How long until the next FF body? Or buy now?
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Eh, I think that's looking at it the wrong way. While it is the cheaper option, it's still a $1000+ camera, and Canon doesnt refresh those as frequently. I think we're definitely a year out from a new 6D, and the 5dIV will probably come before it.dgatwood said:
Either way, we are definitely a full year from having a <$1500 full-frame camera that isnt the 6D...so, unless you are fine waiting that long, I'd say 6D is the way to go.
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If you can wait 6 months...Buy the next 5D Mark IV. If you cant wait and need a new FF right away... Buy either a new 5D Mark III from B&H or Adorama, and then consider selling it for probably around $2000 when the new release comes out, or buy a good used one on eBay right now for around $2400.00. Look around, there are good deals available.
Another excellent alternative is to go buy a used 5D Mark II. You can get them fairly cheap, it is a great camera with a lot of bells and whistles, and you will likely get all your money back on it if you can get it cheap. I have two 5 D Mark III's right now, and previously had two 5D Mark II's. I know both models very well.
But the LAST thing you do is to go buy a 6D. There is nothing wrong with the sensor..., but the camera simply does not have the functions you want from a modern camera, and when you try sell it after you have realized your major error, you will struggle to sell it for a half decent price.
The 6D is definitely NOT a Pro camera, and not even a semi-Pro. It is nothing more than an entry level FF camera. Most people I know that have them, want to get rid of them.
Another excellent alternative is to go buy a used 5D Mark II. You can get them fairly cheap, it is a great camera with a lot of bells and whistles, and you will likely get all your money back on it if you can get it cheap. I have two 5 D Mark III's right now, and previously had two 5D Mark II's. I know both models very well.
But the LAST thing you do is to go buy a 6D. There is nothing wrong with the sensor..., but the camera simply does not have the functions you want from a modern camera, and when you try sell it after you have realized your major error, you will struggle to sell it for a half decent price.
The 6D is definitely NOT a Pro camera, and not even a semi-Pro. It is nothing more than an entry level FF camera. Most people I know that have them, want to get rid of them.
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racebit said:
When did you dream this? The 5Diii will for sure be replaced before the summer of 2015. The 5Diii's rival was the Nikon D800, and they have already released their next release = the D810. Canon wont stay behind. Expect the announcement by end of February 2015, to be available end of March, early April 2015.
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dgatwood said:
The 6d isn't supposed to be Canon's flagship or technological marvel. It is supposed to generate profit and keep switching people to Nikon if they cannot/don't want to pay €2600 for a ff camera. And looking at the parts and the 5d2 inheritance, the 6d is cheap to produce and still sells for a lot of €€€ at least where I live. This is the "external" side.
But Canon's "internal" side is always protecting their lineup to "upsell" customers. This means until there is an improved 5d4 around, they won't give the 6d a better af system as this is the main difference. If they would have wanted to be the 6d a more complete camera, they would have done it in the first place, even being under time pressure to defend against the d600 release back then... at least that's my estimation.
jvandermerwe said:
What's pro, what isn't? It can produce top-notch iq and people are shooting for money with the 6d, so it's a pro camera in my book. Unfortunately, it's also a very weak camera with an extremely mediocre core feature set for the year 2015 a.d.
One valid though for people buying new gear is: €3000+ 5d3 and less (or worse) lenses or a €1500 6d with better lens(es)? This isn't so easy and depends on what you shoot if you care about €1500 more or less.
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It's not just things that move that benefit from the 5D3 61 point AF array...shooting portraits with a shallow DOF is a breeze with the 5D3 with the 61 point AF array with up to 41 cross-type AF sensors available (depending on the maximum aperture of the lens mounted on the camera). This is more AF points than any other FF EOS camera except the 1D-X. And surpassed by the APS-C 7DII. Being able to drop an AF point right on the subject's eye without focus/re-composing is brilliant. This is not an option with 5D2 or 6D, and the main reason I've eBay'd my otherwise brilliant little travel camera, the SL1/100D. Once you've worked with 45 or 61 AF points, it's a frustration working with anything less.Zv said:
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You should buy now.
