely option but I'd experience a little before deciding. Good luck.
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regards to the above post - obviously is lenses can be used. I had meant the ef-s crop body lenses which will
be no good with the 6d.
be no good with the 6d.
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