How does Canon respond to the D800?

[torger]

I repeat this message now and then here -- up to ISO6400 small pixels performs well. Only at ISO12800 and above current tech requires large pixels to perform well. So if you don't feel the need to shoot at ISO12800 - ISO51200 you should not need to be worried about high pixel count. Canon also have the sRAW and mRAW formats so you can get reduced size RAW files when you don't want the bulk of the resolution.

My guess though is that 5D3 will be a slow/crippled 1DX, and compared to D800 have less resolution (20-22 MP), less advanced AF, higher fps (6-7), slightly better ISO performance but still no setting above ISO25600 to avoid competing with the 1DX.

 

[darkmatter2k12]

I am not sure we need something similar to Nikon d800. 21-24 mp is ok if coupled with excellent high iso performance. When i saw Nikon d800 sample images first reaction was - wow, its amazing. But carefully examining high iso images changed my mind. I think D800 is excellent for low ISO studio shots, but not as versatile as all-around camera (for wedding for example). It is slow considering frame rate. But if Canon 5d mark 2 replacement will be released with a same ugly auto focus i will jump to Nikon boat without any regret.

 

[Astro]

The difference in high ISO nosie is less than the difference in size so yes the 7D outperforms 5Dmk2, in this regard, per area unit.

you compare two different sensor generations.

im more interested in how a 22 MP FF sensor and a 36 MP FF senor of the SAME generation compare.

 

[Ivar]

I myself am currently pretty sensitive about the Canon's next step - this time any form of modesty is not going to do it for me. Nothing should feel like "holding back". It is not necessary to have an SLR for the sake of SLR, it must make a (photographic) statement.

 

[briansquibb]

Glass is still more important than the sensor. I think better glass is the way forward - the sensor technology is going to improve but I suspect in small steps over a period of time. I am not convinced that in normal shooting that a 1DX will be much better in practical terms (ie normal large prints) than a 1Ds3 or a 1d4. There may be some extra shots you can take in the extreme cases - but that is all.

Went shooting at the theatre last night. 5DII + 400f/2.8 @iso 1600 - fantastic quality. Would a 1DX or D800 improve things? I doubt it as I was shooting with the performers taking the full frame. AF on outer points worked well too (high contrast under theatre lights)

Only downside was that I came hom to find my PC broken (think it is the SSD failed). Good job all my data is backed up 8) 8) 8)

 

[Mr.Magic]

I don't know how Canon can respond to this camera without making a huge leap in in-camera IQ improvement.
Read and see here http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/ - the guy states NO Flash, no exposure compensation... Well, if the next gen DSLR are like this then ... my goodness ! Seems that there is a lot of automatic adjustments the D800 does to improve/compensate for any high ISO noise. Yes, there will be noise but heck, the 5D2 crowd has been putting up with it quite well up till now.
Let's just hope Canon as a big camera manufacturer does not disappoint with the bells and whistles - there appears to be a lot more to digital imaging nowadays than just MP, AF points and noise management. I hope there are DIGIC5 applications in camera that will at least match the D800's.

These results are amazing!
Whatever MP Canon includes in the new 5D, they also have to include:
- AF and exposure metering based on face recognition as in the D800 --> this is incredibly well working looking at the pictures mentioned in the link above, this without exposure compensation! I want this!
- 100% viewfinder
- include crop continuous shooting mode at higher fps
- dual card slot
- decent amount of cross type AF sensors, I don't care about the amount of non-cross type

All this is about a huge increase in useability, which I really highly value.
I never thought I was going to say this, but if they don't include many of these elements, I have to choose for the D800.

(Situation: still stuck with 350D, but with L lenses, rented the 5DII many times, so for me this year I'm choosing which new camera I'll have for the next 5 years)

 

[Canon-F1]

i am in no way interested in the D800.

but i think it´s a nice camera and im happy that it´s released.
especially with this price.

as many new DSLR buyers with no glass (and therfore not bound to a brand) will look at the D800 and say "WOW .... 36 MP " canon has to compete with that price.

 

[Canon-F1]

Read and see here http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/ - the guy states NO Flash, no exposure compensation...

i only hope the ugly "eye whitening" in his pictures is done in post and not in camera... lol.

 

[briansquibb]

This is turning out to be a grass is greener fest.

Just ask - do you need a new camera before Canon announce their new models


Face recognition metering - gimic, nice gimic but that is all

 

[Ricku]

Face recognition metering - gimic, nice gimic but that is all

Gimic? It can be a very usefull tool for extreme situations where light changes rapidly between shots.