Reading internet forums like this, you might think that the next camera will be lightyears ahead of what's available now. With high expectations like this, it's no wonder that the internet crowd is disappointed every time a new camera comes out. Case in point the 7D2.
In reality, CMOS technology has matured. While manufacturers like Canon are still able to produce marginal improvements, step-changes like 10D-20D and 30D-40D are a thing of the past. I'm sure the 6D2 and 5D4 will create disappointment in the internet forums. I'm also quite sure that they'll be awesome cameras, just like their predecessors. And I'm also quite sure you'll have a hard time, looking at screen images or prints, telling which camera a certain image came from.
Reading internet forums like this, you might think that the next camera will be lightyears ahead of what's available now. With high expectations like this, it's no wonder that the internet crowd is disappointed every time a new camera comes out. Case in point the 7D2.
In reality, CMOS technology has matured. While manufacturers like Canon are still able to produce marginal improvements, step-changes like 10D-20D and 30D-40D are a thing of the past. I'm sure the 6D2 and 5D4 will create disappointment in the internet forums. I'm also quite sure that they'll be awesome cameras, just like their predecessors. And I'm also quite sure you'll have a hard time, looking at screen images or prints, telling which camera a certain image came from.
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Thank you all for your help!
Judging by your replies and everything else I've read, I don't think it's wise to jump the Canon wagon right now. There are too many uncertainties there. I don't feel like investing in lenses and accessories, based on guesses and hopes.
Canon, like every other company, make money and they'll do whatever's best for them, not for me.
So, I'm going to wait until the end of December and if there are still no FF news coming from Canon, I'll go with Nikon D750 and 24-70. It's out of the question to wait another 6 months or more to find out IF their majesty, Canon are going to do something. Not just because I'm impatient - simply because life is too short to be wasted on blind expectations.
Cheers!
Judging by your replies and everything else I've read, I don't think it's wise to jump the Canon wagon right now. There are too many uncertainties there. I don't feel like investing in lenses and accessories, based on guesses and hopes.
Canon, like every other company, make money and they'll do whatever's best for them, not for me.
So, I'm going to wait until the end of December and if there are still no FF news coming from Canon, I'll go with Nikon D750 and 24-70. It's out of the question to wait another 6 months or more to find out IF their majesty, Canon are going to do something. Not just because I'm impatient - simply because life is too short to be wasted on blind expectations.
Cheers!
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Skulls said:
If I was you (this is my own honest opinion) I would focus on what im going to be shooting and what I want my pictures to look like, any camera today will give you top notch image quality so forget the camera. what you want is to focus on your lens options, if you want more options to focal range get a canon. now if you want to shoot fast things get the 5D3 if your skills are not sharp, (but if it is, a 6D will do the same thing,) it will be more forgiving with moving things, for your lens choices you will already be in the place to get the right glass that fills your field of view. When your ready to sell the 5D3 will hold better value.
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Skulls said:
"Investing" isn't smart with any brand as you're bound to lose a lot of €€€. It's pure consumption unless you're a pro making money with the gear.
Skulls said:
The d750 seems to be a terrific camera and thus a good choice. Note that brands isn't all about sensors and release dates, a lot of people go Canon for the good ergonomics and cps service.
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Hello,
I would buy now. based on personal experience. I had a 10D for 7 years (from 2005 to 2012). I took very good pictures with it and it was overall a good camera, BUT when I upgraded to the 5D Mark II I realized that I could had bought it much earlier. Why? Because the upgrade was huge. Ony the possibility to shoot at ISO higher than 400 was worth it. Imagine the possibilities that opened up for me... amazing it was the change.
Although I do not see the point in buying a camera every year and just after its announcement, I will not wait again 7 years to buy the next model. I have had the 5DII for almost 3 years now and I thinking to upgade within a year depending on price and announcements. maybe 6D + 7D mark II (I am developing my wildlife photography) or 5D mark III. Or whatever comes next.
Think about that if you keep on waiting you can always wait for the next model, as the technology goes and goes and goes.
