Neutral said:Comparison now available on DPR.
Tells for itself, no comments required
Mt Spokane Photography said:The noise figures are truly excellent, I'm surprised, to be truthful.
They are apparently downsized to some common denominator though. Those who buy a 42 mp camera and then downsize the image to 18mp will see little difference.
However, if you are buying the high mp to sharply crop the image and think you will have high ISO detail, you might think there is more noise.
You need to align your expectations with reality. Per pixel, there is more noise, but if you reduce it to a smaller size, its almost the same. So, don't crop high ISO images and you will be fine. The 7D MK II is a hair more noisy for 1/3 the price.
These are all at ISO 12800.
Sony A7R II:
Canon 1D X:
Canon 7D MK II
Mt Spokane Photography said:The noise figures are truly excellent, I'm surprised, to be truthful.
They are apparently downsized to some common denominator though. Those who buy a 42 mp camera and then downsize the image to 18mp will see little difference.
However, if you are buying the high mp to sharply crop the image and think you will have high ISO detail, you might think there is more noise.
You need to align your expectations with reality. Per pixel, there is more noise, but if you reduce it to a smaller size, its almost the same. So, don't crop high ISO images and you will be fine. The 7D MK II is a hair more noisy for 1/3 the price.
These are all at ISO 12800.
YellowJersey said:Mt Spokane Photography said:The noise figures are truly excellent, I'm surprised, to be truthful.
They are apparently downsized to some common denominator though. Those who buy a 42 mp camera and then downsize the image to 18mp will see little difference.
However, if you are buying the high mp to sharply crop the image and think you will have high ISO detail, you might think there is more noise.
You need to align your expectations with reality. Per pixel, there is more noise, but if you reduce it to a smaller size, its almost the same. So, don't crop high ISO images and you will be fine. The 7D MK II is a hair more noisy for 1/3 the price.
These are all at ISO 12800.
I know you've been rather critical of the 36mp sensor (not damning, but more pointing out it's not perfect), so to hear this coming from you is really a huge point in the A7RII's favour. This uncompressed RAW news is also encouraging, though I'd like them to clarify whether they mean truly uncompressed or lossless compressed. Totally uncompressed files might be a bit of a headache for memory card storage, clearing the buffer, processing on more modestly powered computers, and even harddrive storage, but it is encouraging nonetheless.
These results even seem encouraging for using the A7RII for astro work, which boggles my mind since you'd think such a huge MP count would be unusable at 6400 ISO. As someone who can't afford multiple cameras and does landscape and astro shooting, the A7RII looks like it could be great, perhaps even the best, option. I'll wait a while to see how things develop before I really make up my mind, though. It's not like I can afford a new camera anyway.
Ultimately, I'm pretty impressed with the A7RII. I may very well go this route (or another A7 camera) when it comes time to buy a new camera in a few years. Ok, 5DmkIV, don't disappoint.
What interesting times in which we live.
Mt Spokane Photography said:The noise figures are truly excellent, I'm surprised, to be truthful.
They are apparently downsized to some common denominator though. Those who buy a 42 mp camera and then downsize the image to 18mp will see little difference.
However, if you are buying the high mp to sharply crop the image and think you will have high ISO detail, you might think there is more noise.
sdsr said:Mt Spokane Photography said:The noise figures are truly excellent, I'm surprised, to be truthful.
They are apparently downsized to some common denominator though. Those who buy a 42 mp camera and then downsize the image to 18mp will see little difference.
However, if you are buying the high mp to sharply crop the image and think you will have high ISO detail, you might think there is more noise.
Quite so. It's also worth remembering that the good performance of the sensor is enhanced by the effect of the camera's IBIS when using lenses that don't have IS; the two together are rather impressive.
YellowJersey said:sdsr said:Mt Spokane Photography said:The noise figures are truly excellent, I'm surprised, to be truthful.
They are apparently downsized to some common denominator though. Those who buy a 42 mp camera and then downsize the image to 18mp will see little difference.
However, if you are buying the high mp to sharply crop the image and think you will have high ISO detail, you might think there is more noise.
Quite so. It's also worth remembering that the good performance of the sensor is enhanced by the effect of the camera's IBIS when using lenses that don't have IS; the two together are rather impressive.
And an IS lens and it gets even better, from what I hear.
bwud said:AFAIK there is no way to compare lens IS to IBIS; if you attach an IS lens, IBIS is unavailable. Hence its possible attaching said IS lens makes it even better merely because the lens is better all around.
sdsr said:bwud said:AFAIK there is no way to compare lens IS to IBIS; if you attach an IS lens, IBIS is unavailable. Hence its possible attaching said IS lens makes it even better merely because the lens is better all around.
You can perform such a comparison if you attach a Canon IS lens via updated Metabones IV: if you switch IS off on the lens, the IBIS automatically takes over; if you switch IS on, IBIS automatically turns off.
dmosk4 said:Hi,
I am considering buying either the Sony A7rII($2800) or the Canon 1DX($4000) via BestBuy.
What are the current thoughts.. Is the 1DX worth the additional $1200?
I plan to do sports, beach, and dog show photography...
dmosk4 said:Hi,
I am considering buying either the Sony A7rII($2800) or the Canon 1DX($4000) via BestBuy.
What are the current thoughts.. Is the 1DX worth the additional $1200?
I plan to do sports, beach, and dog show photography...
dmosk4 said:Hi,
I am considering buying either the Sony A7rII($2800) or the Canon 1DX($4000) via BestBuy.
What are the current thoughts.. Is the 1DX worth the additional $1200?
I plan to do sports, beach, and dog show photography...
Mt Spokane Photography said:dmosk4 said:Hi,
I am considering buying either the Sony A7rII($2800) or the Canon 1DX($4000) via BestBuy.
What are the current thoughts.. Is the 1DX worth the additional $1200?
I plan to do sports, beach, and dog show photography...
Don't forget, lenses will cost you multiple times the cost of a camera body, budget 5X the cost of a camera body for lenses to start.