I have just seen / read a first impression on this so called "gimic". Looks like a very nice feature to have.
http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/

Are you perhaps one of the many who called live view a gimic, when it was introduced?

 

[nicku]

Regarding the response from canon....


I said in the past and I'll say it again; the 1D4 have 16MP using a APS-H sensor. Upgrade that APS-H sensor to FF and you will get around 27MP on a full frame sensor. If the new 5D will have a 28MP sensor and 1D4 high ISO performance than will ''destroy'' the Nikon D800.

 

[pedro]

Way to go. But would this include the new sensor technology they applied with the 1Dx? I am not a tech. Or is the new sensor beyond that price range, as a league of its own? Would be a great cam ISO wise! Price tag? +/- $ 3000?

 

[K-amps]

All I can say is it's going to be a long three weeks...

+1 Verrry long !

 

[Randl]

I think 5D series are studio cameras(e.g. no fast AF). The most important thing should be tonal range and DD. After that - MP. Less important things are AF, video and ISO. No AA filter(maybe optional) would be nice too.

From the other hand, I expect one more FF model (3D or 6D). Budget camera, 40+ MP monster or something else.

 

[K-amps]

Glass is still more important than the sensor. I think better glass is the way forward - the sensor technology is going to improve but I suspect in small steps over a period of time. I am not convinced that in normal shooting that a 1DX will be much better in practical terms (ie normal large prints) than a 1Ds3 or a 1d4. There may be some extra shots you can take in the extreme cases - but that is all.

Went shooting at the theatre last night. 5DII + 400f/2.8 @iso 1600 - fantastic quality. Would a 1DX or D800 improve things? I doubt it as I was shooting with the performers taking the full frame. AF on outer points worked well too (high contrast under theatre lights)

Only downside was that I came hom to find my PC broken (think it is the SSD failed). Good job all my data is backed up 8) 8) 8)

+1 to you .... thanks for reminding me. xxx GB's being backed up as we speak.

 

[Mr.Magic]

Face recognition metering - gimic, nice gimic but that is all

It is not a gimmick. It could be a useful feature, and not just a "consumer" or "prosumer" one either. Many wedding photographers will be thrilled to have this.

It's an extremely usefull feature, excellent for outdoor portraits, wedding photography, etc.
If you look at the results Cliff Matuner reached with it (http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/), it's really awesome, getting this without exposure compensation.

All I can say is it's going to be a long three weeks...

+1 Verrry long !

Way too long! The announcement later this month is still just a rumour, as long as we don't see any invitations for events or any leaked pictures, the announcement will not be there soon I think..

 

[Axilrod]

First off, I don't think Canon is going to be responding to anything. They are likely not surprised and have known about what the D800 was going to be long before we did. But they are probably planning to release a high MP DSLR in the coming year anyway regardless of what the D800 turned out to be. I don't think Canon is jumping to their feet trying to figure out what to do about a 36mp SLR ......

Even though 30+mp doesn't appeal to me in the slightest I recognize that some people need or want it.

I agree completely, it's funny how some people on the forum think that they know something that a multi-billion dollar, international corporation doesn't know.

And I agree about some people wanting 30+ megapixels, it's the same type of people that lift their trucks 2 feet and put 4 foot tires on it.......it's not going to make your Wang bigger no matter how many megapixels it is.

 

[briansquibb]

Face recognition metering - gimic, nice gimic but that is all

Are you perhaps one of the many who called live view a gimic, when it was introduced?

The was a very unnecessary and unfounded personal comment. To have your view of face recognition is fine but to try to smear me is not.

I find liveview very useful if you want to know.

With face recongnition I have worked out how to place the AF point on a face - and that is where the metering is done, varying light conditions or not. So I wont be going to Nikon because my 1D4 is missing this 'vital' function.

 

[briansquibb]

It's an extremely usefull feature, excellent for outdoor portraits, wedding photography, etc.
If you look at the results Cliff Matuner reached with it (http://cliffmautner.typepad.com/), it's really awesome, getting this without exposure compensation.

I am mystified why you think that face recognition is vital to take pictures like this without exposure compensation

 

[ghstark]

5D MK3 just need improved AF,Twin CF Card Slots and better DR that would do it for me,Who need 36mp? My 5D Mk2 still takes Great Images and the Nikon D800 will not change that.