Hope it helps
Victor
I would buy now. based on personal experience. I had a 10D for 7 years (from 2005 to 2012). I took very good pictures with it and it was overall a good camera, BUT when I upgraded to the 5D Mark II I realized that I could had bought it much earlier. Why? Because the upgrade was huge. Ony the possibility to shoot at ISO higher than 400 was worth it. Imagine the possibilities that opened up for me... amazing it was the change.
Although I do not see the point in buying a camera every year and just after its announcement, I will not wait again 7 years to buy the next model. I have had the 5DII for almost 3 years now and I thinking to upgade within a year depending on price and announcements. maybe 6D + 7D mark II (I am developing my wildlife photography) or 5D mark III. Or whatever comes next.
Think about that if you keep on waiting you can always wait for the next model, as the technology goes and goes and goes.
Hope it helps
Victor
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Marsu42 said:
It also depends upon available lenses. For example, I have become attached to my 24 IS, and could not buy an equivalent to fit a Nikon or Sony, apart from switching to a zoom. That means that there is no point considering a brand switch, for me. It all depends which manufacture makes the best combination of bodies/lenses/accessories for your purposes and personal preference.
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I would not wait for a new body to arrive for you, unless you have several CR2's on here or even a CR3 pointing to an announcement not far from now.
Buy the body you can get now or you'll never get a body, because when the 5DIV is out, most will complain about the price, everyone is going to wait for it to come down and then, the 6DII will appear...
round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows...
Buy the body you can get now or you'll never get a body, because when the 5DIV is out, most will complain about the price, everyone is going to wait for it to come down and then, the 6DII will appear...
round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows...
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e17paul said:
Hmmyes, that's indeed a new one. But as far as I see it, the "usual suspects" lenses are available for most mounts, from the original brand or 3rd party. Canon has the ts-e lenses and some nice pro gear like the ubiquitous 70-200L/2.8.
But on the bottom realm of the food chain, I don't see anything unique about Canon - except for their IS primes, so thanks for pointing this out. Question how many stills shooters are really desperate for IS on a prime, and for the video crowd a Canon dslr isn't first choice anymore. My guess is most people want IS on their slower zoom and use a prime for movement in low light. Ymmv.
tayassu said:
... it stops when you've spend all your money :-o
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The only real downside with Canon right now is that they are marginally behind in sensor tech, but their overall system is superior to Nikon IMO (service, lenses, etc.).
The best piece of advice I've heard is that you buy your camera for your lenses. Not the other way around.
The best piece of advice I've heard is that you buy your camera for your lenses. Not the other way around.
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dilbert said:
I'd love to know how someone can generate such statistics. I mean, you can't correlate sales figures, because you have no idea whether people are buying a body to replace an existing one or buying one fresh. And you can't even assume that people who buy one with a kit lens are new buyers, because they might turn around and sell the lens on eBay at more than the difference in price between the kit and the body-only price, or they might be buying the kit lens to have as a "beater" lens for when they go to the beach or whatever.
Also, even assuming the whole "people don't upgrade" thing is true for entry-level bodies, the main reason for that is because lots of people buy them, try them, conclude that they can't deal with the size and bulk, and go back to shooting photos with their cell phones. That doesn't mean that someone who actually plans to shoot for more than a week with a DSLR shouldn't choose a camera based on what lenses are available.
Also, to the extent that the "never upgrade" thing is true, it means that the manufacturers need to improve their kit lenses, because a lot of folks won't upgrade, and will be daunted by the low-quality images that they get compare with what they were expecting. This leads to people giving up before they find a reason to buy a better lens.
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dgatwood said:
It could also be said that by creating a really good kit lens that performs exceptionally it might dissuade people from upgrading or purchasing a second lens. I think the IQ of the kit lenses available now is already pretty good.
I'll add that I thought the 18-55 kit lens (the older version without STM) was the best thing since sliced bread .... Until I bought the plastic fantastic 50mm f/1.8, that blew me away and was almost certainly the gateway lens for my gear lust! That's smart marketing from Canon! IQ improves but then you thirst for AF speed, and so the endless cycle continues! Hahaha!
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